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Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:17 am

Delta Air Lines has become the US launch customer for Boeing’s 777-200LR.

The US major confirms that the carrier will take delivery of two General Electric GE90-powered ultra long range widebodies in early 2008. The two -200LRs are converted from a 777-200ER order previously placed with Boeing...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...US+launch+customer+for+Boeing.html
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:33 am

Great pair for Delta but where will they use them, which ocean will they cross? Atlanta nonstop to South Africa could be a path to blaze with them.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:40 am

Finally, an "official" press statement for all those who wouldn't believe multiple statements by the COO and acknowledgement of the order in other press releases  biggrin 

I'll have to try to get on the first long-haul revenue flight and experience the new lie-flat suites...I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD  crossfingers  though I know other routes are more likely first.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:42 am

Well at least we can finally put this argument to rest.... (except for those people that won't believe that this is an actual press release.)

(That was in reference to something someone said in the posts about the lie-flat BizEliete seats.)
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Great pair for Delta but where will they use them, which ocean will they cross?

The first route they will likely fly is JFK-BOM, since it will be weight restricted using an ER.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:59 am

Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:01 am

I agree with Delta787. Since the flight operation will require two aircraft (unless it operates less than daily), the pair of aircraft will be put there.

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD though I know other routes are more likely first.

I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:06 am

Congrats to Delta and Boeing!
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:07 am

Only two?? Sounds like to me these birds will only fly one route whatever that may be.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:07 am

cool,

I have to say that the 777 200LR is my favourite Boeing plane...never been on one, but hope to some day.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD

that would be amazing...what a 20+ hours trip???..sign me up!!!.man I would love to be on that flight!!

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

The 777LR does have the range for atleast ATL-SYD, but JFK-SYD was like right on the edge of range if I recall correctly.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.

- I have to agree.

These are very expensive planes, were they put on the BOM route, will that provide the return to justify the aircraft? - I question that.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:34 am

Remember that DL still has 3 other 777 firm orders for delivery in early 2009 plus 2 options so it is very likely that there will be at least 5 LRs and possibly 7.

DL is selling the full capacity of the 777ER in/out of BOM so they are not planning on passenger payload restrictions. There may be limits on cargo but it always makes sense for a passenger airline to carry passengers rather than cargo.

DL does have some aggressive growth plans for long and ultra longhaul aircraft from ATL, JFK, and LAX to Asia and from ATL and JFK to Africa and the Middle East. The real question is how many LRs DL will take now which will determine how many routes it starts using them vs. waiting for the 787 which will be smaller, more fuel efficient, and better suited for developing new markets. There are markets where the LR is the only plane that will work but there are a lot more than could work easily with a 787, making it worth waiting a year or two for them to be delivered. (and it is almost certain that DL will order the 787).
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 12):
These are very expensive planes, were they put on the BOM route, will that provide the return to justify the aircraft? - I question that.

They can't run a uniquely 777LR route with only 2. If one breaks, you have no substitute aircraft to maintain the daily flight.

JFK-BOM, you can substitute a 777ER in a pinch. Either this, or they will order more LRs. One or the other!
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.

It's only 2, and their new.
DL has quite a bit of experience with GE engines.
DL just scaled down from something like 16 different aircraft types (and some of those types had more than one engine type) to just 10 now.

I'm sure that they can handle 4 engines.... after all DL currently has 1,216 engines in service and I have no idea how many spares.

Worst case scenario couldn't DL outsource this maintenance work to AM?
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:46 am

Where the first one goes is going to depend on loads and profitability on the new routes. My money is on JFK-BOM as some have said earlier with JNB to follow. However, I believe there is a long-term goal here of an East Coast US to mainland China and even Hong Kong. The next stage for DL is Asia with the most likely candidates being Beijing, Hong Kong, Sydney then Kuala Lumpur I believe.

In any respect glad to see it.

