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Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:00 am

Hello All,

I've been looking around on the site lately and I haven't read anything about any aviation in the Caribbean  ashamed 

Anybody have any news about any of the Airline's new routes/skeds/aircraft/news?

Have any non-Caribbean airlines released their winter timetables for the Caribbean?

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:58 am

well BWIA is going through a whole process and changing to Caribbean Airways. There are numerous threads on that.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:03 am

BWIA, soon to be Caribbean Airlines, revealing its new livery, soon to start ops Jan1st...

Caribbean Star and LIAT possible merger, start up date Jan 1st as well.

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
I've been looking around on the site lately and I haven't read anything about any aviation in the Caribbean

On the contrary, quite a lot of serious news in a short period of time. Things are a bit exciting in the world of Caribbean Aviation these days.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:24 am

One update is that AA is upgrading its JFK-PUJ service to an A300. That's a nice welcome from the routine B757. That's all I know for now.
 
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:08 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
BWIA, soon to be Caribbean Airlines, revealing its new livery, soon to start ops Jan1st...

I checked it out, I'm not too into bland euro-white liveries, but this one is actually ok. Although the hummingbird doesn't make up for the steel pan  wink 

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
I'm going to miss BWee at IAD

I am going to miss BW, period. Big grin I am not a big fan of the new livery, though better than a few eurowhites, stil not the green and gold pan livery.

And anyone know if AA has plans for other caribbean routes, say... Grenada? Of am I just wishing.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:13 pm

Some rumor's about CO drop Ponce P.R (PSE) to EWR route on 2007.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:09 pm

There seems to be a lot of Caribbean news right now. Caribbean Airlines has revealed its new paint-scheme - it looks spectacular but with so much white it would need to be kept quite clean for maximum effect. Caribbean Airlines also becomes the first to fly the Caricom flag on its planes, akin to the EU flag displayed on many planes operated by EU carriers.

LI and Caribbean Star (8B) are seeking to merge, something which could consolidate air services in the region. So, it seems as though everything is happening in the Eastern Caribbean. Little seems to be coming out of Jamaica, The Bahamas, Cuba though - it would be interesting to know if there are any new developments up there.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:49 pm

CM to POS, was programmed to start this past July, but it was postponed.
POS has been on CM's website on-and-off quite frequently for online ticket sales.
It's believed it'll be operating this December, not sure if daily as it was 1st announced.
Aditional KIN, PAP flights and new service to AUA, CUR, BGI, SXM, GEO, PBM, BZE, GCM... keep waiting.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8):
Aditional KIN, PAP flights and new service to AUA, CUR, BGI, SXM, GEO, PBM, BZE, GCM... keep waiting.

Are all those for sure or still waiting?????

POS is confirmed for Dec.

Also in Dec new to POS is DL from ATL w/ 738!!!!!!!!!

Jan 1st Caribbean Airlines takes off for the first time.

Also the GOTT is in negotiations with MX to have a MEX-POS flight soon!!!

GOTT wants to turn POS into a Caribbean hub w/ cheap fuel, cheap landing fees, good infrastructure, ample hotel rooms, attractions etc. Good luck to them- I would love to see LAN fly from SCL and BA fly into POS from London.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8):
new service to AUA, CUR, BGI, SXM, GEO, PBM, BZE, GCM... keep waiting.

Can you tell us more info on start date's.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 10):
Can you tell us more info on start date's

I only know that sometime next year the KIN flight will most likely be combined with MBJ. I'm sure all those destinations I mention earlier are in being studied at the moment and are good candidates for E190 service.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:18 pm

The rumour of CM wanting to fly to CUR has been going on for more than a year with no confirmation so far so I believe it when I see it. So far, no news about that here in CUR.

