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NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:44 pm

Since the last thread about this was deleted for some unknown reason....

Quote:
Northwest Airlines plans an expansion into Europe by adding two new destinations with daily nonstop flights from Metro Airport to Brussels, Belgium, and DuNsseldorf, Germany, and more flights to Amsterdam, Netherlands.

Detroit Free Press: Northwest Airlines to add DuNsseldorf, Brussels to routes

Quote:
Northwest Airlines Corp. is expanding its European service with new flights to Brussels, Belgium and Dusseldorf, Germany.

In addition, Northwest is offering the first and only nonstop service between Hartford, Conn., and Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Hartford will become the airline's 18th gateway to Europe through its Amsterdam hub, beginning July 1, 2007.

Bizjournals.com: Northwest expanding European service

Quote:
Northwest Airlines is expanding its European flight network with new service to Brussels, Belgium, and Dusseldorf, Germany.

The airline said Wednesday it will begin flights between Detroit and Brussels on May 7. Service from Detroit to Dusseldorf begins June 5.

Northwest also said that beginning July 1, it will begin offering nonstop service to Amsterdam from Hartford, Conn. It will be Hartford's only nonstop trans-Atlantic service.

Not in its international expansion plans: the Twin Cities. Northwest flies nonstop to London and Amsterdam from the Twin Cities, but none of the new flights will originate here. Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport officials want to see more international service here to serve business travelers.

Pioneer Press: NWA adds three U.S.-Europe routes Detroit and Hartford, not Twin Cities, will gain new flights (Sorry AF777atMSP)
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:21 pm

Yeah? What happend to the huge thread from yesterday?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:46 pm

yeah where is it gone!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:56 pm

I read this morning that the routes will be handled by 10 upgraded B757 aircraft.

The upgrades include 16 new seats with new IFE & computer ports in First, arranged in a two aisle configuration.

The article went on to describe the 144 coach class seats arranged in a three aisle configuration:

"Coach will be configured with three aisles and 144 seats with 4 in. of additional pitch."

Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

hahahah. Three Aisles in a 757 would mean no seats. Three-Aisle-three is what is meant.

By the way...with Y. Will there be any IFE. Some 757s had the in-seat headphone jack and there were the TVs. Or will people in Y get stuck with just the window. (I like the window...but at night...not too fun.)

[Edited 2006-10-12 15:00:38]
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:03 pm

I presumed they were wrong, but had to ask anyway.

The following came from the article I read regarding the First Class upgrade:

"The business class cabin will be reconfigured with two aisles and 16 new seats, providing passengers with portable on-demand IFE, 1.5 m. of personal space, a computer port and other amenities."

Thanks for the quick reply, by the way.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

It is NOT three aisle; thy reported as three-aisle-three implying 6-abreast seating!

I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:22 pm

Well we had a huge thread going on this yesterday that answered a lot of questions on the topic. Who knows why it was deleted anyways:

Summary:

NW Trans-Atlantic 757 Service to Begin Summer 2007:

DTW-DUS
DTW-BRU
DTW-AMS (additional 5th daily frequency)
BOS-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency)
BDL-AMS
EWR-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency alongside KLM service)

Upgrade 757 Fleet: up to 10 aircraft
Winglets
16 WBC seats - not the same seats as the 744/A330
Handheld IFE in WBC - not AVOD system
144 coach seats (removing 3 rows of coach, increasing seat pitch 3"-4"

Flight Schedule:
DTW-BRU: starts 5/7/07
Northwest Airlines 92
5:40pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
7:35am Arrive Brussels (BRU)

Northwest Airlines 91
10:00am Depart Brussels (BRU)
12:55pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

DTW-DUS: starts 6/5/07
Northwest Airlines 94
9:30pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
11:30am Arrive Dusseldorf (DUS)

Northwest Airlines 93
1:00pm Depart Dusseldorf (DUS)
4:00pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

BDL-AMS:
Northwest Airlines 98
5:45pm Depart Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)
6:45am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 97
1:30pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
3:30pm Arrive Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)

BOS-AMS (in addition to existing daily A330-300 flight) starts 7/15/07
Northwest Airlines 60
10:00pm Depart Boston (BOS)
11:00am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 59
8:10am Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
10:05am Arrive Boston (BOS)


DTW-AMS (in addition to existing 4 A330-300 flights) starts 6/1/07
*This flight did operates in summer 2004 as a DC-10
Northwest Airlines 36
10:00pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
11:55am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 35
12:55pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
3:45pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

EWR-AMS (in addition to KLM A330-200 flight)
Northwest Airlines 64
4:45pm Depart Newark (EWR)
6:10am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 63
8:15am Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
10:40am Arrive Newark (EWR)
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
Yeah? What happend to the huge thread from yesterday?

