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Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:10 pm

As of 2007, Icelandair will be flying scheduled pax services again to Halifax (3x p/wk) in Canada and will introduce 2 new destinations: Bergen in Norway (3x p/wk) and Gothenburg in Sweden (2x p/wk). Services to San Francisco will be discontinued.

Schedules:

FI 607 146 KEF YHZ 1845 2020 0 17MAY07 03SEP07 75W 4:35
FI 334 135 KEF BGO 0830 1245 0 18MAY07 03SEP07 75W 2:15
FI 292 47 KEF GOT 0950 1435 0 17MAY07 02SEP07 75W 2:45

FI 606 146 YHZ KEF 2200 0515+1 0 17MAY07 03SEP07 75W 4:15
FI 335 135 BGO KEF 1430 1450 0 18MAY07 03SEP07 75W 2:20
FI 293 47 GOT KEF 1525 1620 0 17MAY07 02SEP07 75W 2:55

Great the airline returns again to Halifax, lots of traffic from/to Europe (Seamen).
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Northernlights (Thread starter):
As of 2007, Icelandair will be flying scheduled pax services again to Halifax (3x p/wk) in Canada and will introduce 2 new destinations: Bergen in Norway (3x p/wk) and Gothenburg in Sweden (2x p/wk). Services to San Francisco will be discontinued

Where does the 767-300 go?
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:13 pm

Sad to hear SFO is being discontinued.  Sad It was definitely great having a nonstop to Iceland from the Bay Area.
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Northernlights (Thread starter):
As of 2007, Icelandair will be flying scheduled pax services again to Halifax (3x p/wk) in Canada and will introduce 2 new destinations: Bergen in Norway (3x p/wk) and Gothenburg in Sweden (2x p/wk). Services to San Francisco will be discontinued.

Schedules:

FI 607 146 KEF YHZ 1845 2020 0 17MAY07 03SEP07 75W 4:35
FI 334 135 KEF BGO 0830 1245 0 18MAY07 03SEP07 75W 2:15
FI 292 47 KEF GOT 0950 1435 0 17MAY07 02SEP07 75W 2:45

FI 606 146 YHZ KEF 2200 0515+1 0 17MAY07 03SEP07 75W 4:15
FI 335 135 BGO KEF 1430 1450 0 18MAY07 03SEP07 75W 2:20
FI 293 47 GOT KEF 1525 1620 0 17MAY07 02SEP07 75W 2:55

Great the airline returns again to Halifax, lots of traffic from/to Europe (Seamen).

Do you know if there will be increased flights to Oslo as well? Found this text on icelandair.is but do'nt understand it. Says something about a morning flight to Iceland 08:00.....

"Helsta nýbreytnin í flugáætlun félagsins er sú að næsta vor mun Icelandair fljúga frá Íslandi til Bandaríkjanna kl.10 að morgni, og bjóða upp á flug frá Kaupmannahöfn, Osló og Stokkhólmi klukkan átta að morgni til Íslands. "Eins og flestir þekkja þá byggir leiðakerfið okkar á ákveðinni 24 klukkustunda hringrás þar sem flugvélar okkar fara flestar til Evrópu að morgni, koma til baka síðdegis og fara síðan vestur um haf og lenda snemma morguns hér á landi. Nú ætlum við líka að bjóða upp á hina leiðina, þ.e. að fara frá Evrópu að morgni, áfram til Bandaríkjanna að morgni, koma frá Bandaríkjunum um miðnætti og halda áfram að næturlagi til Evrópu. Þetta er spennandi nýjung fyrir viðskiptavini okkar hér heima, í Evrópu og í Bandaríkjunum", segir Jón Karl."

