AlexPorter
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Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 pm

I was wondering:
What is the largest airliner to have been configured in an all-economy configuration for regular service? Has the 747 ever been all-economy?

Also, what is the smallest airliner to have been configured in multiple-classes for regular service? I can think of things like the CRJ-700 and XJ's RJ-85 for example - but what is the answer?
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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:48 pm

ALEX,
dont know about smaller a/c...but i flew on a jal 747-200 to osaka and i bet we had 500+ on that bird.....didnt look to see if it had a biz class as it was a domestic flight but it was packed
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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Thread starter):
Has the 747 ever been all-economy?

Corsair flies the 747 in an all Y configuration. 569 seats IIRC.


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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:13 pm

Many 747s have operated with all-Y seating over the years, especially those used by charter carriers.

Japan Airlines (JL) and All Nippon Airways (NH) operate high-density B747s on domestic routes in Japan although they have a premium cabin on the upper deck with larger business class-type seats sold at a surcharge. JL's 747-400D has 568 seats and their older 747-100 domestic version has 533 seats. JL also uses some 777-300s (non-ER) on domestic routes with 470 seats which must be the highest seating capacity on any twin-engine aircraft (figures per JL website). NH configurations are probably very similar.

The 747-400D built for JL/NH is unusual as it lacks the wingtip extensions and winglets of other 744s; they aren't of much benefit on short domestic routes and only add extra weight. The wingtip extensions and winglets can be added if these aircraft are later used on longhaul routes.

I believe Tokyo Haneda (HND)-Sapporo (SPK) is the world's busiest air route in terms of passengers carried with about 40 JL/NH high-density widebodies daily in each direction.

Re the smallest types with 2-class service, many 50-seat regional jets and similar turboprops, especially in Europe, have 2-class service but with no difference in seating, only in service standards (improved meal service mainly) and other benefits that go with business class fares (lounge access, more frequent flyer miles etc).

The smallest types with a dedicated premium cabin with larger seats and increased seat pitch are probably certain CRJ-700/900s and Embraer 170/190s. AC is one carrier with a separate business class cabin on CRJ-705 and EMB-170/190 with 3-abreast seats vs. 4-abreast in Y.
 
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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
The smallest types with a dedicated premium cabin with larger seats and increased seat pitch are probably certain CRJ-700/900s and Embraer 170/190s. AC is one carrier with a separate business class cabin on CRJ-705 and EMB-170/190 with 3-abreast seats vs. 4-abreast in Y.

A small prop Antonov I took KBP-ODS had a two-class layout, with business class in the back with fixed tables and alternatively forward and backward-facing seats (just like a train carriage).
 
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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:32 pm

Regarding the smallest aircraft with to classes, I just flew in a Croatia Airlines ATR-42, that has a curtain to divide the Business Class in the rear from Economy Class up front. This aircrafts has 42 seats.

The next small aircraft with two classes is the CRJ-200, i.g. Austrian Arrows flies them with two classes.
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RE: Biggest A/C In 1-Class & Smallest A/C In 2-Class?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:57 pm

In the UK, bmi regional use the Embraer ERJ 135 and that used to operate in a two class config. I think it still does on some routes... Seating capacity is 37.

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