That's what I'd like to know!
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 6):
I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I had asked the same question in the now disappeared thread from yesterday. What happened to the thread and, more importantly, are the World Business Class seats the nice, new seats or the old style ones?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 6):
I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?

No they will be somewhat of a hybrid, but not lie flat from what I understand.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Or will people in Y get stuck with just the window. (I like the window...but at night...not too fun.)

The whole plane is getting a new interior on it, including coach seating, as for the details as to what it will have I don't know.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 8):

I think we all would like to know what happened to the thread. It kind of disappeared half hour after I posted.

Here is the link to the press release from the NW website. http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2006/pr101120061711.html

Glad to see NW expand their European network. Are any other cities going to get the 757 service to AMS?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:05 am

Hmm I asked in the old thread what the story was with flights to Ireland. There were very strong rumours NW were going to launch to thete using 757s. Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced? Will it be? Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced?

Apparently this was just the first phase.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?

The SNN is apparently gone with DL announcing non-stop service to DUB.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Hmm I asked in the old thread what the story was with flights to Ireland. There were very strong rumours NW were going to launch to thete using 757s. Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced? Will it be? Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?

I posted that in the old thread as well. I was wondering about the possibility of DTW-GLA, DTW-DUB, or DTW-SNN.

Also does anyone know why DUS was picked over what would seem to be larger German cities such as Berlin, Hamburg or Munich?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:27 am

Reason being that Berlin, Hamburg, & Munich are effectively beyond the range of the 757 from DTW.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
144 coach seats (removing 3 rows of coach, increasing seat pitch 3"-4"

This is a great move by NW. Personally, I stopped flying AA (whenever possible) once they got rid of "more room throughout coach," and have been dedicated to UA's Economy Plus product. 31" on long legs can get pretty uncomfortable especially if you are travelling with luggage that goes under the seat in front of you.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:06 am

Yes its a great move, but don't think that NW is doing this for passenger comfort. The primary reason for the increased seat pitch is the need to remove seats due to weight restrictions. In order to get the required range (primarily going westbound), the 757 would have to take payload restrictions. NW must have run the numbers to calculate the maximum effective load and decided to remove seats and improve comfort versus leave the seats empty. This is possible since this will be a dedicated sub-fleet of aircraft. Plus NW is hoping that the WBC demand along with low operating costs of the 757 will help to make up the reduction in coach seats.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:43 am

So 10 Aircraft for 6 routes is that about right?, what is the story with DUB/SNN?. I thought that was a dead cert for NW service or maybe the market is getting too saturated?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
EWR-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency alongside KLM service)

I thought NW where taking over KLM's flights so KLM could add an extra JFK flight?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 19):
I thought NW where taking over KLM's flights so KLM could add an extra JFK flight?

AMS-EWR on KLM A332 is still in the systems for summer 2007
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 14):
Also does anyone know why DUS was picked over what would seem to be larger German cities such as Berlin, Hamburg or Munich?

DTW-DUS is as far as they can go with the 757, about 3,900 miles.

Will the NWA EWR-AMS flight be a 757?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
Will the NWA EWR-AMS flight be a 757?

Yes
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:50 am

So I assume that they are flying these routes with the 752. Are they planning on getting these ETOPS certified?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:57 am

Anyone bring NW to ZRH please!! Big grin
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Apparently this was just the first phase.

Would anyone like to gander at what could possibly come with the next round(s) of european expansion?

I have some that I would love to see, but I will digress.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting NWA ARJ (Reply 23):
So I assume that they are flying these routes with the 752. Are they planning on getting these ETOPS certified?

Isn't that a requirement to use them on these routes?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
DTW-DUS is as far as they can go with the 757, about 3,900 miles.

Was thinking about the range of a 757 from DTW. Then thought about the range from BDL.

From DTW the farthest the NW757 can go is Western Spain, Northwest France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, Ireland, Norway, Demark and Northern Germany.

But from BDL, the farthest the NW757 can go is Spain, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The UK, Ireland, Switzerland, parts of Finland and Northwest Italy.

