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ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:07 am

It seems that every time I arrive in Atlanta, I am always at one end of the terminal. It also seems that every time I arrive in Atlanta, I arrive late. Has ATL ever considered moving walkways? I constantly see people running through ATL. If ATL did get moving walkways I think it should be walking ones only. NO standing or blocking others behind you. Thoughts?
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:22 am

They have them down below with the trains but not in the actual terminals.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:30 am

Think about how many people you've probably seen in the terminals when you were walking/running through them. Moving walkways might clog things up even more since they would take up a good bit of space and block people from easily crossing from one side of the terminal to the other. They would be nice though if they could work. I lived in Atlanta until about a month and a half ago, so I've used ATL tons of times. I always seem to be at the ends too!
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:34 am

Well, if they put them on the sides of the corridors, then how would that block people from crossing the terminal. On the subject, how is ATL. Havn't been there in a while and is it still dumpy as heck?
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:36 am

I've always thought that would be a definite customer service upgrade in ATL. The only reason I can see for not doing it other than the obvious cost issues is that the corridors are relativily narrow and adding moving walkways in both directions would take up about 1/3 of the corridor space. It might for that reason actually add to the congestion during busy times.

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
NO standing or blocking others behind you. Thoughts?

How would you enforce this? Kick an elderly or disabled pax off the walk way?  scratchchin 

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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Flyboy14295 (Reply 3):
Havn't been there in a while and is it still dumpy as heck?

I don't think it is dumpy at all. There is a lot of construction going on but not dumpy. Now is it the nicest airport I have ever been in? Not even close.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 4):
How would you enforce this? Kick an elderly or disabled pax off the walk way?

Elderly or disabled pax? Isn't that what wheelchairs are for?
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:23 am

ATL is old - lots of the C and D concourses are 'dumpy'. Smoking rooms in C have the roof falling in, not enough rest rooms in D, food is generally lousy.

The trains are nice, but wow - what a rough start and stop they have - can barely stay upright.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Flyboy14295 (Reply 3):
Well, if they put them on the sides of the corridors, then how would that block people from crossing the terminal.

If they put them on sides, the sitting areas at the gates will be blocked, and I'm sure the vendors wouldn't be happy either  Wink .
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:03 am

There is no good way to put walkways in ATL concourses - the corridors are just too narrow. When I was there last year the A and B concourses were crowded as can be. There was barely room for people, let alone walkways.

Though I do agree about always being late into ATL - luckily my plane leaving was late too!
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 7):
The trains are nice, but wow - what a rough start and stop they have - can barely stay upright.

I experienced this when I first got on.

"please hold on, the train is departing"  Yeah sure Yeh, ok

"Oh Sh*t"  Wow!

They don't half have some stopping power either!
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:11 am

did you know that the ATL train system is ranked as the one of the top 10 in the world in terms of passengers carried?

There just isnt' enough room to add moving walkways in the concourses in ATL. That's why when DL built CVG it made the concourses wide enough to have moving sidewalks and still have plenty of room for walkers.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
Elderly or disabled pax? Isn't that what wheelchairs are for?

You haven't used moving walkways very much, have you?

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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
did you know that the ATL train system is ranked as the one of the top 10 in the world in terms of passengers carried?

It would be no. 1 in that particular top 10 by the way  Smile
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:25 am

What about the train system in terms of comfort, convenience and safety? Where does Atlanta rate there?

To be honest, ATL is an ugly old airport, and I fly in and out of Detroit, Minneapolis, O'Hare, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Memphis, Boston, etc. all the time. Yes, in ATL I can make my connection, but it's down at the bottom of my favorite airports - only Logan (Boston) is further down, and Logan because you can't get into or out of the airport on the ground
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
Has ATL ever considered moving walkways?

Not sure if they have considered them but the room, especially in the busstop concourse that is D is lacking.

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
If ATL did get moving walkways I think it should be walking ones only. NO standing or blocking others behind you.

Good luck enforcing that one. Give people the opportunity to be lazy and they willl use it. I had to pretty much yell at a lady on the moving sidewalk last week between A & B because she was standing on the left and had her bags sitting on the right. After three times of saying excuse me I got pretty grumpy with her.

Quoting Flyboy14295 (Reply 3):
Havn't been there in a while and is it still dumpy as heck?

