ke086
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Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:53 am

Korean air has recieved the highest ratings in two catigories! Best First and Business class Airline! And Most popular Frequent flyer program. Congrats to Korean Air. THEY BEAT CATHY PACIFIC AND SINGAPORE AIRLINES!!!! Way to go! here is the link...
http://www.koreanair.com
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JBLUA320
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:02 am

Sounds like KE is really turning themselves around. Great job to them, and I hope they keep it up!

JBLU
 
SR 103
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:07 am

I have booked KE for my return flight to the US in January. Considering my top two favorite airlines are CX and MH, lets see just how well KE does with me.

Never the less, good to see KE getting some awards.

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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:17 am

Very good to be better than SQ and CX, however they still have one of the worst safety records of any airline. They have lost more widebody planes in accidents than all major European airliners combined! Needless to say, flying with them is not very high on my list.
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worldtraveler
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:34 am

KE has turned itself in a dramatic way, including on the safety front. They have implemented US style CRM processes and have been a very safe airline since they implemented the changes.
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 3):
They have lost more widebody planes in accidents than all major European airliners combined!

What is your source? Mine might be outdated, but it doesn't appear that there has been any KE accidents since 1999.

JBLU
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:30 am

JBLU...

Incidents aswell as Accidents.

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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
Korean air has recieved the highest ratings in two catigories! Best First and Business class Airline! And Most popular Frequent flyer program. Congrats to Korean Air. THEY BEAT CATHY PACIFIC AND SINGAPORE AIRLINES!!!! Way to go! here is the link...
http://www.koreanair.com

Congrats to KE on a job well done.. checkmark 


I took this photo of the KE Queen yesterday morning @ ORD.. biggrin 

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ozglobal
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:21 am

Hmmm. 'Time Readers' airline awards? They had to pick their survey. Interesting that no other survey cites them even in the top 10 that I have seen!

I'm completely with Linnden. I'd feel safer taking up drag racing.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 3):
they still have one of the worst safety records of any airline. They have lost more widebody planes in accidents than all major European airliners combined! Needless to say, flying with them is not very high on my list.

All their disasters were the result of pilot error.

Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities
11.19.1980 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5B 15:226
Seoul, S. Korea HL7445
09.01.1983 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B 269:269
Sakhalin Island, Russia HL7442
11.29.1987 Korean Air Lines Boeing 707-3B5C 115:115
Andaman Sea HL7406
07.27.1989 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 75:200 + 6
Tripoli, Libya HL7328
11.25.1989 Korean Air Lines Fokker F-28 Fellowship 1:52
Seoul, S. Korea HL7255
08.10.1994 Korean Air Lines Airbus A300B4-622R 0:160
Cheju, South Korea HL7296
08.06.1997 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-3B5 228:254
Agana, Guam HL7468
05.08.1998 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-4B5 0:395
Seoul, South Korea HL7496
03.29.1999 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 0:156
Pohang, South Korea HL7570
04.15.1999 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-11 3:3
Shanghai, China HL7373
12.22.1999 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5F 4:4
Surrey, England (Stansted Airport) HL7451

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...etail.cgi?airline=Korean+Air+Lines
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
I'm completely with Linnden. I'd feel safer taking up drag racing.

It really amazes me that people still think that Korean Air is unsafe to fly. It proves that you simply do not know how much the airline has changed since the late 90s.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:48 pm

Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Possibly the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 10):
Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Possibly the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot.

Yer darn tootin'!

Anyone who hasn't read the Korean Airlines safety audit online, should.
 
ke086
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:38 pm

Yes, number one on my do not fly list
Hey how about all the American disasters HUh? Just because Korean Air had some disasters does not mean that it has not changed. I have been Flying Korean Air all my life and i would have to say that even though they had accidents i have never felt more safer on this airline then any other airline. Korean Air has changed it self around and people should consider flying this great airline despite what has happened in the past.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:54 pm

While their first and biz class is "award winning", I certainly don't think their Y-class was anything special. While their safety record has improved, they've still had more accidents than their counterpart, Asiana. While I have yet to fly either in biz or first class, I'm of the opinion that OZ's economy product is far superior in all aspects. OZ's membership in SA also beats the pants off of anything KE could possibly offer...where did KE's awards come from?!

In closing, there's nothing Asiana could possibly do that would give them an uglier livery than KE's horrendous outfit!

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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
All their disasters were the result of pilot error.
09.01.1983 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B 269:269
Sakhalin Island, Russia HL7442

Pilot error may have allowed them to get off course... but being shot down doesn't sound like pilot error....