Things that make you go hmmm....
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:37 am

ok, so in that massive thread from yesterday that no one from airliners can seem to explain what happened to it, I had asked about KL apparently adding a 2nd flight YYZ-AMS 5x weekly using a 772 to compliment its daily 744 service. Can anyone tell me about this? When was it announced? Is there a link?? When is this service due to begin??
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:50 am

Just what the world needs: Another airline using the 757 for long haul...
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:19 am

It is always good to hear about an airline expanding, but I've got to ask whether this makes sense. We're ending up with everyone (well, CO, DL and NW) rushing to cross the Atlantic anywhere and everywhere possible. Will this additional capacity just drive down fares and, subsequently, yields? The golden egg may become tarnished soon enough.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:55 am

There is a chance it will be hard for Northwest to compete on the routes given the undesirable size of the aircraft combined with the markets. Some other carriers fly widebodies with in-seat AVOD and a lie-flat business class seat, two things that cannot be provided on a 757 due to weight issues. Personally, I'd rather fly with BA across the pond, change at LHR, and enjoy their lie-flat beds and nicer business class lounges in the process. From what I have learned, however, there will always be someone willing to a forego a bit of service if the flight is nonstop, so it would not surprise me if NW did quite well with these flights.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:02 am

What bothers me is they are taking 10 757's out of domestic service and dont forget 5 or 6 A320 are getting ax(no pun intended, folks). NW is taking a lot of seats out of domestic service. Is this good strategy?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Usdcaguy (Reply 31):
I'd rather fly with BA across the pond, change at LHR, and enjoy their lie-flat beds and nicer business class lounges in the process.

They could do that by flying NW from DTW-AMS-DUS if they wanted.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 32):
What bothers me is they are taking 10 757's out of domestic service and dont forget 5 or 6 A320 are getting ax

They brought back all the 757's that were parked in the desert, so they are also adding domestic capacity. Have not heard anything about any A320's getting the Ax, especially 5 or 6, they also still have about 7 Airbus's on order to be delivered, 2 A320's and 5 A319's.

Quoting Tommy777 (Reply 29):
Just what the world needs: Another airline using the 757 for long haul...

That has more room (pitch) then most widebodies accross the pond, so whats the big deal.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 27):
From DTW the farthest the NW757 can go is Western Spain, Northwest France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, Ireland, Norway, Demark and Northern Germany.

The range of a 757-200 is 3900 nm (PW Powered) without winglets according to Boeing.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
BDL-AMS:
Northwest Airlines 98
5:45pm Depart Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)
6:45am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 97
1:30pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
3:30pm Arrive Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)

BOS-AMS (in addition to existing daily A330-300 flight) starts 7/15/07
Northwest Airlines 60
10:00pm Depart Boston (BOS)
11:00am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 59
8:10am Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
10:05am Arrive Boston (BOS)

so the routing for 2 757 will be

BOS-AMS-BDL-AMS-BOS....??

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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 32):
What bothers me is they are taking 10 757's out of domestic service and dont forget 5 or 6 A320 are getting ax(no pun intended, folks). NW is taking a lot of seats out of domestic service. Is this good strategy?
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A week ago in the Pioneer Press, analysts remarked that NWA was looking to reduce domestic capacity by 9 percent over next year. This will be through some retirements, and expiration of leases on some aircraft. International expansion is predited to be around 7% by the end of the year.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 33):
Have not heard anything about any A320's getting the Ax,

There are 5 A320's slated to be cut from the fleet, Ships 3202, 3206, 3207, 3208 are scheduled to be or are being parted out by the Memphis Group in Greenwood, MS.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 33):
especially 5 or 6, they also still have about 7 Airbus's on order to be delivered, 2 A320's and 5 A319's.

They're they're still on order, but no delivery date. The A330's are the only scheduled deliveries for next year.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 35):
A week ago in the Pioneer Press, analysts remarked that NWA was looking to reduce domestic capacity by 9 percent over next year. This will be through some retirements, and expiration of leases on some aircraft. International expansion is predited to be around 7% by the end of the year.

So NW is going to decrease its domestic and increase International. That will be good. By 2008 I would think this is going to go up as their widebody fleet will start expanding more. But didn't they claim in their application for DTW-PVG non-stop that the reason for doing DTW was due to the amount of connections that can be made or something like that?
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:44 pm

Well, next year they are taking delivery of CRJ-900's, EMB-175's, and A330's. Plus, 15 CRJ-200's will be returning that were rejected during chapter 11.

Those 5 A320's had already been parked and removed from the fleet so that is nothing new. Plus, not all of the 757's had returned for the desert yet, but they all will now to enable this move. Increasing flight hours on the existing fleet will help make up the difference too. Plus, the DC-9 capacity is flexible to allow for an increase/decrease for additional flying.

NW is done decreasing capacity. The only retirements will be the last of the DC-10's and a few DC-9's. Otherwise, domestically things will be flat next year.

The Trans-Atlantic 757's will be based out of DTW, and flown into BOS, BDL, and EWR from AMS. BDL is a turn-around back to AMS. BOS & EWR have significant ground time between returning back to AMS which will either be used for maintenance or a flight to DTW to cycle in/out aircraft.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:55 pm

What about the fifth DTW-AMS flight? Is that with a 757 or an A330?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:47 pm

here's the inside of 5636 (the NW 757 with winglets)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/n808nw/P1010799.jpg

the extra leg room will be nicer but, if they dont replace those old seats and upgrade those TVs its going to feel crappy on a 8hr flight...enjoy. I have a friend who thinks they will just remove the TVs and have no IFE in coach. If the price and nonstop service is what you want then this will be nice. maybe its just me but i think its stupid to offer different products (comfort/IFE) on the same/simmlar service for the same price. (and this goes for any business) Dont get me wrong, im all for the new routes, they just need to be done right.