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:24 pm

Does this mean they will not return next summer? I thought this service was seasonal.
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 3):
"Helsta nýbreytnin í flugáætlun félagsins er sú að næsta vor mun Icelandair fljúga frá Íslandi til Bandaríkjanna kl.10 að morgni, og bjóða upp á flug frá Kaupmannahöfn, Osló og Stokkhólmi klukkan átta að morgni til Íslands. "Eins og flestir þekkja þá byggir leiðakerfið okkar á ákveðinni 24 klukkustunda hringrás þar sem flugvélar okkar fara flestar til Evrópu að morgni, koma til baka síðdegis og fara síðan vestur um haf og lenda snemma morguns hér á landi. Nú ætlum við líka að bjóða upp á hina leiðina, þ.e. að fara frá Evrópu að morgni, áfram til Bandaríkjanna að morgni, koma frá Bandaríkjunum um miðnætti og halda áfram að næturlagi til Evrópu. Þetta er spennandi nýjung fyrir viðskiptavini okkar hér heima, í Evrópu og í Bandaríkjunum", segir Jón Karl."

Well, since I spent some time in Iceland maybe I can translate some of this... (I have been in many places)

"The biggest change in the airline chedule is that next spring Icelandair will fly from Iceland to the US at 10 AM and offer flights from CPH, OSL and ARN at 8 AM to Iceland. As most people know [¿?] our route system is built on a certain 24 hour circulation where our planes depart to Europe early in the morning [in Iceland]. Now we will offer the other way as well, i.e. departing early in the morning from Europe, arrive in the US at midnight and continue on at night to Europe. This is an exciting new product for our local, European and US customers", said Jón Karl

Well, I am pleased to see a direct flight to Bergen. Halfax is a bit of a "meh". How about Vancouver or something more exciting?  Smile

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 4):
Does this mean they will not return next summer? I thought this service was seasonal.

It is seasonal. Same goes with their service to BCN and MAD. They stop flying there already in the end of september and start again in end of may I think.

Seasonal flights from MAD??? Sheesh.

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 1):
Where does the 767-300 go?

I presume it could either serve very high density routes in FI's network or go to Loftleidir and do Charters or some ACMIs with other carriers.
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
Loftleidir

Isnt that who operated the SFO service?
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 8):
Isnt that who operated the SFO service?

I don't think so. AFAIK, Loftleidir is the charter and ACMI arm of FI. They don't do scheduled flights.
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:26 am

Here is some more information regarding the schedule for summer 2007 (press release Icelandair 12oct06):

Icelandair Presents its Largest Schedule Ever


Bergen, Gothenburg and Halifax are New Destinations

Icelandair will start operations to Bergen in Norway, Gothenburg in Sweden and Halifax in Canada next spring. Flights are scheduled 3 to 4 times per week to each destination. The flights to Bergen and Gothenburg are an addition to the flights already offered to the four Nordic capitals of Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm and Helsinki. On average Icelandair will fly 10 times every day to the Nordic countries next summer.

"Bergen has seen a tremendous build up of its travel services over the last few years and the city is a center for cruises to the Norwegian fjords. These cruises are popular among American tourists and with a stopover at our hub in Keflavik we can offer a great way to get to Bergen from the United States. We know that this offers a wealth of opportunities for the travel trade and the city of Bergen to open up new markets. Furthermore, we know that this route is an excellent choice for both Icelandic and Norwegian businesses”, said Gunnar Mar Sigurfinnsson, SVP Sales and Marketing at Icelandair.

The main drive behind the Gothenburg flights is to strengthen our product offering in the Swedish travel market and to strengthen the Icelandair brand. “On the one hand, we are offering more choice for Swedes interested in visiting Iceland, while at the same time strengthening our position as the airline of choice when travelling for Nordic travellers on their way to North America”, said Gunnar Mar.

There will be three flights per week to Halifax in Canada next summer. “Icelandair has been interested in flying between Canada and Iceland for a long time. However, due to restrictions on the number of flights to Canada we’ve not been able to build up our services to Canada. It now appears the Canadian authorities have a more positive attitude towards our needs and we have therefore, decided to add Halifax again to our destination network following a hiatus of a few years. The city has been popular among Icelandic travelers, but our emphasis is on opening up new possibilities for travellers to fly between Canada and Europe,” said Gunnar Mar.