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:52 am

Someone mentioned on another post that this is just the first order. They are only switching a previous order for 772ers to 777LRs. As they are still reorganizing they are not allowed to make new aircraft orders, so most likely they will order more frames once they are out of bankruptcy. Obviously 2 planes is not a very efficient fleet for an airline DL's size to maintain.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:06 am

It is entirely possible that DL could change its China route request to Shanghai if AA or UA gets PEK. Only if CO gets PVG would DL’s PEK route still make sense. If DL goes for PVG, the LR makes more sense although an ER could do it.

What DL does with LRs will be somewhat answered by DL’s route announcements in the next few weeks (possibly hours) that could involve some 777s. If DL fully deploys its existing ER fleet by next summer, then additional LRs are very likely since DL would have to have more 777s in order to start China and then do any other growth beyond that.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:20 am

Well the next few months' performance should be indicative of whether the LR is still needed on JFK-BOM. If the 772ER performs fine on the westbound run with a full load of passengers (and looking at the advance bookings, there will be many days of 90-100% loads in the next few months), you may see the 772ER continuing to ply JFK-BOM as any incremental cargo that an LR may allow DL to carry may not be worth it, especially if there are other route opportunities that would truly require the LR.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:19 am

And if JFKBOM does well, it's entirely possible DL could do ATLBOM which would require an LR, providing the ability to carry cargo.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

ATL-SYD is 8068nm and JFK-SYD is 8646nm, both well below Boeing's stated still-air range of 9410nm. Granted, allowance has to be made for winds, weather, etc., but Boeing lists both JFK-SIN (200nm farther than ATL-SYD) and ORD-SYD (just 40nm shorter) as "typical city pairs".

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.

Seems unnecessary as long as the JFK-BOM can make it both ways nonstop with a full load, which it appears DL is selling. It will really come down to what is most important first; I can see a use for at least 10 772LRs for DL in the 2008-2010 time frame. For now all DL will do in bankruptcy is convert their existing orders; delivery schedules for any new orders will depend on what's open in Boeing's build schedule as of early next year.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 21):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.

Seems unnecessary as long as the JFK-BOM can make it both ways nonstop with a full load, which it appears DL is selling. It will really come down to what is most important first; I can see a use for at least 10 772LRs for DL in the 2008-2010 time frame. For now all DL will do in bankruptcy is convert their existing orders; delivery schedules for any new orders will depend on what's open in Boeing's build schedule as of early next year.

Thing is, if DL gets the China rights that they want, they'll already be fully maxed out on 777's if the rumors of them adding ICN/DXB come true. In that case, they'll have to shift the 777ER's used on JFK-BOM to ATL-PEK in order to have the aircraft availability (they would be replaced by the 777LR). Of course, they could always go for PVG instead of PEK, on which they could then use the 777LR if they were to go that way.

Thanks for the info on ATL-SYD. If it is sustainable year-round, I could see them go for that with some of their first 777LR's.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:11 am

I believe SQ said they would be getting rid of some of its non-ER 777s in the next couple years and I expect they are in very good shape. Not sure where they are going.

And while DL might not take any PW powered 777s, they might end up with them when they acquire Pan Am - I mean United's transpacific routes in a couple years.  Smile

Also, DL's bankruptcy documents show that Comair and GE owed each other money as of the date of DL/OH's bankruptcy filing. The parties recently settled, leaving Comair with a credit from GE worth about $8 million. The credit can be transferred to Delta who might have just paid for the 1st GE90 for its first LR.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
There may be limits on cargo but it always makes sense for a passenger airline to carry passengers rather than cargo.

I actually don't agree... depends on the cargo.

Quoting Willyj (Reply 17):
As they are still reorganizing they are not allowed to make new aircraft order

I don't see any reason why not. Every other bankrupt carrier has ordered something or other.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 21):
ATL-SYD is 8068nm and JFK-SYD is 8646nm, both well below Boeing's stated still-air range of 9410nm

That range of 9410nm is with 3 tanks. I don't think they'll order 3 tanks.

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:22 am

I really hope that mood lighting on the new aircraft. I once saw a photo of a demo aircraft with mood lighting. BTW, isn't mood lighting being installed on AC's 777-200LRs?
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 23):
I believe SQ said they would be getting rid of some of its non-ER 777s in the next couple years and I expect they are in very good shape.

