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Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:05 pm

The article states that within 2 years they'll have 26 747-400F (didn't break down existing new build F's and BCFs). Additionally, they are looking at 777-200F's and 747-8F's. Also states that they'll be placing a pax order by year end. Here's the statement.

fair use except:

According to Lee, before year-end, Korean Air will decide on a major aircraft order to add to its passenger fleet. The airline is looking at the Boeing 787 (of which it has already ordered 10), the 747-8 and the 777-300ER, in addition to the 747-8F and the 777F. Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:15 pm

Quote:
Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.

This is actually the first time i hear this since airlines make the choice between 787/A350...
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1):
Quote:
Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.


This is actually the first time i hear this since airlines make the choice between 787/A350...

Perhaps it's because they have already selected the 787.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 2):
Perhaps it's because they have already selected the 787.

I think it has more reasons, but i think i won't have to explain what i mean  Wink


i mean, SQ orderd the A350 after they already orderd the 787...
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 2):
Perhaps it's because they have already selected the 787.



Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
mean, SQ orderd the A350 after they already orderd the 787...

The 350 competes with the 787 AND the 777, so it is a question of which models, as they actually dovetail quite well and do not really match pound for pound seat for seat anyways.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:28 pm

For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.

The other reason for their Boeing-Preference this time could also be the political situation right now.As we all know South Korea is seeking for military assistance from the US, so a Boeing order is political correct right now.

I think that is more than understandable.

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 5):
For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.

The other reason for their Boeing-Preference this time could also be the political situation right now.As we all know South Korea is seeking for military assistance from the US, so a Boeing order is political correct right now.

I think that is more than understandable.

They only make the tailcone for the 787, hardly a major piece like the main fuselage.

SK also gets military assistance from a lot of other countries aside from the US and KAL is an independent company. If they are to make an order politics and other economic considerations are really not going to be factor. The only factor is which aircraft is best of its needs. BTW year end is in ten weeks. Not too long before KAL and few other majors decide on what they want to order.

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:53 pm

Why dont we also consider the fact that they might find the 787 more atractive to their buisness plan and airline requirments ?? Another reason could be that they do have cozy relationship with boeing and the 787 could offer ofset discount on the F-15K deal or the 737AEW which has been selected !! There are numerous reasons which could explain their explaination but we have to seriously consider the fact they they dont know what and when the XWB is going to come out and they have allready ordered the 787 so it should be a much safer descision specially if they are looking at the -8 varient !

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:59 pm

For them to say they are "NOT" looking at the A350 is a slap for something they did or didnt do.We all know what it is.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Or

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 7):
Another reason could be that they do have cozy relationship with boeing and the 787 could offer ofset discount on the F-15K deal or the 737AEW which has been selected !!

KE is a private company. They could care less what the army pays for their toys.

Quoting Scaledesigns (Reply 8):
For them to say they are "NOT" looking at the A350 is a slap for something they did or didnt do.

I dont understand this kind of announcements. OZ did exactely the same when talking about the 748i and the A350 (before its current proposal). You could atleast pretend, in order not to pay a premium for the aircraft you want.

Quoting UAL747-600 (Thread starter):
According to Lee, before year-end, Korean Air will decide on a major aircraft order to add to its passenger fleet. The airline is looking at the Boeing 787 (of which it has already ordered 10), the 747-8 and the 777-300ER, in addition to the 747-8F and the 777F. Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.

Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 9):
Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.

The source is this week's Aviation Weekly and Space Technology as mentioned in the subject header.
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 5):
For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.

It must be interesting living in a world where every order is conducted primarily for political reasons.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:28 am

I believe that KE's upcoming order will be an all Boeing order both for freighter/passanger expansion.

Wonder if they are looking at the 748i and 772LR?
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 10):
The source is this week's Aviation Weekly and Space Technology as mentioned in the subject header.

I couldn't make that out of 'Avweek', but thanks for clarifying.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:15 am

With the current fiasco over the production delays of the A380, it remains to be seen when the A350 would see the light of day!  Confused

It makes sense for KE to stick to Boeing as the 777-300ER is already flying and the 787 prototype is under construction  checkmark 
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 14):
With the current fiasco over the production delays of the A380, it remains to be seen when the A350 would see the light of day!

It makes sense for KE to stick to Boeing as the 777-300ER is already flying and the 787 prototype is under construction

Agree it's likely that they need planes before 2012 so they'll have to go for either/or/and 787 777 - unless they want some cheap A330s?
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:44 am

@N328KF

"Quoting Johnny (Reply 5):
For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.