Anyway.. kudos to KE. Never flown them, but I think the baby-blue planes are lovely looking.  Smile

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ke086
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:06 pm

Well Korean Air's Economy class service beats Asiana's for they do not have PTVS in economy but KOrean AIr does in almost all of there fleet. Alot of South Koreans that i know would fly Korean Air for their service is so much better then Asiana. But you have to admit that Korean Air's Uniform beats out Air Canda's
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Hoons90 (Reply 9):
It really amazes me that people still think that Korean Air is unsafe to fly. It proves that you simply do not know how much the airline has changed since the late 90s.

If they continue another 20 years of save flying I might consider them.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 10):
Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Mine too! Uncontested!

Quoting Goboeing (Reply 11):
Anyone who hasn't read the Korean Airlines safety audit online, should.

Since all of their major crashes were out of pilot errors, they can have 1000 of safety audits!
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):

I would like to state that the survey to which this refers, the Time Asia Reader's Travel Awards 2006, Singapore Airlines Limited retained the Most Preferred Airline title for the fifth year running.
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airxliban
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:55 pm

Good job to KE however I've still got a stigma against them and will be unlikely to use them for any trips to Asia.

Although their 773s are pretty unique.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 16):

If they continue another 20 years of save flying I might consider them.



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 16):
Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Come on guys, even though there have been accidents, the last one being almost eight years ago, doesn't mean that they aren't safe now. Look at their fleet, they've updated and made changes. Aviation has always been about taking risks, it's about the thrill. If this weren't true, you wouldn't spend hours on this site every week posting your thoughts about your love of flying. Come on guys, lighten up, just enjoy the sky!
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freedom747
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:18 pm

People! Pull your heads out of the sand. Korean has done a complete 180. Ever since Delta sent their Chief Pilot to Seoul appx 4 years ago to turn them around and its been huge success ever since and thats how KE was able to gain access to join SkyTeam when they did years back.
 
OHLHD
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 19):

You are right, propably,but I rather die in a Saha 707 a Domodedovo Tu154 or a Cubana Il62 rather in a KE 772 or any other KE A/C.

This is my opinion however I will look at them in 10years Big grin .
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 10):
Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Possibly the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot.

Most airlines have had some kind of accident or incident or have been involved in at least a safety risk somewhere along their history. Can you name me one that has not? If you are judging KE that harshly then I have to assume you don't fly by airplane.

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SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:42 pm

The safety debate is debatable but I don't think the average traveller's memory's or knowledge even goes as far as ours. I don't think it goes into their thinking when choosing an airline at all.
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OHLHD
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 22):
Can you name me one that has not? If you are judging KE that harshly then I have to assume you don't fly by airplane.

I cannot speak for Mr MAX Q, but!!!! take a look at AY and QF. Is that enough. Look at their safety record over the past 40 years!
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:47 pm

Great news. Korean does, however, have a very spotty safety record.
 
worldtraveler
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 23):
The safety debate is debatable but I don't think the average traveller's memory's or knowledge even goes as far as ours. I don't think it goes into their thinking when choosing an airline at all.

No it's really not debatable at al to anyone who can look at what has taken place at KE.

People who frequent these boards are precisely the people who should recognize that KE brought in western style Cockpit Resource Management and in implementing it recognized that KE had a patriarchical mindset in the cockpit that prevented the cockpit crew from working together or from working with their dispatchers.

Failing to recognize the importance of that process in turning around KE DISQUALIFIES anyone to talk about the safety of KE.
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Hoons90 (Reply 9):
It really amazes me that people still think that Korean Air is unsafe to fly. It proves that you simply do not know how much the airline has changed since the late 90s.

There is nothing to be amazed. You can not prove safety by five years of safe flying. It is an attribute and respect gained by flying several aircrafts over several years without an accident. Korean Air was an unsafe airline. Might be they have changed a lot today. But it will take several year before the compnay can shed that corporate image and gain confidence of people.
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:03 am

NOT... to be stupid, but is that South Korea Or North Korea? (Joke! relax..)
 
ke086
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:28 am

NOT... to be stupid, but is that South Korea Or North Korea? (Joke! relax..)

Korean Air is from South Korea

Air Koryo is From North Korea
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TinkerBelle
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 13):
I'm of the opinion that OZ's economy product is far superior in all aspects. OZ's membership in SA also beats the pants off of anything KE could possibly offer...where did KE's awards come from?!

Very well said. OZ beats KE hands down in first, biz and Economy. I've flown OZ biz 3 times in the last 3 months and it's by far the best service I've seen, anywhere.