Some more news from CUR:

Insel Air is working on getting their first MD82 from Air Adriatic with whom they want to co-operate as many pilots at Air Adriatic who flew for LM/K8 will now return to CUR to fly for Insel Air, the "new" airline of CUR. Insel Air started operations in August with a single EMB110. See my photo here:


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But, since a week ago Insel Air has been leasing a DHC6 Twin Otter from Grenadines Airways as their own EMB110 is on the ground due to technical problems, see my photo of Grenadines Airways in CUR here:


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Meanwhile DAE (9H) is protesting again against Insel Air's plans to start flying to SXM from CUR. DAE now claims Insel Air is not allowed to ever fly to SXM from CUR as they don't have the rights to fly the route (don't ask how, I don't understand it either). Besides this, the law in the Netherlands Antilles says that the air connection between the two islands must not be over-served so I wonder how the governments will rule on this route once both airlines are flying between CUR and SXM. The battle between DAE and Insel Air keeps going as both airlines have exactly the same regional expansion plans and refuse to work together. DAE plans on using the F100 on regional routes in the Caribbean and South America while Insel Air is working on using the MD82 with ex-LM/K8 crew to start regional routes in the Caribbean, South America and the U.S. Insel Air indicated they want to eventually fly all the routes that were once served by LM/K8.

Other rumour from the forum here is that Caribbean Airlines is looking at CUR but these are only rumours and nothing is said to be expected soon....

MP will start flying to CUR again starting the end of this month with a single weekly flight and a second weekly flight planned starting in November. The flight will be operated on sundays via BGI while the second flight will be a nonstop flight.

Arkefly (OR) will also increase their number of flights to CUR from three to four flights per week. The new fourth flight will make a stop in BON.

Other possible European charterflights to CUR might come from the U.K. and Germany.

It is almost time for the Canadian charter season when looking at last year but so far I haven't seen any Canadian charterflights to CUR yet so hopefully they will start soon. Usually 9G (Skyservice) operates these flights but having another Canadian airline fly these charters would be great too. I would love to see AC fly to CUR on a seasonal basis just like how they do with AUA and SXM. Time will tell....

Just like Canada it is also time for the Ecuador charter flights to start but again I have not seen the first charter flights from UIO yet. Last year AeroGal flew the route in October but after that TAME took over the route. TAME is reported to be very satisfied with the flights as they have been doing charter flights to CUR almost the entire year this year. I just hope they will also use the ERJ190 to CUR instead of the A320 which I'm used too....

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
GOTT is in negotiations with MX to have a MEX-POS flight soon!!!

Goodness gracious, I hope this happens soon. It is so hard to get home from here. I have to go through DFW, MIA, SJU before getting to GND.

MEX/POS/GND if i am broke is fine, or if i have a little more money, GDL/MEX/POS/GND. Sounds perfect and I can still get my Advantage miles.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 13):
Goodness gracious, I hope this happens soon. It is so hard to get home from here. I have to go through DFW, MIA, SJU before getting to GND.

Like you I stick to my One World carriers!!! Especially AAdvantage affiliated carriers too!!

I remember reading it in the Business guardian which was also the first place that mentioned flights to CUR before BW flew the route, CM's flight to POS before it was formally announced, DL from ATL some time ago long before it was announced, and also the MX to POS while I was at home this summer- I believe it was sometime around mid-August and I have seen it more recently mentioned in an article!!

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:38 am

MX to POS?
IMHO, I don't see that much of a future for MX service to The Caribbean (other than HAV).
I think they've tried SDQ and SJU, but as for English-speaking islands, other than a possible Mexican football charter, I just can't imagine any MX Caribbean flights.
Maybe we'll see CUN-MBJ before MEX-POS.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
MX to POS?
IMHO, I don't see that much of a future for MX service to The Caribbean (other than HAV).
I think they've tried SDQ and SJU, but as for English-speaking islands, other than a possible Mexican football charter, I just can't imagine any MX Caribbean flights.
Maybe we'll see CUN-MBJ before MEX-POS.

I have actually heard of the possibility of that flight before. There is alot business relations between Trinidad and Mexico, and now the caribbean in general, between SRE and OAS etc. I am here because of one of these said relationships. This flight is needed trust me.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
new to POS is DL from ATL w/ 738!!!!!!!!!

Also from DL

ATL- FDF and ATL-PTP start Mid Dec.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 17):
Also from DL

ATL- FDF and ATL-PTP start Mid Dec.