It must be interesting living in a world where every order is conducted primarily for political reasons"

I guess you quoted the wrong part of my post...Funny!
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:06 am

First up, SQ has signed a LOI for the A350XWB only, largely because no one knows quite what this plane will be yet and when it will be it. And for the very same reason, plus the fact that the A350 is projected to not fully compete with the 787, KE has ruled the plane out. Can you blame them? Business HATES uncertainty and that's exactly what Airbus keeps dishing up in spades.

I would expect a 773ER and 748F order combination.
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:20 am

If KE is for real on getting the 773ER where in there network would they fly this a/c or would this order be meant for expansion?
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:22 am

I think KE has already commited to the B787 and are very happy with their B777s.

So it is absolutely ok that they rule out the A350.


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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 9):
Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.

This is also from the same article and suggests KE won't order 380Fs:

By contrast, Choi all but rules out an order for the Airbus A380
freighter, saying that containers and infrastructure provisions are
not compatible with the aircraft. With Korean Air's high share of
transit freight, the airline is particularly keen to standardize
containers and procedures.
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 20):
By contrast, Choi all but rules out an order for the Airbus A380
freighter, saying that containers and infrastructure provisions are
not compatible with the aircraft. With Korean Air's high share of
transit freight, the airline is particularly keen to standardize
containers and procedures.

Interesting reasoning...

With all due respect, I hope Korean Air kept such details "hidden" until the purchase price was agreed upon!  Wink

I'm amazed by how fast freight is growing. (Note I didn't say suprised.) ICN looks to be growing into a nice pax and frieght hub!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:25 pm

Not to be overlooked is an additional order for 737NGs. Perhaps wingleting their existing fleet of 738s.

When are they going to replace the remaining fleet of A300s? Though not very old yet, fleet numbers are small, relative speaking to other aircraft families KE operates. While not a direct seat-per-seat basis replacement, the 739ER would be a good replacement plane. Increase frequencies and where KE can't like on NRT-PUS/CJU, the larger A333 could be used.
 
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Or

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 20):
This is also from the same article and suggests KE won't order 380Fs:

Correct, however when the article was published I reffered to the A380F was still an option. The delays of the A380 has cost Airbus a potential A380F customer it seems.

From the article,

"Choi explained that the carrier is "still weighing" which aircraft to order but has narrowed its choices down to the 777F and 747-8F. It "was interested in the A380 freighter, but it's too late now [given the delays to A380 production]," he said. "There is not much option left in [the long-haul freighter] market," and the airline "probably" will order both Boeing types."

The wording is a bit strange. Why 'probably'? Is Airbus having a shot at it with the soon to be launched A332F or perhaps a A345F?

As for the passenger aircraft,

from the article,

"Korean Air President and COO Jong Hee Lee said the 777-300ER and 747-8 passenger version also are under consideration. VP-Strategy Development Keehong Woo added that an order for new passenger aircraft is forthcoming. "We need more aircraft in the future and we are talking with Boeing and Airbus," he said. When asked to characterize the size of the order to be placed, he said, "It's not small."

No word on the A350 being rejected...

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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 23):
No word on the A350 being rejected...

except they may want their planes before 2014/15
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 22):
Not to be overlooked is an additional order for 737NGs. Perhaps wingleting their existing fleet of 738s

More 737NG's will be on the way and yes, some will be fitted with winglets.
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:34 am

Just a little note about the 787 and Korea.
They have a direct contract to build the tail cone. However, there are some subcontracts from Mitsubishi, Kawasaki and Fuji Heavy with Korean companies. Not to mention there are direct and some subcontracts from Japanese companies for the 777 and 737s with Korean companies.

The Korean carriers tend to get overlooked when it comes to the big orders. But KE could be one of the first 747-8I customers. And no doubt they will get the 747-8F or even the 772F as KE has one of the largest cargo ops (not package...cargo) in the world.

Could KE use a 772LR to start non-stop Africa or Northern South American?
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RE: Korean Air Article In Avweek - Upcoming KAL Order

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
mean, SQ ordered the A350 after they already ordered the 787...

SQ signed a letter of intent to purchase 20 A350XWB's! So now I think that SQ will not firm the order since they firm up their order for 20 Boeing 787-912's on October 11, 2006, though SQ might still consider purchasing the A350XWB.

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