amirs
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:17 pm

Some news surrounding S. Korea.
It seems LY will not get slots in Narita (Tokyo) so they plan on restarting flights to Seoul. The plan is to sign an agreement with one of the Korean Airlines to offer codeshare flights to the rest of the region. I think the flights will start, once they get some more metal.

Also, Korean is planning to start cargo flights to TLV.

BTW - I posted this in the past, but just to let some ppl know, LY will have to charter flights to Osaka next week.
The first one back will be to KIX - OVda.
 
LY777
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:22 pm

thanks for the news.Just a question, why KIX-VDA, and not KIX-TLV?And which a/c type will be used?
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cy319
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:57 pm

Is there any sufficient traffic between Israel and S.Korea??? I doubt it.
If Japan is the target market for this route through a codesharing with a Korean airline via ICN, why LY dont increase frequencies to PEK or HKG and then codeshare with CX or CA for the Japanese and other Far Eastern destinations??? I m pretty sure that existing traffic as well as future potentials from TLV to PEK and HKG will be much higher than the one to ICN.
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semsem
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:42 pm

Korean Air used to fly to TLV about 10 years ago but stopped.
 
LY777
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
Korean Air used to fly to TLV about 10 years ago but stopped.

with which a/c?
Flown:717,727,732,734,735,738,73W,742/744/748,752,762/2ER/763/3ER,772/77E/773/77W, 788, D8,D10,L1011, A3B2,A320,A321,A332,A343,A388
 
semsem
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:55 pm

They used B747 nonstop.
 
LY777
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747 pax or Freighter?
Flown:717,727,732,734,735,738,73W,742/744/748,752,762/2ER/763/3ER,772/77E/773/77W, 788, D8,D10,L1011, A3B2,A320,A321,A332,A343,A388
 
777way
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:41 am

When did LY serve Seoul? last I heard LY Cargo was operating there a kind of cargo code share with KE, I also think KE Cargo are already serving TLV with freighters operated by another airline becausew TLV flights ahve been on theri website for years.

KE passenger services used 744.
 
cy319
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Is there any sufficient pax traffic between Israel and S.Korea???
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andahuailas
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting CY319 (Reply 8):
Is there any sufficient pax traffic between Israel and S.Korea???

yes, Business , both ways, and korean catholic pilgrims to israel
KE flight to TLV used to be on 744
 
HeeseokKoo
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Korean is planning to start cargo flights to TLV.

Korean air already operates cargo flight to TLV. I don't know since when.. but it goes 2 times a week with 742F.
 
IAD380
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting CY319 (Reply 8):
Is there any sufficient pax traffic between Israel and S.Korea???

Yes. According to Israel's Ministry of Tourism, Israel attracts far more tourists from Korea than Japan. In addition, there is significant business traffic between Israel and South Korea.

Quoting CY319 (Reply 2):
I m pretty sure that existing traffic as well as future potentials from TLV to PEK and HKG will be much higher than the one to ICN.

Earlier this year, LY announced plans to increase its flights to HKG from three times a week to daily service. LY has already added a second flight to PEK.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
It seems LY will not get slots in Narita (Tokyo) so they plan on restarting flights to Seoul. The plan is to sign an agreement with one of the Korean Airlines to offer codeshare flights to the rest of the region. I think the flights will start, once they get some more metal.

So far, I have not seen this news reported in Globes, Haaretz, Ynetnews, or the Jerusalem Post. What is the source ofr this information? Do you know when these flights will begin, or how many times each week LY will fly to ICN? I assume the flights will be nonstop, and LY will fly this route with either a 767 or 777.
 
777way
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 10):
Korean air already operates cargo flight to TLV. I don't know since when.. but it goes 2 times a week with 742F.

Trure, this service is said to be operated by another airline, either some freight company or El Al cargo, but not KE aircraft.
 
HeeseokKoo
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
this service is said to be operated by another airline, either some freight company or El Al cargo, but not KE aircraft.

Oh I didn't know that. Oh I see. That is why this flight is 742F which are no more KE cargo's aircraft (or still one or two 742F left? I'm not sure..)
 
777way
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The 742F are most likely operated for KE by some Cargo airline or even LY Cargo aircraft on KE's behalf, like Atlas do Emirates to Taipei and some other places with 742F, the aircraft dont wear EK livery but they operate with EK code and are listed at their website schedule.
 
amirs
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Just a question, why KIX-VDA, and not KIX-TLV?And which a/c type will be used?

- The flights are chartered for a a Korean group, I think pilgrims. I guess they will start their tour of Israel in the south.
- the flights will be on 777's.

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
I also think KE Cargo are already serving TLV with freighters operated by another airline becausew TLV flights ahve been on theri website for years.



Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 10):
Korean air already operates cargo flight to TLV. I don't know since when.. but it goes 2 times a week with 742F

Actually its LY that offers the 2 x weekly cargo service on 742F. Its flights LY2775/2776 and LY2777/2778. I think they come from Almaty and fly back to TLV via HKG.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 11):
Earlier this year, LY announced plans to increase its flights to HKG from three times a week to daily service. LY has already added a second flight to PEK.

Hkg goes 4x weekly next month, they were suppose to go 5x in Februaury but now it is only showing 4x weekly to HKG this whole year. Maybe instead of the 5 X they prefer to start the ICN flights.
 
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mats
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:47 pm

I can't wait for El Al to join SkyTeam.

They already codeshare with Delta and Air France. It would be great to have them as part of the network.

The only problem I foresee would be antitrust problems for flights between the USA and Israel.
 
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Quoting Amirs (Reply 15):
Actually its LY that offers the 2 x weekly cargo service on 742F. Its flights LY2775/2776 and LY2777/2778. I think they come from Almaty and fly back to TLV via HKG.

Then are KE placing cargo on these flights? because their website shows twice weekly service with only KE flight code and numbers, or is Cargo 360 operating them for KE under ACMI.
 
7474ever
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:35 am

Hi Everyone ! This is my first post. The flights to KIX (2) will be flown by Sun D'Or Airlines (100% owned by El-Al) hence I'm not sure about the 777. The passengers most probably will be not koreans but japanese.  wave 
 
amirs
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Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 18):
Hi Everyone ! This is my first post. The flights to KIX (2) will be flown by Sun D'Or Airlines (100% owned by el-al) hence I'm not sure about the 777. The passengers most probably will be not koreans but japanese. alt="wave" border=0>

Welcome - Sun D'or uses LY a/c all the time - alla/c from 744 to the smallest 737. Any flight that is operated by LY as a chartered flight is called a sun d'or flight.
It definetly on a 777.

You are right it is Japanese, I meant to say Japanese. I got confused for a second, becaus ewe were discusssing ICN flights.
 
4xRuv
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Mats (Reply 16):
They already codeshare with Delta and Air France. It would be great to have them as part of the network.

On what routes does LY codeshare with AF? I know LY codeshare with LX, but I havn't heard of AF....
 
7474ever
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 19):
Welcome - Sun D'or uses LY a/c all the time - alla/c from 744 to the smallest 737. Any flight that is operated by LY as a chartered flight is called a sun d'or flight.
It definetly on a 777.

I know that very well, I work for them...  Wink
 
IAD380
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:28 am

Again, what is the source of the information that LY will start flights to ICN? How many times a week will they fly the route and what aircraft will they use? Are these nonstop flights?
 
7474ever
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 22):
Again, what is the source of the information that LY will start flights to ICN? How many times a week will they fly the route and what aircraft will they use? Are these nonstop flights?

I don't know where amir get this ino from. I work for LY, but I didn't hear about it. Let's not forget about the security issue as well...
 
IAD380
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 23):
Let's not forget about the security issue as well...

I asked this question because I have not read about LY flying to ICN anywhere else. Usually, Globes or other newspapers report when airlines add, suspend, or change flights to TLV. Also, LY posts its flight schedules on its website. Flight schedules and routes of airlines are usually considered public information.
 
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RE: New: LY To Seoul; Korean To TLV

Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Some news surrounding S. Korea.
It seems LY will not get slots in Narita (Tokyo) so they plan on restarting flights to Seoul. The plan is to sign an agreement with one of the Korean Airlines to offer codeshare flights to the rest of the region. I think the flights will start, once they get some more metal.

Also, Korean is planning to start cargo flights to TLV.

BTW - I posted this in the past, but just to let some ppl know, LY will have to charter flights to Osaka next week.
The first one back will be to KIX - OVda.

Could be these flights the first step to see LY joining Skyteam??
El dia que los gilipollas vuelen, no podremos ver la luz del sol!
 
4xRuv
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RE: New: LY To Seoul; Korean To TLV

Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 23):
I don't know where amir get this ino from. I work for LY, but I didn't hear about it. Let's not forget about the security issue as well...

I remember seeing it on the paper the other day (Yediot Ahronot)
 
amirs
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Mats (Reply 16):
They already codeshare with Delta and Air France

El AL does not codeshare with AF.
 
IAD380
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Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 25):
Could be these flights the first step to see LY joining Skyteam??

Why would LY join any alliance? What would be the advantage? LY has codeshare agreements with a variety of airlines that are in different alliances. For example, LY codeshares flights with IB of OneWorld, Delta of Skyteam, and SA, TG, and LX of Star Alliance. If LY joined one of these alliances, it would probably have to end beneficial codeshare arrangements with airlines that are members of the other two alliances.

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