Beyond the introduction of these three new destinations, Icelandair has scheduled an increase in the number of flights to Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Helsinki next summer. “We fly from Iceland to 25 destinations in Europe and N-America with various numbers of flights to each destinations. We schedule the number of flights to each destination with a view towards offering our customers in Iceland and around the world a great schedule and service, while maintaining an acceptable return on investment for our shareholders. Unfortunately we’ve had to cut San Francisco next summer, as the revenue generated by the route did not meet our expectations. It’s clear that 2005 will be one of the best years ever for Icelandair and we intend to do even better next year".
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:48 am

Shame that SFO is going but good news for the new cities

Whats the chance of any new UK destination being added in the future such as EDI or ABZ?
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:07 am

They are dropping San Francisco and add Halifax in Canada that is a very strange move! Why not add LAX, Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal instead. I doubt that many Europeans will travel to Halifax but it could be the other way around that the Halifax people want to travel to Europe.

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:14 am

YHZ? What's the logic behind that? Are they just trying to get the Halifax/NS trans-Atlantic traffic? Wouldn't Toronto or Montreal have made more sense?
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:19 am

The morning departures from KEF to BOS & JFK should be great sellers!
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:23 am

It's such a shame they're leaving SFO! As an SFO based agent, I'm very surprised, because the flight has been FULL all Summer! We all know that full planes don't mean good yields, but if they couldn't make $$ off full planes in peak season, then it seems someone in revenue management isn't doing their job!
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:11 am

I'm a bit confused. Are they switching the times for the BOS flights to an early-afternoon arrival or are they adding more weekly flights. It appears that next summer is too far out for Icelandair's timetable on their website and there's no info at this time.

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 13):
YHZ? What's the logic behind that? Are they just trying to get the Halifax/NS trans-Atlantic traffic? Wouldn't Toronto or Montreal have made more sense?

Icelandair was fairly successful with its flights to YHZ before they terminated them a few years ago. As stated, when they were flying to YHZ they wanted to increase the number of flights to YHZ, but couldn't, so they dropped the route.

When there were flights between YHZ and KEF, we did notice quite a large influx of Icelandic tourists. For the most part they came for the shopping, as presumably things are quite a bit cheaper here than in Iceland. It was also embraced by many Atlantic Canadians as a one stop gateway to many areas of Europe. Icelandair built the market, and by returning they are assuming the market still exists (which I think it does).

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting SQuared (Reply 17):
Icelandair was fairly successful with its flights to YHZ

Quite correct. Even know there is quite a lot of connecting traffic through Boston from YHZ. I believe the market still exists because people are will to backtrack 90 mins for the connection

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Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:28 am

The folks on the rock are adding additional flights, the morning
flights are the new ones. Sorry I confused you!
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 13):
YHZ? What's the logic behind that? Are they just trying to get the Halifax/NS trans-Atlantic traffic? Wouldn't Toronto or Montreal have made more sense?

The flying time between Keflavik and Halifax is almost nothing - 4:15 gate to gate scheduled, and with winds favorable, that flight could end up in the air for only a little over 3 hours. This is a good way to use a plane in a tight time slot.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 5):
Well, since I spent some time in Iceland maybe I can translate some of this... (I have been in many places)

Translation looks OK - you´ve obviously "done your homework" while in Iceland...  Wink


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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Northernlights (Reply 10):
However, due to restrictions on the number of flights to Canada we’ve not been able to build up our services to Canada.

Why are there restrictions on number of flights to Canada? I thought Canada was keen on attracting more visitors for holidays and business...? Or is YHZ cramped slot-wise?
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 22):
Why are there restrictions on number of flights to Canada? I thought Canada was keen on attracting more visitors for holidays and business...? Or is YHZ cramped slot-wise?

It's not a slot issue but the usual balance of benefits issue for each country when they negotiate an air services agreement (actually there is no current ASA between Canada and Iceland; it's a less formal memorandum of understanding, but same arguments apply).

