lowecur
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Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:44 pm

ATW is reporting Jetblue will only have 4 flts per day. That should effectively knock out LGB. Must be they can't get the gate and will share with someone else. Service is expected to start 1/27/07.

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=10%2F13%2F2006
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:06 pm

Is it just me or is there no mention of B6 in that webpage?
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 1):
Is it just me or is there no mention of B6 in that webpage?

It's just you  Smile
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:08 pm

Man, must be friday the 13th or something...

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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:19 pm

The voice of moderation
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
ATW is reporting Jetblue will only have 4 flts per day.

Why even bother with 4 flights per day?

Go for Midway and see if you can get a gate or two.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
Go for Midway and see if you can get a gate or two.

Or GYY and have the whole airport to yourself.  Wink
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
Or GYY and have the whole airport to yourself.

Since Chicago is so vital to their network..  wink 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
Why even bother with 4 flights per day?

to serve their NY area fan base.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 8):
to serve their NY area fan base

Is this a airline, or is this a fan club with A320's?
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 8):
to serve their NY area fan base.

(2) flts at 11am means they are definitely sharing. My guess is one of the 11am flts may go to LGB.

US Airways must have received pressure from UAL and is now probably going to start flts from the unused gate. I sincerely hope that these two characters try and merge, and the DOT(Federal Trade Commission) forces US to give up all their gates plus a few from UAL.
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Is this a airline, or is this a fan club with A320's?

you don't seem to have a problem with them serving other cities with 3 flights or less per day, do you?
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:25 am

Interesting debacle.

4 flts per day is a drop in the bucket. But I guess its simply too big a destination for them to ignore. The info I read says that depending on the airline, the unused gate could accomodate 7-10 flights per day.

Does this also perhaps have anything to do with the revised A-320 delivery schedule they announced a few months ago?
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:52 am

The problem here is that B6 cannot really consider MDW unless WN gives up a few more gates but then FL would scramble to get them. FL is solidly entrenched now at MDW for future growth through gates opening up or future airport expansion (however that may be done). All other gates would be city/common gates that are not taken by any other airlines.

If it were me I would start with a strong presence at Gary and build a following in the Chicago area or go to MKE to get the northern burbs as a customer base in order to better pressure ORD officials for gate space. Any way you slice it eventually B6 has got to jump into the fray in the Chicagoland area.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
Or GYY and have the whole airport to yourself.

Except for Sky Value USA. This airline will not serve NYC right away and does not have a daily schedule.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 10):
US Airways must have received pressure from UAL and is now probably going to start flts from the unused gate.

The HP gate is certainly not unused.

US thought it could move out of it, and move into a current UAX gate adjacent to the US gates.

Whether that's still true, I couldn't tell you. If US can no longer get the UAX gate, it'd obviously need to use the HP gate and not give it up.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 10):
I sincerely hope that these two characters try and merge,

Keep hoping...  Yeah sure
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 17):
Keep ho

OK.
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Is this a airline, or is this a fan club with A320's?

How dare they try to do something their customers are asking for........

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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:47 pm

Well 3X flights per day is not much but I guess at least they can build it up and apply for more later. Hopefully it will take off and they will want more since it is the most requested city by B6 by their PAX and through jetblue.com.

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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:56 pm

Wait a minute. I just thought of something. If jetBlue was to have 3X JFK-ORD and 1X LGB-ORD, then obviously one of the flights would be at the 1100 arrival slot. So if they were to have an LGB flight getting in at 1100 then it would be leaving LGB a little before 5am. So would a flight leaving LGB at like 4:45am to ORD be popular?

Could they maybe want somewhere else besides LGB or do they still have to stick with a LGB flight from saying earlier they want a LGB-ORD flight?

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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
Go for Midway and see if you can get a gate or two.

JetBlue doesn't generally serve secondary markets. They go for the major airports in the area.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
Why even bother with 4 flights per day?

JBLU operates out of major airports and this is only part of their strategy to first get access and then they will skim others out.
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
JetBlue doesn't generally serve secondary markets. They go for the major airports in the area.

LGB? OAK? JFK? FLL? All four of those are "secondary" - JFK in the sense that it is secondary for domestic service.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:03 pm

Quote:
Or GYY and have the whole airport to yourself.

Praise the Lord!! Someone else who recognizes that B6 would have the red carpet rolled out for them at GYY if they wanted to.

Trying to squeeze into ORD or MDW is like an alcoholic solving his drinking problem without giving up alcohol. B6 will be in an eternal gate search at either ORD and MDW, and I don't think the associated costs are going to be worth all the trouble of operations at those airports. GYY, however, is a clean slate, free of traffic hassles (airplane-wise, that is), and with the right marketing, people might be willing to make the drive to GYY to fly B6.

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JetBlue doesn't generally serve secondary markets. They go for the major airports in the area.

True enough for the most part, but don't forget their whole business model in southern California is based on Long Beach airport, TRULY a secondary airport in SoCal.
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 20):
So would a flight leaving LGB at like 4:45am to ORD be popular?

LGB has a curfew that would prevent them from scheduling a departure prior to 7AM. So that second 11AM flihgt would be for a different market.
 
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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 25):
LGB has a curfew that would prevent them from scheduling a departure prior to 7AM. So that second 11AM flihgt would be for a different market.

So what could it be then? IAD? BOS? or maybe something like FLL.

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RE: Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 26):
So what could it be then? IAD? BOS? or maybe something like FLL.

Your guess is as good as mine. I don't think that they would go for IAD as you are going up against UA's heavies and WN has started service from MDW. BOS has a lot of cometition but would allow for a lot of connections. FLL would be great if they have the gate space although they could be going for MCO to help feed their carribean flights from there or to build up MCO even more. The only other airport that would make remote sense would be OAK but who knows. I am deffinetly anxious for the press release letting us know where they are going to fly.

One thing that may happen(if they truly have two more slots at LGB) is they offer a redeye into ORD before 7AM and an afternoon departure for an arrival after 9PM which would avoid the slot controlled hours. B6 is very good at utilizing their planes and are very flexible with their flight times so I could see them doing something like this.

By the way, they did receive the 4 requested slots. There is another thread going on right now about that.

Just a few thoughts.

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