In closing, there's nothing Asiana could possibly do that would give them an uglier livery than KE's horrendous outfit!

I gotta disagree, OZ's lively is herendous. Good thing they are changing it although the new one is probably worse.

Quoting KE086 (Reply 15):
Well Korean Air's Economy class service beats Asiana's for they do not have PTVS in economy but KOrean AIr does in almost all of there fleet

OZ has PTV's in economy on all their 777's and A330's I believe.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
I took this photo of the KE Queen yesterday morning @ ORD..

Oooh boy, here we go.  biggrin 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:23 am

Best First Class? With these seats?!?! And yes according to the caption they are new!  rotfl 

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I understand seating isn't the only aspect of an international F class service but it is a huge factor. An F cabin without a proper suite product isn't worth an award of any kind.

I fail to see that KE could pick up this award, I mean BA won best airline in one of those other meaningless airline award things and that included the complete farce that is the catering strike that went on for MONTHS! Didn't someone say that EK admitted to buying the best airline award for some other company who worked this out.

I'm sorry but airline awards are a waste of time and not worth the paper they are written on.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
12.22.1999 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5F 4:4
Surrey, England (Stansted Airport) HL7451

[pedant]
Stansted isn't in Surrey
[/pedant]
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ksmd11
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:30 am

I flew KE from London to Sapporo via Seoul on 777/333 out and back last Winter. No ptv's but i believe these are being fitted, some B747's already have it. The service in Y was superb on all 4 flights, slightly better on the ICN-CTS sectors, very good leg room on both a/c too, better than BA/VS etc. It was a very pleasant surprise how good they were and i wouldn't have any reservations about flying them again.
 
hoons90
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 10):
Yes, number one on my do not fly list.

Possibly the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot.

Whether you fly KE or not is up to you, of course. But, are you really sure that KE is "the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot"? What exactly makes you think that? As stated above, Korean Air has had a drastic change in the way they operate, and now, their safety standards are very high. Necessary measures have been taken to drastically improve their safety.

Of course, 7 years is not very long, and it will take more time for KE to gain trust. But to blatantly label them as unsafe? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm confident that KE will (re)gain confidence and less people will be hesitant to fly them in the next few years.
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hoons90
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 31):
Best First Class? With these seats?!?! And yes according to the caption they are new!

http://www.koreanair.com/local/kr/gd/eng/ft/ne/eng_ft_ne_060208.htm

About 9 744s and 3 772s have this new product, and more aircraft are being fitted with the new products as we speak.
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Namaskar
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:40 am

I am a regular C/J class traveler to Asia from Europe. I have used KE several times from Europe to ICN and beyond in Prestige Class. In my opinion, KE's inflight service (crews, dining) are amongst the best. On every one of my flights, an attendant or the purser introduced herself to each passenger before take-off, AND before landing thanked each passenger individually for flying with KE ... even when the business cabin was full. Attention to details was superiour to many of my experiences with AF, LH and sometimes even SQ. Further, Incheon airport is one of the best including KE's spacious lounges with free WIFI. When the installation of the new business class prodcut is complete, KE will be amongst my top 3 carriers when I go to Northeast Asia.
 
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 27):
There is nothing to be amazed. You can not prove safety by five years of safe flying.

I'm inclined to agree. I travelled frequently to Korea up to 2002 and made a point of avoiding KE, though sometimes it was unavoidable (a couple of domestic trips and a 777 ride from Seoul to Narita).

7 years may or may not be the start of a statistical trend, or it may or may not be just plain good luck.

However up until '99 their safety record was appalling, with the loss of 7 hulls in 10 years. Put it in perspective, if a major US airline like United lost aircraft at the same rate, it would be one per week, and that would simply be considered unacceptable in N. America, as well it should.

I'd like a little more data before I entrust my life to them. And no I'm not an aviation ninny, I have more hours than I care to count travelling around the world, plus 500 hours of my own as a private pilot and aicraft owner.

Beech.
 
ke086
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:55 am

I Have flown KE all my life and nothing but the best has come from it. I have never had any fears while flying with them for although they have had some bad accidents they have tried to improve from the mistakes and now i believe that they are one of the safest airlines today. I mean i have seen them do saftey checks and i mean they check every little detail. They have changed for the good so i do not see why people are so negitive. I just wanted to show how much KE has changed.
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flight7e7
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:23 am

Just flew, again, KE 86/P (F) JFK/SEL on 10/10/06......772ER...Kosmo Sleeper Seat
Service impeccable as it was KE 82 P (747) JFK/SEL on 6/06/06.

