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DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:14 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061016/106894.html

3X CRJ to begin 1/11/07.

Interesting...
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061016/106894.html

3X CRJ to begin 1/11/07.

Interesting...

Gee, I wonder why!
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:22 am

Ooooh, rjs, great. Let's see....717 or CRJ, hmmmmm, which to choose.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:34 am

Seems like DL loves sending their CRJ fleet into MDW. Lets see what FL does in response to DL entering the route. So that brings DL flights into MDW up to 15 I think.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:35 am

What other airports have BOS service on DL but no CVG?
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:39 am

JetBlue just go approval to fly from ORD, which is very interesting
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 1):
Gee, I wonder why!

Perhaps this is Delta's way of saying thank you for FL's new ATL-DAB flights.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:41 am

lets not forget that AA and UA have a couple flights a day to the 'other' Chicago airport as well. BOS-CHI might becoming a bit overserved. And yes, with all those other flights in the market why CRJs. I suppose DL has enough FFers in BOS to stay with DL???
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:57 am

It's right on top of FL's schedule too...all flights within about 30 minutes of FL. No message there at all Silly
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
What other airports have BOS service on DL but no CVG?

YHZ, YFC, YQB and BDA, though except the latter, those would probably not work from CVG.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:15 am

This is (at least) the second time DL has tried Boston - Chicago. They added BOS-ORD in the mid '80s with 727s; the flight didn't last very long. Has DL tried this market since then?
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:30 am

Maybe DL trying to buildup BOS and put a end to the unused gates issue.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
lets not forget that AA and UA have a couple flights a day to the 'other' Chicago airport as well.

I thought AA had pulled out of MDW.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting N702ML (Reply 12):
I thought AA had pulled out of MDW.



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
the 'other' Chicago airport

That'd be ORD.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
That'd be ORD.

DOH!!!!!!!!!
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:27 am

Well, as I read the release I have to chuckle at the phrase, 'Boston is one of three Delta focus cities.' Not a whole lot of focusin' going on at that DL terminal in Boston lately. Over the past couple years they've done a whole lot of downsizing in terms of flights and (especially) capacity. 763s and 764s were pretty common at Logan; you won't find either there now. Now it's a bunch of 737s and a handful of 757s. That constitutes a 'focus city???'

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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 15):
Well, as I read the release I have to chuckle at the phrase, 'Boston is one of three Delta focus cities.' Not a whole lot of focusin' going on at that DL terminal in Boston lately. Over the past couple years they've done a whole lot of downsizing in terms of flights and (especially) capacity. 763s and 764s were pretty common at Logan; you won't find either there now. Now it's a bunch of 737s and a handful of 757s. That constitutes a 'focus city???'

It was quite hopping this morning around 730 a.m. Coach line for check-in had about 150 people in it, another 150 people at regular security and about 40 people at Priority Security...was a miracle I arrived at the airport at 7:29 and made my 8 a.m. to ATL (yes, that included going through the F/Medallion lines at check-in and security).
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:03 am

Why would DL start BOS-MDW instead of (or before) BOS-ORD? Slot issues? I'd assume this would be a business-heavy route that would attract a premium, and MDW is....MDW. Granted, they need to compete with FL, but that doesn't mean they have to fly out of the same airport. I know that if I had to go to BOS from Chicago I'd fly ORD-CVG-BOS to avoid MDW.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:26 am

MDW is probably more convenient to many business travellers and not subject to ATC delays to the same degree as ORD.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:48 am

2+hrs in a CRJ! Fun! Yeah sure

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 15):
Well, as I read the release I have to chuckle at the phrase, 'Boston is one of three Delta focus cities.' Not a whole lot of focusin' going on at that DL terminal in Boston lately. Over the past couple years they've done a whole lot of downsizing in terms of flights and (especially) capacity. 763s and 764s were pretty common at Logan; you won't find either there now. Now it's a bunch of 737s and a handful of 757s. That constitutes a 'focus city???'

