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Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:19 am

From the Houston Comical

Officer demands apology in airport case
Policeman says he was vilified after a suspicious man was allowed to board plane

By HARVEY RICE
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

A Houston police officer wants an apology from federal screeners at Hobby Airport who he says made him a scapegoat after a Jordanian with suspected bomb parts was allowed to board an aircraft.

Officer J.O. Reece was transferred to a desk job after he was blamed for allowing Mohamed Ahwar Bataineh, a Jordanian living legally in Houston, to board a Delta Air Lines flight for Atlanta on June 26.

A TSA report obtained by the Houston Chronicle appears to blame Reece for the incident, which began when screeners at a checkpoint asked Bataineh whether he had a laptop computer in a computer bag.

Bataineh shook his head, but an X-ray machine operator detected a laptop and alarm clock with a nine-volt battery taped to it. They also said Bataineh was wearing shoes that they suspected had been "gutted out."

"The shoes had been tampered with and there were all the components of (a bomb) except the explosive itself," according to the report.

Instead of detaining Bataineh or calling the FBI as they could have and should have done according to security officials, a TSA official asked Reece to investigate.

Reece examined the shoes and found no reason for concern, then put the battery in the clock and found that it functioned properly, according to Hoffman.

Reece found no reason to detain Bataineh and allowed him to enter the boarding area over the protests of screeners, according to the report.

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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:33 am

TSA doesn't follow procedure, hands the matter off to HPD which isn't the correct agency, and then they blame the officer??? Uh.. ok. Sure the officer should've likely bounced it back and said "Call the FBI" but it never should've gotten to him anyway. WTG DFA (Dumbest F*cking Agency) :golfclap:
 
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:40 am

It also sounds like he didn't find anything. The most obviously suspicous thing there is that he denied having a laptop. (There's no mention of his English skills.) I'm also curious what the definition of: "Everything needed for a bomb except the explosives" mean. Does an alarm clock and a laptop really count as everything? If so, that would include a lot of people in the world. I agree it's suspicous enough to warrant an extra search, but it all sounds fishy how convincing this evidence was.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:44 am

So...

1. TSA finds a laptop, alarm clock, and battery in carryon luggage. (none of which is illegal)
2. (i'm assuming) TSA searches passenger and finds nothing illegal.
3. Local police officer searches person and finds nothing wrong.
4. PAX, whom has been searched at least twice if not more is allowed to board an a/c because nothing dangerous was found.

So...whats the problem here? Is it his name or nationality?
If the screeners objected they could have called some other law enforcement agency and not let the man enter, but they didn't. So who is really to blame here?
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:22 am

What is "tampering" with shoes? The shoes I'm wearing at this very moment have been resoled. So what?
 
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 3):
4. PAX, whom has been searched at least twice if not more is allowed to board an a/c because nothing dangerous was found.

5. Flight progresses without incident.
6. Life goes on.

Right? Or did I miss some tragic news?
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:37 am

So now the Houston PD is supposed to do the TSA's job?
Oh yeah that's right, he wasn't a crew member, 4 year old kid or 80 year old grandmother, so no reason for the TSA to be suspicious of him.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:44 am

Sounds like the Houston Police Officer actually used COMMON SENSE. Something the TSA probably does not appreciate.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
Sounds like the Houston Police Officer actually used COMMON SENSE. Something the TSA probably does not appreciate.

You have to understand, the TSA didn't hire people who where smart enough to use common sense.

If you use common sense the rulebook doesn't get followed.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:50 am

I'd be surprised if the TSA apologises to the IAH PD.

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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
A TSA report obtained by the Houston Chronicle appears to blame Reece for the incident

The plane didn't blow up, nothing illegal was found on the guy... so how is this an incident?
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
Something the TSA probably does not appreciate.



. . . . . or possess I'll wager.


First ? Why did the TSA hand this guy over to HPD? Is that standard for HOU or IAH?

Second ? Why didn't the HPD Officer get in touch with the appropriate LEA? Which should be the Airport Police or FBI?

Third? Where was the TSA Supervisor personnel during this 'incident'? And why does the TSA have their panties in a wad because the Officer did THEIR job?

TSA = Thousands Standing Around = Losers


By the by. . . .where is member IAH777 - an HPD officer. I would like to hear his take.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Instead of detaining Bataineh or calling the FBI as they could have and should have done according to security officials, a TSA official asked Reece to investigate.

Its the government, they never follow procedure. They always have "another way."
 