Currently, Icelandair (FI) is permitted to operate 2 flights a week between Iceland and Canada, and only to/from Halifax, Montreal, St. John's or Winnipeg (one of very few Icelandic communities in Canada is near YWG; from emigration in the early 20th century). If I read the terms correctly, subject to certain fairly minor conditions FI can operate 3 additional weekly flights to one of those points, except Montreal. So I believe they could operate up to 5/week to YHZ. The current agreement also permits them to operate one all cargo flight weekly (up to B757 capacity)..

Iceland is a very small country. The entire population is only about 300,000, only 3/4 the population of YHZ (a little less than 400,000) which I believe is now the smallest city in North America with nonstop scheduled service to Europe (AC YHZ-LHR) except for St. John's (YYT) when AC resumes YYT-LHR service there next year.

Local origin/destination traffic between Iceland and Canada will thus always be very limited. As far as I know no Canadian carrier has ever shown any interest in serving Iceland.

However FI has always used REK as a connecting hub to/from theirr other destinations in Europe, and often at very attractive fares. If they didn't do this they would never be able to justify all their current USA services. So the vast majority of YHZ-REK traffic will be 6th freedom connections, not local Canada-Iceland traffic.

FI thus benefits far more than Canadian carriers from the ability to operate between Iceland and Canada, thus the Canadian govt. applies the current restrictions. The starting point for air services negotiations is always based on the needs of the the local O/D market between the two countries. The ability to carry 6th freedom traffic to/from beyond points is a by-product. When that type of traffic is likely to be in the majority you will usually see fairly severe frequency and capacity restrictions.

In any case, for a country as small as Iceland, even the ability to operate 5 flights a week to Canada is fairly liberal compared to several other much larger countries. SQ has long been restricted to only 3 flights a week between SIN and YVR and Singapore's population is 15 times Iceland's, but still small compared to most countries in Asia. Sixth freedom traffic is thus greater than local O/D traffic. Both SQ and FI are obviously much larger than they would be if they had to rely strictly on local traffic to/from their own countries.


P.S. As matter of trivia, when FI previously served YHZ, they started service with a B737-400. That was the first transatlantic B737 service, and with a connection at REK you could get all the way from North America to continental Europe on a 737.

[Edited 2006-10-14 01:03:02]
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:41 am

Ummm.... Wasn't SFO a seasonal service anyway? It was supposed to be discontinued if I remember correctly. When they were starting up I thought they said they'll discontinue and resume next season.

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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 24):
Wasn't SFO a seasonal service anyway? It

Yes, but this time they've said the service won't resume next Summer. It's really too bad.
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:19 pm

I don't mean to bring back a thread from the grave, but I have a few questions pertaining to the operations of Icelandair in the upcoming months. If anyone could shed some light on the subject, it would be very much appreciated.

-With the discontinuation of SFO, what is to happen to the 763 this winter/next summer?

-Where will the 753 be deployed this winter?

-When will the Bergen and Gothenburg routes begin service?

-Will the flights to St. Petersburg resume?

Thank you!
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:21 pm

when FI was starting the service a couple years back I was thrilled for another carrier to Europe. However their timing of the flights is probably what did them in. From what I can remember the ob from SFO only really allowed a connection to LHR. All the other cities required you to spend the night. Their prices was great, just wish I had a chance to fly them before they left..
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 13):
Wouldn't Toronto or Montreal have made more sense?

The highly restrictive Canada-Iceland bilateral doesn't allow for Icelandair to serve YYZ. Another good example of why not having an Open Skies agreement in place hinders tourism & economic development.

Icelandair has shown an interest in serving YOW and probably a couple other Canadian cities but can't do so.

[Edited 2006-10-24 17:17:14]
 
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:08 am

Despite Iceland being a small nation, they still offer good US-Europe service. I know a number of people here in MN who fly Icelandair to Norway and Sweden to visit relatives, since they seem to get much better deals on Icelandair than they could on NW or any of the other US airlines to scandanavia. Icelandair is good for more than just their O and D.
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RE: Icelandair Returns To YHZ / Stops SFO

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:01 am

Has Icelandair ever serviced ORD?