I am a die hard SQ fan, but KE's AVOD system, IMO is the best in the business.....KE has done a complete change in the AVOD choices snice June-whereas SQ is getting lax...same old, same old....month after month.

KE planes are immaculate....

Love the KOSMO SLEEPERS-and the smell of that new leather. Lav in 772 is not to be believed-you can actually put your sleeping zut soot on without being wraped into pretzel shape. Double the size of others.

Way to go KE...looking forward to this Tues. again back to SEL on KE 86....this time in Prestige Plus.....want to see and experience the difference.

By the way, in F, the purser comes and welcomes you on board once you are seated, and again, comes and thanks you for flying KE right before final descent. Nice touch!

We have got a really world class airline emerging here..and all the better for Sky Team-they need it!

Cheers!
 
flight7e7
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 31):



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 31):
Best First Class? With these seats?!?! And yes according to the caption they are new!


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Photo © Diego LAO



I understand seating isn't the only aspect of an international F class service but it is a huge factor. An F cabin without a proper suite product isn't worth an award of any kind.

I fail to see that KE could pick up this award, I mean BA won best airline in one of those other meaningless airline award things and that included the complete farce that is the catering strike that went on for MONTHS! Didn't someone say that EK admitted to buying the best airline award for some other company who worked this out.

I'm sorry but airline awards are a waste of time and not worth the paper they are written on.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
12.22.1999 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5F 4:4
Surrey, England (Stansted Airport) HL7451

[pedant]
Stansted isn't in Surrey
[/pedant]



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 31):
Best First Class? With these seats?!?! And yes according to the caption they are new!


View Large View Medium

Photo © Diego LAO



I understand seating isn't the only aspect of an international F class service but it is a huge factor. An F cabin without a proper suite product isn't worth an award of any kind.

I fail to see that KE could pick up this award, I mean BA won best airline in one of those other meaningless airline award things and that included the complete farce that is the catering strike that went on for MONTHS! Didn't someone say that EK admitted to buying the best airline award for some other company who worked this out.

I'm sorry but airline awards are a waste of time and not worth the paper they are written on.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
12.22.1999 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5F 4:4
Surrey, England (Stansted Airport) HL7451

[pedant]
Stansted isn't in Surrey
[/pedant]

HOWEVER, NOT ALL THE REFURBISHMENTS ARE DONE...go to www.koreanair.com and take a careful look at F and C new seating. F -P now, named Kosmo and C now named Prestige Plus...

Yes old seats are hardly noteworthy, but give credit where credit is due!

Cheers.
 
JetSetter001
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:30 am

Both Business and Firt look quite comfortable. But a different colour would bring even more flair to the cabin, I don´t like the mint green. But well done Korean Air Wink
 
ke086
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:58 am

The Celedon Green is cultural to Korea For most of the pottery in korea has the color Celedon. If you look closer to the seat there are like oriental clouds and mountains.
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kaukau
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:20 am

Hot Tip: Korean Air First Class Pax waiting at LAS McCarran International Terminal 2, now have access to the VIP Ultra-Lounge near gate 4. If you are holding a First Class BP, do not hesitate to enjoy some VIP Las Vegas-style hospitality, complimentary!
 
777fan
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:41 am

Please allow me to elaborate my earlier post:

While I've questioned KE's service, livery and comfort levels, it's not so much the level at which they're provided (it's still better than practically every US carrier) but rather the fact that it's "award winning". I've flown extensively on KE, OZ, and TG extensively around Asia and found KE's product no better than the other two. OZ and TG had better food in Y class, while OZ's interior livery was more appealing than KE's purple and aquamarine seat variation. KE's service has been efficient but OZ and TG's Y-class is downright obsessive-compulsive (in a good way). TG's food has always been great and while both KE and OZ tout their Y-class offering of bi bim bap, I found OZ's to be better every time.

As mentioned, I haven't had the pleasure of flying any of the carriers' first or biz class but have seen what's offered and read enough TRs to have an idea that KE's product while good, simply cannot be the best in Asia.

In terms of the livery, I'll take OZ's current or pending livery over KE's blue hue anyday, twice on Tuesdays and three times on anyday I'm scheduled to fly!

Finally, KE's safety record, while atrocious in the past, has improved dramatically. The crash in Guam a few years ago resulted in KE being limited in it's flight to/from the US and served as a huge wakeup call for the carrier. While I generally opt to fly OZ, I would have no problem flying KE although I must admit that the dramatic nature of some of the accidents is hard to forget. Sadly, some carriers never shake the reputation and are forced to take other measure to overcome it - remember ValuJet (now AirTran)???

