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Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:06 am

Has anyone heard the news on the deadline for Mesaba today? I have alot of friends that I work with there and was wondering their fate. Any info appreciated!!!
Thanks
Brad
 
higney85
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:34 am

Just saw across the AP that the judge ruled that mesaba can throw out the contracts and impose labor rules wednesday. Tommorrow the judge hears the airlines case for a strike injunction (sp?). I see a strike coming wednesday... Sad to say this may be the end of mesaba.... Good luck guys!
 
KarlB737
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:35 am

This is all for now. Still awaiting more..................

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Mesaba Says It Won't Impose Pay Cuts Before Tuesday Court Hearing

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/744951.html
 
KarlB737
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:40 am

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

Judge: Mesaba Can Reject Union Contracts

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_289162748.html
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:34 am

alright well now with that happening obviously the unions will strike unless the judge blocks it. Do they have to go thru a 30 day cooling off first or how does this work? If the judge does block the strike....cant the pilots and f/as just start doing sick outs? this could be bad

Brad
 
higney85
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:46 am

I thought I had heard one of the union reps said that if the new rates where imposed and they weren't "allowed to strike", Mass resignations would get the point across. No matter what I see mesaba done with- as sad as that is- Management killed the company! And how MAIR holdings continued to make profits (with stock price rising) while mesaba was in the red is beyond me...
 
DTWAGENT
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:49 am

And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers. I don't know about this. If I was them ( workers) I would take the cuts and keep my job then lose it all together.

chuck
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:57 am

There won't be any mass resignations...they don't have the balls. It's all posturing by the unions. They will take the pay cuts and suck it up.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:02 am

I see something similar to the Comair situation happening. My guess is they will be blocked from striking and forced to work. I would venture to say the judge will order both of them back to the tables to get this worked out, maybe via a mediator. Not sure what to think after that.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:22 am

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

Judge Rules In Favor Of Mesaba - Video

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=169633
 
flyf15
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers.

Mesaba doesn't have enough time and money left to do this and turn things around before they'd have to shut down.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers.

So what's the difference if it does happen? If/when company is free to impose its terms on labor but labor is not allowed to strike... I repeat for emphasis... what's the difference if they are fired and replaced by non-union workers? Those so effected (if it happens) should thank Mesaba management for doing them a favor.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:05 am

What/who is Mair Holdings? Yes, I know they own Mesaba, and yes, for years, they have taken the profits, and turned nothing back to Mesaba, but just who is Mair Holdings? Are they a public company?
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 12):
What/who is Mair Holdings? Yes, I know they own Mesaba, and yes, for years, they have taken the profits, and turned nothing back to Mesaba, but just who is Mair Holdings? Are they a public company?

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=MAIR

In short, they're a holding company that owns Mesaba and Big Sky.
 
nwafflyer
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:31 am

So then what is the situation with Big Sky? Is Mair holdings just 'throwing away' Mesaba?
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:40 am

As a Mesaba employee, I just want to say it's all over but the  crying  now.
It is truly a sad day for everyone at ( XJ ) The only way out of this mess now would be only short of a miracle. So SAD, I have had the best time working for and with Mesaba. I also will say that the airline has been by far the best to work for in all of my 7+ carriers. Truly sad indeed!!  weeping 
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azjubilee
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:06 am

I wouldn't under estimate this employee group. I believe they will strike if given the green light. You cannot be forced to working conditions that are imposed.


AZJ
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:00 pm

Mesaba will be granted the injunction, just like NW, and the employees will not resign...just like the NW F/A's....they like their job too much. Yeah, you may be making Wal-Mart wages...but you still have the "glamour" of being an airline employee...(how glamourous is it deicing a saab at 4am...tasty glycol).
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:07 pm

Remember management is wanting 19% paycuts... AND on top of that the healthcare costs will be deducted another 30% away from their paychecks.

Thus... an FO will be making under 15K a year. Not exactly livable wages.


No one will want to work there anymore... you can go and be a secretary with a high school degree and make 35K.
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:35 pm

With the downsizing of the fleet, there aren't many pilots left at Mesaba to begin with. Add to this other regional airlines (ZW comes to mind) hiring like crazy and are likely to grow, mean that pilots will have a place to go work if they go under. The pilots can find other work easily at better pay than Mesaba.