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:42 pm

We are living in an increasing paranoid world .
God help us all if this continues some people might not coincide flying to save themselves the embarrassment in the future
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:04 pm

The first thing I thought of was some one was testing the system. If I was a terrorist leader I would have sent a person just like him out to test security. If he got past with out question I would have found a weak spot that can be exploited. The man acted suspicious in that he 1. Lied about the lap top 2. had shoes that appeared tampered with. 3. Had batteries taped to the out side of the alarm clock ( would look like a bomb on an x-ray machine). The system both passed and failed at the same time. The screeners found the suspicious articles PASS. Screeners had no idea what to do when they found those articles FAIL. Anyone who knows anything about law knows that a local law enforcement agency has no jurisdiction over a federal agency. I don't like to bash people but the TSA, as an agency, is seriously lacking in both leadership and skill.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:37 pm

TSA = Tracking Suspicious Americans


You know this is the kind of thing that airlines really need to take a stand against....You know this ridiculous kind of profiling...Because in the long run this is bad for business. If you hear stories about generally innocent people being harassed by underpaid, undereducated, unmotivated government employees...who for the most part stand around in small groups, talking very loudly (in at MCO they speak SPANISH to one another...wtf is up with that?), and being inadvertantly short and rude to oncoming passengers, then nobody is going to want to fly....Especially now that the price of gas is starting to come down to reasonable levels......

Those TSA employees are just pissed, b/c now they won't get to be in the company newsletter, that highlights their little racist crowning achievement.
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 6):
So now the Houston PD is supposed to do the TSA's job?

why not? here at SBN, the police and airport operations are the ones that have to come inspect all vehicles going through the SIDA gates. every time i have to go through the gate for fueling purposes, they must come out to check for explosives. if i planned to do damage of any sort, does anybody think a flimsy gate would be what holds me back?

when i asked operations why they had to do the job that TSA enacted, she told me "the TSA doesn't want to pay somebody to inspect vehicles." instead, i get stuck watching the a/c sit at the gate while i try and get through, but must wait for ops because they are doing their job, which has them on the OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD! the TSA is absolutely ridiculous. if something happened once in a while, it wouldn't be an issue, but every week there are new stories of what stupid things they've done.

they come to the FBO i work for on notre dame football days and slap us on the wrist for having access to the ramp. when you have 200+ a/c crowd a ramp in 3 hours, there's no way to check every ID or lock the doors. the point of biz jets is to get to where you're going on YOUR clock, without all the hassles of the airport screeners, ticket agents, lost bags, etc.

the last time TSA claimed they got on the ramp, i was sitting in a fuel truck with my eye on him the whole time. he began pissing and moaning to the supervisor, so i stepped up, told him exactly what he did on the ramp. every move he made, which direction he stepped in. he told me i need to challenge him if i see somebody i don't know on the ramp. does that mean i must challenge every guy on the ramp in a suit and tie? god knows NOBODY wears those clothes getting off a BUSINESS JET!

they constantly yell at us, but offer no solutions to our "problem." when asked who we need to speak to about figuring something out, the guy told us the AOPA!!! if the AOPA is the one to help us, why should you be here to say or do anything on my ramp?
 
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RE: Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:57 am

It sounds to me like Bataineh was doing a dry run.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
screeners at a checkpoint asked Bataineh whether he had a laptop computer in a computer bag. Bataineh shook his head, but an X-ray machine operator detected a laptop

Bataineh lied.  redflag  #1

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
...and alarm clock with a nine-volt battery taped to it.

Not really a  redflag  in itself. Sounds like a logical option. Removing the battery from the clock would prevent it from alarming during the flight. Taping it to the clock would prevent it from becoming lost. Might be a  redflag  if the clock was attached to the computer in some manner.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
They also said Bataineh was wearing shoes that they suspected had been "gutted out." "The shoes had been tampered with and there were all the components of (a bomb) except the explosive itself," according to the report.

 redflag  #2.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Instead of detaining Bataineh or calling the FBI as they could have and should have done according to security officials, a TSA official asked Reece to investigate.

Reese responded to a request, which is OK. However, he should have called the FBI himself.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Reece examined the shoes and found no reason for concern, then put the battery in the clock and found that it functioned properly.

Has Reese been trained as a terrorism or explosives expert? Would such an expert have seen things differently? Is it SOP to energize or power up a questionable electrical device?

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Reece found no reason to detain Bataineh and allowed him to enter the boarding area over the protests of screeners, according to the report.

The Golden Rule for public safety professionals when confronted with a dilemma is to choose the safest option. Maybe Reese should have listened to the screeners and detained Bataineh and called in the FBI (or HPD supervisor).

I don't think the TSA should apologize. I also think Houston PD did the right thing by transferring him to a desk job. It's standard procedure to temporarily assign an officer to the desk when he/she is the focus of an investigation.

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