All of SQ's 777-200s are the ER model.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
What DL does with LRs will be somewhat answered by DL's route announcements in the next few weeks (possibly hours) that could involve some 777s. If DL fully deploys its existing ER fleet by next summer, then additional LRs are very likely since DL would have to have more 777s in order to start China and then do any other growth beyond that.

I'm glad this has reached the "firming" stage since I was getting sick and tired of Delta Naysayers saying; "The 772LR is much to costly for DL!" Well enough of that bulls#@$!
I agree that China will get priority along with ATL-JNB service that is due to start in early December. I for one think DL made a huge mistake back in the early 1990s by not going with the 777, instead opting for the MD-11, but now by choosing to be the launch customer for the 772LR in the USA they can take the international connections they are seeking as part of their reorganization plan to new heights.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:47 am

your right... several Asian carriers (along w/ others) have nonER 772s but SQ was not one of them....thought I had seen that....thanks

of course the highest value cargo can be worth taking over passengers but generally passenger carriers do not get enough of that cargo... and passenger airline economics are built around carrying passengers, not cargo. If you can show me a route with profitability statistics showing that a passenger airline has lower than region to region average loads for a flight but the route is profitable based on cargo, I'll believe it. But I don't think you can.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 10):

I have to say that the 777 200LR is my favourite Boeing plane...never been on one, but hope to some day.

damn right..the -200LR ROCKS.. bigthumbsup 


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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD though I know other routes are more likely first.

I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

JFK-SYD = 8646 nm

777LR Range= 9,420 nautical miles
(17,446 km)

Typical city pairs:
New York-Singapore
Perth-London
New York-Auckland
Chicago-Sydney
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(Approx. 19 hours)

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:27 am

I'm guessing 5LR's are comming online in 2008-2010. I guess Boeing gave DL some big discounts if they were the first US airline to order it. Also, as others have said DL has the right to convert these ER to LR orders.

What i'm really guessing is that DL converted 4 or 6 738 orders to 777 orders since you guys only show 2 ordered.

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:27 am

well, good news, coupled with the destinations announced tonight/tomorrow and the news three weeks from now and it's exciting times for Delta Air Lines!!

More to come....  Wink
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'll have to try to get on the first long-haul revenue flight and experience the new lie-flat suites...I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD though I know other routes are more likely first.

Why? You want Delta to stay in bankruptcy longer? US-Oz routes wont make money for Delta, for a number of reasons including the fact they have NO feed on the Oz end and SYD-ATL/JFK O&D/US connecting traffic is just not that large.

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 33):
US-Oz routes wont make money for Delta, for a number of reasons including the fact they have NO feed on the Oz end and SYD-ATL/JFK O&D/US connecting traffic is just not that large.

No? Tell that to QF who fly to JFK as well as all of the pax flying CO, US, DL, AA, NW, UA to LAX to connect to a QF/NZ/UA flight to the land down under....

also - DL signed a connection agreement with an airline in South Africa, what makes you think they cannot do the same in Australia?
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 33):
US-Oz routes wont make money for Delta, for a number of reasons including the fact they have NO feed on the Oz end and SYD-ATL/JFK O&D/US connecting traffic is just not that large.

If your statement were true Qantas would not be serving JFK, nor would Qantas be code-sharing with American Airlines to the East Coast.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 31):
I'm guessing 5LR's are comming online in 2008-2010. I guess Boeing gave DL some big discounts if they were the first US airline to order it. Also, as others have said DL has the right to convert these ER to LR orders.

My guess is that DL is getting the LR for the same price as they negotiated for the ER. With DL in BK, they could go to Boeing and cancel the orders entirely, or ask for new terms, and Boeing may have offered them the 772LR for the same price.

People are assuming they will use these planes for new super long routes, but they are more profitable to run on even medium long routes than the 772ER, as they can carry a full payload where the 772ER would be restricted.

Without the 3 belly tanks, the range is about 8500nm, so on a 6000nm route, that's one loaded plane.