I don't think Mesaba will last much longer personally. If they can get mainline pilots to join them on the picket line in protest this is going to get very ugly for redtail pretty soon.
 
flyf15
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
If they can get mainline pilots to join them on the picket line in protest this is going to get very ugly for redtail pretty soon.

I don't know about mainline pilots, but I know their CRJ flying brothers and sisters plan to picket with them in full force.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:31 pm

Are the paycuts 19.4%, or 17.5%? Both are being reported in the media.
 
azjubilee
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:41 pm

The paycuts that can be imposed are from the October 5 proposal. That includes a total compensation paycut of 17.5% for a duration of 5.5 years or more. This paycut doesn't include however all the FOs that have been bumped back to FO who already took 30% paycuts. This also doesn't include the Captains that have been bumped from higher paying captain positions. So the paycuts are really more than 17.5%.

Again, I wouldn't under estimate the resolve of this employee group.


AZJ
 
flyf15
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:32 am

Anyone know when the decision comes out today? When would the strike occur if it does?
 
azjubilee
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:28 am

The hearing is taking place as we speak. It started at 1330 local. The unions cannot strike until the contracts are imposed. The company can legally impose at 1201am on 18 October. Anytime after that a strike may be called.


AZJ
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:22 am

Wow...I saw Elizabeth Costello in an online news segment...she's quite the Hottie! I hope that the unions follow through on their threats and strike...injunction or not.
 
higney85
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 20):



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 20):
I don't know about mainline pilots, but I know their CRJ flying brothers and sisters plan to picket with them in full force.

Only prob is that PNCL first year FO's and first year street capts cannot honor the struck routes (at least thats what I have been told). Those that are here more than 1 year and off probation can honor though. I can see 15 crj's coming back in a hurry if mesaba goes under.. as much as that is good for my position it shouldnt have ever come to this. I hope management gets whats coming to them in the end. I am sure all the mesaba guys will be able to find jobs rather easily... IMO they are given interviews at PNCL with deals in the contract to give them an advantage compared to other applicants. Time will tell..
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Higney85 (Reply 26):
Only prob is that PNCL first year FO's and first year street capts cannot honor the struck routes (at least thats what I have been told)

Yeah, those on probation can't get union protection if they wish to not fly struck work. ie: they'll be out of a job. What we're all counting on though is that even though the 1st year FOs will have to show up for the flight, there won't be any captains. There aren't any captains on probation at Pinnacle anymore. No captain... no go.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 12):
I know they own Mesaba, and yes, for years, they have taken the profits, and turned nothing back to Mesaba

Should Mesaba have in times past when business was better broke away from MAIR? It sounds like MAIR has been alot of the problem here. It sounds like being a puppet of MAIR provides little gain.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 28):

Should Mesaba have in times past when business was better broke away from MAIR?

How would XJ have left on their own? A spinoff of the stock? Mesaba hadn't been near its peak stock market value for years, so spinning off the company wouldn't have been a good idea. If I'm not mistaken, when the holding company was created, it was called Mesaba Airlines Holdings.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:55 am

Mair was just created a few years ago, and was spun off from Mesaba itself. Paul Foley used to run Mesaba...then they created Mair, and now he heads Mair, overseeing Mesaba and Big Sky....it's a big scam if you ask me. I think they created MAIR in the image of Northwest...the way NW uses 9e and XJ against each other....hoping to do the same with Mesaba and Big Sky.
 
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RE: Mesaba.....any News?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:06 pm

Judge delays ruling on Mesaba unions
10/17/2006, 10:00 p.m. ET
By JOSHUA FREED
The Associated Press

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A bankruptcy judge delayed a ruling Tuesday night on blocking union workers from striking Mesaba Aviation Inc., but also barred the Northwest Airlines feeder airline from imposing new contract terms at midnight.

Mesaba had said it would impose terms at 1:01 a.m. EDT on Wednesday if it got the injunction it was seeking and the two sides hadn't reached agreement. The unions had said they'd strike if that happened — something that could put Mesaba out of business for good.

After several hours of hearing from both sides, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel said Tuesday night he would wait until late this week or early next week to issue a decision.