I know, the DL BOS focus city is rather pitiful. I miss those 763s from ATL. They would probably have more int'll service in BOS had the bureaucrats at assport put customs in A.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 15):
'Boston is one of three Delta focus cities

What are the other two - LAX and MCO? What about LGA, FLL, TPA?
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:14 pm

To tell you guys the truth I'm surprised that DL hasn't done any JFK stuff. Fl to Ewr is always full. TZ to LGA is always full seems like a JFK crj flight x3 daily wouldn't be bad.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 19):
2+hrs in a CRJ! Fun

*looks at username* Yeah, I'm sure 4+ hours on an ERJ out of EWR are more fun...

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
What are the other two - LAX and MCO? What about LGA, FLL, TPA?

Hard to say. LGA is being considered a co-terminal to JFK, meaning not its own hub/focus city. TPA cannot really be considered a focus city anymore, and LAX seems to already be considered a hub again within DL, leaving the other two focus cities alongside BOS to be MCO and FLL, though that still leaves out DCA as well as CMH.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:14 pm

I would think LAX, BOS, and I guess MCO are the DL 'focus' cities. ATL, CVG, JFK, and SLC being the true 'hubs.'
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 17):

Why wouldn't you fly nonstop MDW-BOS on DL? Avoid MDW? If anything I would avoid ORD. I'm from the south suburbs and I would much rather fly nonstop to BOS and drive 30 min. to MDW instead of driving an hour to ORD and then connect in CVG.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 24):

Because Airtran actually flies a real aircraft between the two cities.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 19):
2+hrs in a CRJ! Fun

*looks at username* Yeah, I'm sure 4+ hours on an ERJ out of EWR are more fun...

No RJ is comfortable longer than 2 hours; however, the ERJ is a much more comfortable ride than the CRJ. Larger and better positioned windows. More head room beneath the overhead bins. Optional single seating.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting B757capt (Reply 25):
Because Airtran actually flies a real aircraft between the two cities.

Personal opinion.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 26):
however, the ERJ is a much more comfortable ride than the CRJ.

"More comfortable", yes; "MUCH more comfortable", certainly not.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 26):
Larger and better positioned windows.

Who uses windows anymore? As we all know, people only want to look at a TV screen anyway  Wink .

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 26):
Optional single seating.

Only if you are fast enough. Chances for a single seat are still only 33%.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 24):

Because for anyone who isn't in the south suburbs, MDW is much worse to get to. Try departing from the Loop, or the northern or western suburbs, or anywhere outside of Chicago - ORD is vastly easier to get to and is in a much nicer area.

There's also the terminal itself - the landside terminal is confusing and unnecessarily large, while security is unnecessarily tiny and an unholy mess to boot. I will admit that once airside, MDW has a very nice terminal - but yes, I would much prefer to connect through CVG than to deal with MDW.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:30 pm

This could be a pre-cursor to E170 service if the loads work out as well as re-focus as it were for BOS. MDW is getting the E170 from ATL now and hopefully they will start using the E jet on the route to better compete with 717's.

As far as MDW - I fly into Chicagoland 2-3 times per month and MDW is just way more convenient, getting in and out quickly is usually a breeze. If I have to go to the northern burbs I will even fly into MKE on either DL or YX jsut to avoid ORD.

I was disappointed when DL stopped the MD88's & 738's into MDW last year but they had to do what they had to do - either live with it or fly someone else, simple as that. However, I find the E170 a very comfortable a/c and every bit as comfortable.

Then again, as someone mentioned earlier it could also be a stab back at FL for the DAB service intro.?

We will see what happens?
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 28):
There's also the terminal itself - the landside terminal is confusing and unnecessarily large, while security is unnecessarily tiny and an unholy mess to boot. I will admit that once airside, MDW has a very nice terminal - but yes, I would much prefer to connect through CVG than to deal with MDW.

