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More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:55 am

I have read in past threads about proposals for more new Delta Connection (SkyWest) routes from SLC. A few rumors I have heard were routes from SLC to Santa Fe, Flagstaff, and Amarillo. Delta used to serve Amarillo from DFW, but ended the service when the DFW hub was closed. Santa Fe and Flagstaff IMO, are rather underserved airports. Santa Fe only has service to DEN, and Flagstaff only has service to PHX. For comparison, Bismarck, North Dakota, with a lower population than Santa Fe, has much more service, including MAINLINE Northwest. I am pretty sure that if Santa Fe can support their service to DEN, they would possibly be able to support SLC service. Another destination that was never mentioned is Farmington (FMN), New Mexico's #2 airport in terms of traffic. FMN would be a good addition IMO. What are your thoughts.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:16 am

I think FMN's chances went way down when they started SLC-DRO. As for the others, they're probably on the radar.
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Santa Fe and Flagstaff IMO, are rather underserved airports.

I definitely agree. The drive from PHX to Flag is not the best. People coming from DL hubs would rather not drive that. NAU is growing and the area needs to be served from places other than PHX.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
FMN would be a good addition IMO.


Yeah, I'm not so sure about FMN. As stated by Fews, DRO's addition has deadened FMN's chances severely.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:10 am

Could flagstaff even handle CRJ service from SLC?(DL would most likely use this a/c) The runway is about 7000ft at an altitude of 7014ft. Would the EM2 be a better choice for this flight?
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 3):
Could flagstaff even handle CRJ service from SLC?(DL would most likely use this a/c) The runway is about 7000ft at an altitude of 7014ft. Would the EM2 be a better choice for this flight?

The tanks need only be half full and they could use the CR7 with leading edge slats. It may hold more than desired, but I'm sure it could make it. The EM2 would be a good choice, but DL could market the CRJ or CR7 as FLG's only jet service. It could also be marketed as the Gateway to the Grand Canyon.

Santa Fe would be intersting because of the skiing nearby. I remember back in the Summer of 2001 when on a long roadtrip a HP billboard just outside of Albuquerque that said "If you flew with us, you'd be in Santa Fe by now." And had a 737 tail on it. These flights ended shortly after but I don't know when.

Does the CRJ have a large enough cargo hold to carry multiple pairs of skis? This is important for people flying into DRO and other skiing destinations that do not want to rent.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:32 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 4):
Does the CRJ have a large enough cargo hold to carry multiple pairs of skis? This is important for people flying into DRO and other skiing destinations that do not want to rent.

Yes there is room for skis in CRJ cargo holds. SLC sees a lot of skis in the winter.
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:05 pm

Quoting COIAH756CA (Reply 2):
The drive from PHX to Flag is not the best.

Too many AZHPs out to write citations and make the JP some money along I-17! I'm sure they have a nice database of all the rentals from Sky Harbor and especially target them for something as ludicrous as 1mph over posted!  gnasher 
Some other possibilities for DL CRJ service or EMB-120 service from SLC:
Arizona:
Yuma
California:
Redding
Washington
Yakima
New Mexico:
Farmington (Although Durango makes this doubtful)
Roswell
Texas:
Amarillo  checkmark 
Lubbock
McAllen
Corpus Christi
Kansas:
Topeka
North Dakota:
Bismarck
Grand Forks (New service to YGW puts this in doubt however as well as Fargo)
MEXICO:
Hermosilo
Acapulco
La Paz
CANADA:
British Columbia
Victoria (Make year around!)
Alberta
Lethbridge (this one has a good chance of working considering the numbers from this part of the province who use GTF, FCA/GPI or travel up to YYC)
Saskatchewan
Regina
Saskatoon
Please put any others on the list DL hasn't covered that might work. SLC is crawling with SkyWest CRJ-100/200 a/c and can handle more!
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Too many AZHPs out to write citations and make the JP some money along I-17

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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Lubbock

One could only cross their fingers and hope. That would allow me to avoid about 3 hrs worth of headache associated with DFW...
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:41 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Arizona:
Yuma

Is there really a major market here? UA Express already serves Yuma to LAX via Imperial on the EM2 and HP Express serves Yuma to PHX with the DH8. The only people in Yuma are predominantly USMC and Border Patrol. (I can't think of any reason other than that to live in Yuma. So HOT!) Besides more options I really can't think of why this would be a good route. FLG has definantly more possibilities.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:33 pm

I'm guessing people are forgetting years and years ago when Delta did serve Flagstaff with Skywest Airlines flying their Metroliners into FLG. That's why the second counter in FLG still has the blue carpet behind the countertop, its from the Delta Connection service probably ten years ago or more.