Any chance DL will return to CUR from ATL? They operated to CUR for a (very short) while but eventually the route was dropped due to poor load factors I think. Is the market in better shape now to offer ATL-CUR flights again?

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
Any chance DL will return to CUR from ATL? They operated to CUR for a (very short) while but eventually the route was dropped due to poor load factors I think. Is the market in better shape now to offer ATL-CUR flights again?

A388

you are really eager for more flights to CUR!!!!!!!!

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
you are really eager for more flights to CUR!!!!!!!!

AA1818

Hahaha, yes sir I am! Give a poor aircraft photographer without the aircraft to photograph, a break here Big grin CUR is very quiet with little aircraft movement, so any potential route to CUR is gladly taken!!!!

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 20):

Hahaha, yes sir I am! Give a poor aircraft photographer without the aircraft to photograph, a break here Big grin CUR is very quiet with little aircraft movement, so any potential route to CUR is gladly taken!!!!

You remind me of 'me' with my thirst for some airlines at GND. AA left us, US left us after the hurricane, and even BW left us. There is a 737 registered 9YGND and GND doesn't get BW flights anymore. So like you my friend, I want some action in GND. Big grin

P.S. At least Air Jamaica doesn't plan on leaving though, with no competition, GND has non stop JFK flights, and they are not shared with anyone. We had the 757 all summer too. Another loyal airline I must say is BA, they have been flying to Grenada for ages, and were among the first airlines to return schedule service after the hurricane in 2004.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 21):
You remind me of 'me' with my thirst for some airlines at GND. AA left us, US left us after the hurricane, and even BW left us. There is a 737 registered 9YGND and GND doesn't get BW flights anymore. So like you my friend, I want some action in GND.

P.S. At least Air Jamaica doesn't plan on leaving though, with no competition, GND has non stop JFK flights, and they are not shared with anyone. We had the 757 all summer too. Another loyal airline I must say is BA, they have been flying to Grenada for ages, and were among the first airlines to return schedule service after the hurricane in 2004.

Hey Captaink, how's life. So you know what I'm talking about haha. I thaught you were living/studying in Mexico. Have you moved back to GND?

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Rampero (Reply 6):
Some rumor's about CO drop Ponce P.R (PSE) to EWR route on 2007.

I think B6 is to blame for that one  bouncy 

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
Jan 1st Caribbean Airlines takes off for the first time.

Hopefully they will come to the Bahamas one, but Im dreaming  cloudnine 

Quoting Captaink (Reply 21):
You remind me of 'me' with my thirst for some airlines at GND

Maybe Cubana will come  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Hey Captaink, how's life. So you know what I'm talking about haha. I thaught you were living/studying in Mexico. Have you moved back to GND?

I am still studying in Mexico, but home is home my boy, and for me that is Grenada. Hope to be there in two months... Big grin

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):

Maybe Cubana will come

HEHE, hey, don't kid from an aviation enthusiast standpoint, that would be awesome.  Big grin Once Fidel Castro came to Grenada with two Ilyushin Il-62, and two russian fighter escorts not sure the type. But that was really something, quite exciting for little GND. BTW those Russian jets are loud.

I do wish Caribbean Airlines, would really cover the caribbean, if that can be done with a profitable operation.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:00 pm

DL to POS - interesting. They have thus filled the void that BW attempted to a few years ago - only to be road-blocked when T&T were dropped into Category 2. With AA and CO regularly into POS this would be the first time since 1989 that POS has had 3 US majors serving it - back then the 3 were AA, PA and EA. EA left in 1989 during its destructive strike and PA collapsed in 1991. UA replaced PA in 1992 and remained until 1994. TravelSpan and North American also provide some services to POS.

So, Caribbean Airlines is certainly facing some strong competition as it gets going next year.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 25):
So, Caribbean Airlines is certainly facing some strong competition as it gets going next year.

Before the merger, and during the FLL build up, US Airways had some serious interest in POS as well. I wonder if they are considering it still.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 26):
Before the merger, and during the FLL build up, US Airways had some serious interest in POS as well. I wonder if they are considering it still.