I see you are from Westchester so why don't you cover the "dumpiness" of JFK, LGA, and EWR while you're at it? ATL is not the nicest set of concourses in the world but they are working at improving them every day.
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 12):
You haven't used moving walkways very much, have you?

I suppose not. Your point?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
Give people the opportunity to be lazy and they willl use it. I had to pretty much yell at a lady on the moving sidewalk last week between A & B because she was standing on the left and had her bags sitting on the right. After three times of saying excuse me I got pretty grumpy with her.

LOL, don't you just hate that? I think we should enforce the 'stand to the right rule' everywhere in the U.S. as it is in most of Europe.
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 16):
I suppose not. Your point?

What you quoted from DeltaGator is part of my point the other part is that many people are too "proud" to use wheelchairs but have no qualms standing on the moving walkways either unwilling or unable to get out of your way. I felt that you would have had more empathy for what I stated had you been on very many walkways. I hope you didn't take offense to what I said. I didn't mean to insult you.  Smile

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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:20 am

Actually there are now moving walkways raised above the floor on the E concourse, just before immigration. You won't see them unless you arrive on a international flight.
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:28 am

ATL is what it is. I stay away from it unless ATL is my final destination or I have no other choice.


One of my big complaints is the terminal trains - someone needs to take them off of Indy 500 mode. I rode one one yesterday that was tossing people around like pinballs.
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:59 pm

I rode the train friday after not being on it for 7 years (I fly UA so I never need it but I went to get food in E)...and yeah, I almost fell over the first time. I mean wtf, are they tryin to kill people? And I thought MARTA was bad...

As far as moving walkways, they have them at ORD T1 and they don't seem to take up that much space, although I think ATL's concourses are not as wide...but overall I think it would probably be a worthwhile idea...
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:49 pm

most of the carpet in the concourses are being replaced with nice looking floors. I'm not sure what your idea of dumpy is, but I would rather have functional then nice looking. I don't go to an airport to admire the building, or paintings or whatever. I go to fly to another destination. That's just me.

Whenever I connected via ATL, I would always make sure I had a 2 hour layover. I've run from C32 to A24 before with 15 mins to make it. It sucked.

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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:47 pm

I, too, have been to ATL and NO the buildings AREN'T wide enough for that. But what about doing like DFW or DTW and building an overhead TRAIN on all the concourses? Or perhaps overhead WALKWAYS like in E.

What would REALLY be neat is for ATL to build a enough gates on the south side of the complex so that the old concourses could be torn down one by one with only three concourses rebuilt (rather than four). They could be spaced wide enough for moving sidewalks inside and better maneuverability on the field. Those old concourses ARE pretty dumpy.

The outsides of the concourses remind me of C/D at IAD; the insides remind me of CO at IAH.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 22):
But what about doing like DFW or DTW and building an overhead TRAIN on all the concourses?

Too expensive and too short to make it worthwhile. The McNamara terminal at DTW is almost a mile long, while the concourses at ATL each are only 0.39-0.48mi long. Add in a stop in the middle for the train, and you have 0.24mi segments. By the time all boarding has been done and the train is set to go, you might as well just have walked.

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 22):
Or perhaps overhead WALKWAYS like in E.

E only has an overhead area because arriving int'l pax have to be kept seperated from departing pax. The walkways have been added because there they actually make sense as far as taking up place goes.

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 22):
What would REALLY be neat is for ATL to build a enough gates on the south side of the complex so that the old concourses could be torn down one by one with only three concourses rebuilt (rather than four).

I don't even want to go into how many billions such a move would cost.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:44 am

Just use the legs God gave you for their intended purpose.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
I don't even want to go into how many billions such a move would cost.

:D I meant to add something like that as a disclaimer. I don't think anything like that would EVER happen! I know better!

But the airport could be made to accomodate that last scenario.
 
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:48 am

why change? What we have now works. A little walking is good for you.
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 24):
Just use the legs God gave you for their intended purpose.

It's not the point that we are being lazy. The point is that when we arrive in ATL the majority of the time we are a little late and we want to make sure and make our flight. Haven't you seen all those people running through everyone else to get to their gate in ATL?
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RE: ATL With Moving Walkways. How Bout It?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:21 am

Why haven't airports thought up an idea like a moving walkway tram, where the walkway is completely on its own in a tunnel sort thing. They could make them move a bit faster and wider, without clogging up the rest of the terminal.
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