About 3-4 years ago, Skywest officials were in PRC looking at the community and toured the airport with an option to open with nonstop EM2 flights to SLC. In my opinion, I would rather have the EM2 compared to a CRJ.
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:38 pm

Yuma  checkmark 
Redding  checkmark  (or Chico)
Yakima  checkmark 
Amarillo  checkmark 
Bismarck  checkmark 
Hermosillo  checkmark 
Regina  checkmark 
Saskatoon  checkmark 
Farmington — NO, too close to DRO
Roswell — unlikely, too small for the distance
Lubbock — NO, too small for the distance
McAllen — far, but a big market
Corpus Christi NO
Topeka — NO, they haven't even reinstated ICT
Grand Forks NO
Acapulco — when ATL and LAX planes are full
La Paz — see how
Lethbridge — no comment

Stockton — probably one of the best unserved markets
Chico — possibly instead of RDD
Santa Rosa — Sonoma & alternate for North Bay
San Luis Obispo (CA) — time to wean off the American Eagle teat
Victorville — maybe more than just a parking lot?
Eureka/Arcata — to fully cover the coast
Olympia — is there enough draw from southern Puget Sound?
Tijuana — close to SAN, but not an insignificant market
Wichita — return to mainline ATL may be bellwether
Charlotte — an overdue battle with US
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:10 am

Nice to see Santa fe(my hometown) on that list althought the fliight will probally cost 3x as much as a flight from ABQ(50 miles away). So many do choose ABQ.
 
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
Redding (or Chico)

I think Redding has the better facility and CRJ flights to SLC and LAX would do very well and compete with the UA service to SFO and LAX. SLC will give the people in the north state more options. Both Redding and Chico are the fastest growing communities in the north state (much more so than Eureka/Arcata). Redding (RDD) is much more centrally located in the greater north state region.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
Acapulco --- when ATL and LAX planes are full

ACA is one of two remaining Mexico tropical getaways currently not having direct service to SLC. Seasonal service from November through May might be a serious option to look into for the Delta network personnel.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 10):
About 3-4 years ago, Skywest officials were in PRC looking at the community and toured the airport with an option to open with nonstop EM2 flights to SLC. In my opinion, I would rather have the EM2 compared to a CRJ.

The turbo-prop would work better for going into Prescott, and that is definitely another possibility for DL from SLC.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
Victorville --- maybe more than just a parking lot?

I'm not sure the high Desert is ready for such, and it is best left as a graveyard for obsolete or unneeded a/c. The proximity to ONT in the Inland Empire also hurts this option as well.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
Charlotte --- an overdue battle with US

This one would have to be a mainline flight right out of the gate or at least tried as a Shuttle America flight on an EMB-170 (CLT is at least half an hour beyond ATL in flight time). But you're right that DL & HP/US are essentially playing a game of chicken to see who blinks first and jumps at this route. PIT is another game of chicken between these two for service to SLC.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
Lethbridge --- no comment

YQL is only half an hour away from the U.S. Border crossing at Sweetgrass, and some of the US Customs/Border officers there can be redeployed at flight times to do a pre-clearence check relatively easily. YQL is under served and needs a trans-border flight. SLC would be a much better O&D option than SEA on AS/Horizon or DEN on UA Express due to the religious demography of this part of Alberta.

[Edited 2006-10-15 19:30:56]
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:26 am

Any chance for mainline service to RIC? MD90 or 738 perhaps?
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
Any chance for mainline service to RIC? MD90 or 738 perhaps?

An idea, but not very likely. ATL and CVG are still your connecting points for trans-cons for markets the size of RIC. If anything and EMB-170 on Shuttle America "MIGHT" be tried.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:03 am

Finally! AMA-SLC service discussion  Smile Ive been hoping this route would come true for ages. what are its chances? and what aircraft do you think would be probable for its use (if it were to be instated). A couple CR2s daily just to get their feet wet?





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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):
for markets the size of RIC.

It's a big enough market to use a 757 RIC-ATL.
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RE: More Delta Connection Routes From SLC

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:33 am

note, for once in civ av, a post of mine does not have anything AMA related in it ( melting   optimist   shhh   Wow!}



What cities (Main ones, say, top two-three) do you think skywest should target first?


(since its too late to edit my last post i had to post again, sorry! )



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