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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 24):
I cannot speak for Mr MAX Q, but!!!! take a look at AY and QF. Is that enough. Look at their safety record over the past 40 years!

Sorry, but that's not enough. 40 years doesn't qualify an airline since we're talking about almost perfect safety records. AY has had accidents in both 1961 and 1963. As for QF, they had a 747 incident in Bangkok in September 1999, blamed on poor pilot training.

I say again, can you name me a perfectly safe airline? If not, then no airline is supposedly "safe" to fly on, according to those judging KE.

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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 22):
Most airlines have had some kind of accident or incident or have been involved in at least a safety risk somewhere along their history. Can you name me one that has not? If you are judging KE that harshly then I have to assume you don't fly by airplane.

To be fair the problems at KE were not just a string of bad luck but were symptomatic of systemic problems that permeated every safety-related aspect of the airline. This is why S. Korea was downgraded to cat. 2 status by the FAA for a time, and why the airline lived under the cloud of investigation from its own government.

That being said KE's turnaround has been remarkable. Their safety record in the past 7 years has been spotless, not because of dumb luck but because KE has changed the way that they do business at every level of the airline. Management realized (with a little arm twisting) the problems behind that dredful safety record and went about fixing them, now all those efforts are paying dividends as they are apparently putting out a superior product as well.

As has been said in this thread only time will repair the airline's image in many people's minds, but KE is doing all that they can.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Namaskar (Reply 35):
I am a regular C/J class traveler to Asia from Europe. I have used KE several times from Europe to ICN and beyond in Prestige Class. In my opinion, KE's inflight service (crews, dining) are amongst the best. On every one of my flights, an attendant or the purser introduced herself to each passenger before take-off, AND before landing thanked each passenger individually for flying with KE ... even when the business cabin was full. Attention to details was superiour to many of my experiences with AF, LH and sometimes even SQ. Further, Incheon airport is one of the best including KE's spacious lounges with free WIFI. When the installation of the new business class prodcut is complete, KE will be amongst my top 3 carriers when I go to Northeast Asia.

Very well said. OZ's business class lounges in ICN are kick ass too. I really think OZ is one of the most underrated airlines in the world....especially their business class on the 772's.

Quoting Flight7E7 (Reply 38):
By the way, in F, the purser comes and welcomes you on board once you are seated, and again, comes and thanks you for flying KE right before final descent. Nice touch!

Same thing happens with OZ. They even called me by my last name (and said it correctly) which is not the easiest of names to pronounce.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 43):
While I generally opt to fly OZ

I'll take OZ over either any day of the week.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:33 am

I'd love to try Korean. Just for fun i put in a flight FRA - BKK next year in april with stop in Seoul of course.

price in economy was 2991€....... for that i can go Business class on almost any airline in europe. Looks like i will never fly KE even if i wanted to.
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:35 am

I can't believe what I'm reading here. According to the statistics in reply eight, 710 people (passengers and crew) have died in KE accidents, and that includes the 269 people in the plane that was shot down over Russia.

In comparison, more than 40,000 people die every year in car accidents in the USA alone. No matter which airline you choose - be it QF, KE or SU - flying will always be a lot safer than driving a car.

I assume that people who refuse to fly KE because of their bad safety record also refuse to drive a car?
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RedChili
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RE: Korean Air Is Number ONE!

Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 47):
I'd love to try Korean. Just for fun i put in a flight FRA - BKK next year in april with stop in Seoul of course.

price in economy was 2991€....... for that i can go Business class on almost any airline in europe. Looks like i will never fly KE even if i wanted to.

I'm sure that you can get it a lot cheaper than that. Right now, I test-booked two separate trips on gotogate.se (since you've got the Swedish flag), one trip ARN-ICN and one trip ICN-BKK in April next year. For ARN-ICN, I came up with a price of SEK 9751 with OK (operated by KE), and SEK 6506 for ICN-BKK with DL (also operated by KE). That's around 1700 euros.

You could also search for tickets to ICN on AF, as they have code-share flights between CDG-ICN. You'll probably be able to get a ticket for around SEK 8000. And if you fly to Asia on any SkyTeam airline, you can get three coupons for intra-Asian flights for 750 dollars, of four coupons for 980 dollars. Four coupons would give you the possibility of visiting Seoul plus two more Asian cities. So if you really want to fly on KE; you can probably get six flights for around SEK 15,000.
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