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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:49 pm

Maybe for Y on these 757s, NW should invest in the seats that CX is using. That might be a little more attractive. Definately would make it a more competative product. Even if there is no AVOD in Y, that kind of seat would be much better than the standard NW International Y seat.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting N808NW (Reply 39):
the extra leg room will be nicer but, if they dont replace those old seats and upgrade those TVs its going to feel crappy on a 8hr flight...enjoy. I have a friend who thinks they will just remove the TVs and have no IFE in coach. If the price and nonstop service is what you want then this will be nice. maybe its just me but i think its stupid to offer different products (comfort/IFE) on the same/simmlar service for the same price. (and this goes for any business) Dont get me wrong, im all for the new routes, they just need to be done right.

Perhaps nothing has been done yet to the interior to get it ready for these flights. I would think at the very least in coach class the TV's would stay to offer some sort of entertainment on these flights. I can't see very many passengers flying across the Atlantic without some form of entertainment.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 38):
What about the fifth DTW-AMS flight? Is that with a 757 or an A330?

It will be the 757.

What is the range of these 757's? A route like DTW-Berlin would be roughly 4227 statute miles or 3673 nautical miles.

Here is an interesting site to calculate distance between cities.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distance.html
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:56 pm

Does anyone know whether the 757-200 with winglets is capable of doing OSL-MSP? If it can, would a seasonal flight on that route be viable?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:00 pm

The interior modifications have not been made yet. They still have 6-7 months until trans-atlantic service is to begin. It is likely this subfleet of 752's will receive the flip-down LCD TV's in coach similar to what is on the 753 fleet. New seats in coach would be nice, but its not a guarentee at this point.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 41):
I can't see very many passengers flying across the Atlantic without some form of entertainment.

NWA likely will have inflight entertainment but I do not agree that they will not get many passengers without it. Whenever I fly Jet Blue, old Delta Song, or the NWA 330's, I see very few passengers using it. Except for young boys and men and airliners net members. Can't people still read books?
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:33 pm

Yeah, just a note...my pic above is before modifications obviously.


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RE: NWA Expansion

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 44):
NWA likely will have inflight entertainment but I do not agree that they will not get many passengers without it. Whenever I fly Jet Blue, old Delta Song, or the NWA 330's, I see very few passengers using it. Except for young boys and men and airliners net members. Can't people still read books?

Given the choice of a DTW-AMS flight on a 330 with the IFE system or a 757 with no entertainment, I choose the 330.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 43):
It is likely this subfleet of 752's will receive the flip-down LCD TV's in coach similar to what is on the 753 fleet.

What routes do they use the TV's on? Is it strictly for HNL flights? I've flown the 753 several times and have never even seen the TV's flip down for anything.
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RE: NWA Expansion

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 46):
What routes do they use the TV's on? Is it strictly for HNL flights? I've flown the 753 several times and have never even seen the TV's flip down for anything.

Becuase we don't use the system within the lower 48 states and Alaska. Only from US Mainland-Hawaii flights. SEA/LAX/SFO/PDX-HNL, and SEA-OGG. The entertainment system is shut off on domestic segments. Prior to departure to Hawaii, our local supplier rep brings the movies and the safetdemo tapes, and they're removed upon arrival here on the mainland
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RE: NWA Expansion

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:58 am

The growth over the Atlantic from US carriers is coming at the expense of European carriers. The US carriers have costs one-third or more lower than the Europeans. As US carriers overfly European hubs with new flights to India, Africa, the Middle East, and eastern Europe as well as add flights to western Europe with cost-efficient 757s, the European carriers will definitely take the hit.

After 5 years that benefitted the old world, the next 5 years will see a substantial change in fortunes between US and European network carriers with the advantage shifted to the new world carriers.
 
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RE: NWA Expansion

Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:57 am

I am in agreement too, on flying the A330 versus the 757 between DTW-AMS. My one concern is the inconsistent product offering an a route like DTW-AMS. Going DTW-AMS, there is an A330 that departs 30 minutes prior to the 757. On AMS-DTW, there is an A330 flight about 90 minutes prior.

Which leads me to believe NW will offer a similar on-board experience as to what is currently found on the DC-10 Trans-Atlantic flights. Not quite the A330 experience, but they will have to maintain a standard, per the KLM alliance.