I really disagree with this. When was the last time you were at MDW? I was there last weekend and they have an enormous number of security lines. They have done a clever job of staggering the positioning of them (and putting additional ones off to the right after the footbridge). This would be just a general estimate, but it seemed to me that they had almost half as many security lines as ATL does, and I'm sure they have less than half as much security traffic at peak times.
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:37 pm

I've travelled out of ORD many times with our new Jumpseat (Cabin Seat) Agreement with AA and I must say I am SOO glad I work exclusively out of MDW. It's a very nice arport, just the right size, good concessions, INCREDIBLY clean and spacious! ORD has reached the point that it's so big it'll NEVER be finished. One part will always look 15 years behind another and it's so sprawled out!

There's nothing wrong with MDW, I really like it!
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 27):
"More comfortable", yes; "MUCH more comfortable", certainly not.

I hear you, the other week I connected in CVG to CLE on a ERJ and returned on a CRJ. The ERJ was MUCH more comfortable than CRJ. I had someone sit next to me on the ERJ and did not as feel cramped with the empty seat on the CRJ. I don't know if the CRJ was older, someone told me SA)">OH CRJ's cushions are not as comfortable due to age. Also, there were a lot of ASA, SA)">RP, and MESA in CVG. I realized it was the first time I've flown SA)">OH out of CVG in 8 months.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 27):
Who uses windows anymore? As we all know, people only want to look at a TV screen anyway

Funny you should mention, when the cost come down in a few yrs I would look for cheaper IFE systems on RJ's or outfit a few seats at a premium.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 27):
Only if you are fast enough. Chances for a single seat are still only 33%.

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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 11):
Maybe DL trying to buildup BOS and put a end to the unused gates issue.

DL would need a mini hub at BOS to fill up all their gates--they have 22 of them in terminal A.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 19):
I miss those 763s from ATL

 yes 

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 19):
They would probably have more int'll service in BOS had the bureaucrats at assport put customs in A.

I wouldn't be surprised to see their ex-AA 757s in BOS doing some European hops for summer seasonal service. They then would put them in JFK during the winter months to keep year round service on the secondary markets. Everyone says that if it wasn't for Massport they would be flying international from BOS. I really don't know about that. If they really wanted to fly international, they could board at A, arrive at E, and then tug the plane over to A. Plenty of airlines do this around the world, including at their hubs--UA at ORD comes to mind.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 33):
Everyone says that if it wasn't for Massport they would be flying international from BOS. I really don't know about that. If they really wanted to fly international, they could board at A, arrive at E, and then tug the plane over to A. Plenty of airlines do this around the world, including at their hubs--UA at ORD comes to mind.

Didn't they do some European routes like LGW, FRA & CDG from BOS in the early to mid 90's? For some reason it just sticks out they were running some international from BOS at one time.

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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 34):
Didn't they do some European routes like LGW, FRA & CDG from BOS in the early to mid 90's? For some reason it just sticks out they were running some international from BOS at one time.

I don't remember the international cities DL actually flew to from BOS. I know they flew to LGW, which ended up being a disaster. CDG was planned before 9/11 but never happened.

Overall I don't see DL starting international routes from BOS unless it's seasonal on the ex-AA 757s. It's a tough market to make work with a lot of competition. It also has to be pretty much all O/D unless they are flying to another SkyTeam hub.
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 35):
It also has to be pretty much all O/D unless they are flying to another SkyTeam hub.

That's the key part, it's not a SkyTeam hub.


As for Customs, DL BOS ops are a pain in the ass when returning from Halifax. It's horrible. Has the subsidies ran out for YFC or were they able to pony up more cash?
 
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RE: DL To Start BOS-MDW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 35):
Overall I don't see DL starting international routes from BOS unless it's seasonal on the ex-AA 757s. It's a tough market to make work with a lot of competition. It also has to be pretty much all O/D unless they are flying to another SkyTeam hub.

They could have some connecting opportunities for connections if the flight leaves in the evening (around 8-9pm) and is coming from: SLC, CMH, LAX, BNA, DCA, BWI, ORF, RDU, GSO, CHS, and MCO. That's a few connecting passengers to add to the flights.

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