I have also wondered about that- it seems logical and there is certainly a market that is separate to the MIA market. ORD is another city that I think warrants at least 2x wekly flights to POS- perhaps if UA continues a healthy recovery then it could happen. Also I have been interested in US from PHL. I don't know the details of the west indian population in PHL but I assume that there is a constant flow of west indians to and from the Caribbean and PHL??

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 26):
Before the merger, and during the FLL build up, US Airways had some serious interest in POS as well. I wonder if they are considering it still.

As far as I know US hub plans at FLL did not generate the results it expected and that US is slowly moving away from their mini-hub plans in FLL. I don't know to what extend this is true, but if it is true, don't except US to start any other additional or new flights from FLL.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:00 am

Would the new BW return to CCS?
I believe BW did get rights to fly to Brazil, but I can't guess if BW really wants to fly overthere anytime soon, what I'm sure is that that new BW could use some Brazilian passengers to fill-up their planes, if good connections @ POS are offered.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 29):
what I'm sure is that that new BW could use some Brazilian passengers to fill-up their planes, if good connections @ POS are offered.

 checkmark  If Caribbean Airlines and T&T can make POS work as a transfer point/hub than Caribbean Airlines indeed can profit from this as they will than become an attractive alternative for people travelling from Brazil/Argentina to Europe (via POS).

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 30):
If Caribbean Airlines and T&T can make POS work as a transfer point/hub than Caribbean Airlines indeed can profit from this as they will than become an attractive alternative for people travelling from Brazil/Argentina to Europe (via POS).

POS is located quite far west from the shortest routes between Argentina/Brazil and Europe. Maybe could work for SCL, LIM and VVI but not for Argentina or Brazil. IMHO POS hub could be attractive for FOR, REC, SSA, BSB, MAO and BEL passengers travelling to Venezuela, Caribbean, U.S.A. and Canada.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 31):
POS is located quite far west from the shortest routes between Argentina/Brazil and Europe. Maybe could work for SCL, LIM and VVI but not for Argentina or Brazil. IMHO POS hub could be attractive for FOR, REC, SSA, BSB, MAO and BEL passengers travelling to Venezuela, Caribbean, U.S.A. and Canada.

You are absolutely right that's why I said if Carribean Airlines and T&T would do a good job in promoting POS as a transfer hub. It will be tough to compete against airlines that fly from Brazil/Argentina to Europe directly but who knows, it might be possible. As you said SCL, LIM, FOR, REC, SSA, BSB and MAO make better candidates.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:38 am

Since this is a general Caribbean News Post. Here is a little titbit to play with..

Quote:

(From the Jamaica Gleaner, 20 October, 2006)
(Jamaica) Government committed to Air Jamaica for the long haul, but with new direction.

Finance Minister Omar Davies will shortly seek Cabinet approval of a new restructuring plan for Air Jamaica, including the possible change of the airline's fleet from Airbus to Boeing planes, the latest in the long list of efforts in stemming the losses and bringing viability to the government-owned carrier.

I like the possible change from Airbus to Boeing part very much.

Rest of the article...

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...efg/20-Oct-06/localnews/local3.htm

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:46 am

What is interesting to point out is that in the days when planes had short ranges and needed to refuel on long flights (1950s-60s), POS did indeed have flights from Brazil, Argentina and even Peru I think. These flights were operated by the respective airlines from these countries. Varig and Cruzeiro returned with a joint service from MAO to POS and BGI in 1985, this lasted for 4 years. MAO was promoted as a cheaper shopping alternative to MIA and cheaper to get to, given the downturn in the Trinidad market at the time. Finally, BW tried Sao Paulo in 1996 for 4 months using the MD83, stopping in MAO for fuel.

Just a thought when considering flights between POS and Brazil.

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 34):
Just a thought when considering flights between POS and Brazil.

Do you think BW/ Caribbean Airlines, can make Brazil work now? Because when I look at all BW's latin american attempts, There weren't very successful. Costa Rica, Santo Domingo for example, though flown because of government pressure, weren't very profitable. Even with the possibility of business passengers, would there be enough marked for BW to fly from POS to South American and Central American destinations profitably.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:02 am

Well, the Bahamas' government just signed a deal with a Canadian company to operate Nassau Int'l Airport:

http://www.thenassauguardian.com/national_local/287308383799910.php
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 34):
Finally, BW tried Sao Paulo in 1996 for 4 months using the MD83, stopping in MAO for fuel.