While I'd love to see someone do NYC to SYD non-stop, I doubt DL is going to be the one to try it. And ATL-SYD is more likely, but still, if one jet goes tech, how does DL compensate? Run a 772ER via LAX for fuel until the other comes back online?
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:18 pm

When you stretch a network as far as DL does, there will be mechanical delays - but there are today on DL's network. When DL experiences a cancellation now, they set up an extra section as soon as possible after maintenance can be done.

However, the 777 has the highest mechanical dispatch reliability for widebody aircraft. And DL does have some wiggle room to cover cancelled flights with its schedules. Even with the new DXB and ICN flights, DL does have some ground time for the 777 fleet.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 23):
And while DL might not take any PW powered 777s, they might end up with them when they acquire Pan Am - I mean United's transpacific routes in a couple years.

Ha ha. That was a hilarious comment.
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:43 pm

I'm pretty much sure that the first LR's will be sent on an India sector, which will be a good thing!  Smile
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 34):
No? Tell that to QF who fly to JFK as well as all of the pax flying CO, US, DL, AA, NW, UA to LAX to connect to a QF/NZ/UA flight to the land down under....

also - DL signed a connection agreement with an airline in South Africa, what makes you think they cannot do the same in Australia?



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 35):
If your statement were true Qantas would not be serving JFK, nor would Qantas be code-sharing with American Airlines to the East Coast.

Now you are both being silly! While I could be wrong, it won't be for any of the reasons listed by either of you.

QF fly to JFK 5 times a week, load factors are apparently in the 45-50% range most of the time (according to cabin crew). It really only works because the B744 is sitting at LAX anyway, so LAX-JFK-LAX does not interfere with its return to Oz.

What pax flying from JFK to LAX/SFO to connect on CO, US, DL & NW??? Got any real numbers.

As far as a connection agreement in Oz goes, who with? In Oz we have the QF group & DJ, Thats it! DJ already is allied to UA, would they be happy for DJ to Allie with DL as well? If not there is NO ONE else.

QF code shares to just about everywhere AA serves out of LAX and wants to do more by code sharing out of DFW, which does NOT mean there is sufficient traffic to support a separate flight to JFK or anywhere else by another airline.

It's a numbers game, is there sufficient revenue to cover costs AND make MORE profit than any other available route??? I really doubt it. If JFK or anywhere else made sense non stop from Oz why has not QF already ordered B772LRs and done it? Because they think there is no or not enough profit in it! Now true DL cost/revenaue is going to be different to QFs, but enough to start a totally one off route to a part where most of the travelling public think Delta is a type of bus?

Anything is possible, but I really think that one is a verrrry long shot.

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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:37 pm

maybe those 777-200LR will fly to TLV
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:47 pm

Is the wording "launch" costumer correct?

Usually launch costumer means, that this costumer is among those airlines ordering the new product at the very beginning and by doing this, they help to launch the new aircraft and get it into production.

The 777-200LR has been launched for a while and I would say, that DL is simply the very first US costumer...
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting SR100 (Reply 42):
Is the wording "launch" costumer correct? The 777-200LR has been launched for a while and I would say, that DL is simply the very first US costumer...

That is why they used the term "US launch customer" - they are the first US operator to launch the plane.

And please, let's not turn this thread in a battle of semantics like the DL BusinessElite upgrade thread did...  Smile
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:57 pm

Atlanta to Sydney would be very interesting indeed. Delta seems to be headed for a sizeable fleet of new generation 777's.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:08 pm

Great! Can't wait to see the 772LR in DL colors  Smile
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 pm

Awesome! Wonder if the 777-200LR will be the same type of comeback-kid that its larger sibling has proven to be...
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:05 pm

Wonder if a new COlor Scheme will accompany the 777LRs.
 
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:15 pm

Would be curious to know where they will be deployed!
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RE: Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:35 pm

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I am sure the pilots of these aircraft are not too thrilled to see their pension fund that they worked for being taken away from them, and then the airline come out and buy new equipment.

Who is their right mind would want to work for this mob ?

Delta should not buy new equipment unless it first funds its employees pension. DL Pilots Only Group To Lose Pension (by Xflyer Oct 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)


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