GRU is a market that won't sell well unless is served non-stop or combined with GIG or CNF. That MAO stop didn't work for AV when they had to do it (fuel stop) enroute to/fr BOG and shouldn't have worked for BW, it's just too long for a flight where no traffic is allowed. Maybe now with BW B737 and good connections in POS, GRU could work.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 35):
Do you think BW/ Caribbean Airlines, can make Brazil work now? Because when I look at all BW's latin american attempts, There weren't very successful. Costa Rica, Santo Domingo for example, though flown because of government pressure, weren't very profitable. Even with the possibility of business passengers, would there be enough marked for BW to fly from POS to South American and Central American destinations profitably.

SJO specially was a political move; both SJO and SDQ (somewhat HAV too) didn't work because BW didn't offer attractive Southamerican connections (yes, Southamerican, and I mean Brazil and Argentina from POS), traffic from the Eastern Caribbean to/fr SDQ, SJO and HAV is too thin for BW dedicated jet service. All future Latinamerican service (except CCS, PMV, PZO, MAR) by the new BW is doomed to fail if BW doesn't get their POS hub act together and offer frequent flights to attractive Southamerican destinations. IMHO, POS-Venezuela traffic would work well because of the O/D traffic, CCS connections, Trini higglers traffic to PMV and PZO international traffic thru POS. One of the 1st things the new BW has to do is to return to Venezuela.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 36):
Well, the Bahamas' government just signed a deal with a Canadian company to operate Nassau Int'l Airport:

http://www.thenassauguardian.com/nat...0.php

Interesting link TransIsland. I remember below link to artist impressions of the planned expansion of Nassau (see link below):


http://www.q2a.net/framesets/portfolio.html

You must click on transportation after which a page appears with the Barbados expansion plans and drawings but if you scroll down that page you will find Nassau as well (two artist impressions). According to the siteplan the new terminal of Nassau would have 20 jetways for narrowbodied aircraft, 4 jetways for widebodied aircraft and 6 parking positions for commuter aircraft. This sounds like it is going to be a very big airport. Can the island afford or sustain such a large airport? I do remember reading here in the forum that the Bahamas is among the top 4 Caribbean islands when it comes down to number of flights to/from the Bahamas islands (?)

The designs come from a company called Queen's Quay Architects International Inc. They are also located in Canada (Toronto). Have these plans been shelved in favour of YVRAS as you mention above?

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:01 am

Interesting, they are the ones currently working BGI, and they have projects for ANU and SVD.

NAS should look great when finished.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 39):
Interesting, they are the ones currently working BGI, and they have projects for ANU and SVD.

NAS should look great when finished.

Hey Captaink what's up. You are right, this company is also working on BGI that's how I got to know their plans for NAS as well but if the link given by TransIsland is true, the Government of the Bahamas has opted for another company (YVRAS) to do the upgrading and expansion of the airport in NAS. So it could well be that the artist impression in my link will not be the same anymore. Anyone else here with more insight in the expansion plans for NAS?

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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 35):

I actually can see HAV and PTY working for them IMO, but not PTY if CM starts it.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 36):
Well, the Bahamas' government just signed a deal with a Canadian company to operate Nassau Int'l Airport:

Yes and they will create Newco, A Bahamian company which YVRAS will contract NAS from.

(This link covers it in detail)
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=7045

Quoting A388 (Reply 40):

Yes! Also that company loves Caribbean Airports, also Westjet will start flying to NAS in case you didn't hear!  Smile
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 41):

I actually can see HAV and PTY working for them IMO, but not PTY if CM starts it.

They already tried HAV, that was around the SDQ and Costa Rica flights. But you could be right about PTY, better they have some codeshare agreement with CM.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:10 pm




Quoting A388 (Reply 38):
but if you scroll down that page you will find Nassau as well (two artist impressions). According to the siteplan the new terminal of Nassau would have 20 jetways for narrowbodied aircraft, 4 jetways for widebodied aircraft and 6 parking positions for commuter aircraft.

I think we can afford it, but we're going to milk the pax for the money anyways... which I disagree with in our case, as the airport is, IMHO, an infrastructure project the gov't should fund as it directly benefits our no.1 money-making industry, tourism. If you spend 1 tax dollar on the airport, you'll earn many more, thus no need to pass more of th cost on to the traveller.

However, the true questions are:

1. Whatever it'll look like, will it be looked after or let to rot like any other public building on this island? Maybe that's why the gov't contracted a foreign company...

2. DO WE NEED IT?

Numbers have been constantly dropping here, we are constantly getting less and smaller planes. Two years ago, DL operated ATL-NAS with a B757, the downgraded to an MD-88, now it's a mix of MD-88s and ERJs.

Service to TPA has stopped, neither AA nor DL offer it anymore.

AA has already stopped New York, US will soon follow.

NW has pulled out of NAS.

MCO used to have lots of competition. Now there are days when UP is the only option.

WestJet may come, but... what about CanJet, Skytravel and, last but not least, AC, who used to have a lot more flights to NAS.

3. What good will it do?

If tourists are supposed to get a good impression of the island, we need to look waaaay beyond the airport. But even with a nice airport, you're still not going to get a good start into your holiday, when your luggage doesn't arrive. And the chances of your luggage arriving in NAS on the same plane as you remain minimal, as long as Bahamians will use South Florida as a shopping centre, and airlines flying between South Florida and NAS on ATRs, EMB-120s, Beech 1900s, Dash-8s. It's not going to work, you're going to anger your customer, and the only reason they keep coming back is because ALL the airlines between South Florida and NAS offer a terrible product, regardless of how good or bad they may be when it comes to the rest of their network.

This made me think the other day... the A318 would be well suited for these routes. Small but adequate cargo capacity. (I'm not talking operating costs jet vs. turboprop here.)
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 42):
They already tried HAV, that was around the SDQ and Costa Rica flights. But you could be right about PTY, better they have some codeshare agreement with CM.

Yep maybe a thrice weekly service with adequate connections can work, if they beat CM to the punch.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
1. Whatever it'll look like, will it be looked after or let to rot like any other public building on this island? Maybe that's why the gov't contracted a foreign company...

If anything, it may encourage passenger numbers at NAS IMO  bouncy 

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
NW has pulled out of NAS.

They were never actually here for the long run IMO with seasonal service to MEM  boggled 

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
This made me think the other day... the A318 would be well suited for these routes. Small but adequate cargo capacity. (I'm not talking operating costs jet vs. turboprop here.)

Hmm 107 seats + decent amount of cargo doesn't seem too bad on paper. Unfortunately in reality it would be suitable for NAS-LAX or NAS-SEA  bigthumbsup 

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
AA has already stopped New York, US will soon follow.

I thought the US flight to LGA was seasonal?

Nonetheless I still remember the days of AA,Song,B6,US,CO,NK all serving the NYC-Nassau market non-stop  cloudnine 

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
WestJet may come, but... what about CanJet, Skytravel and, last but not least, AC, who used to have a lot more flights to NAS.

Well IMO Bahamas is not as much of a popular tourist destination to Canadians as Dominican Republic and Mexico.

Maybe C6 will come back to NAS with charters  Smile

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 43):
Numbers have been constantly dropping here, we are constantly getting less and smaller planes. Two years ago, DL operated ATL-NAS with a B757, the downgraded to an MD-88, now it's a mix of MD-88s and ERJs.

Yes, I remember the days of the 763, then came the 752s which led to the dreaded MD-88s and RJ's.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 44):

Yes, I remember the days of the 763, then came the 752s which led to the dreaded MD-88s and RJ's.

What does DL use to NAS now? I took pics of DLs 767s in NAS and that was not more than 2 - 3 years ago.
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RE: Any Caribbean Aviation News?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 45):
What does DL use to NAS now? I took pics of DLs 767s in NAS and that was not more than 2 - 3 years ago.

x1 MD-88 and x1 ERJ-145  ashamed 
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