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An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:43 pm

Yes people .. even this category exists. I happen to be in that category. I stated earlier i am flying RTW on STAR ALLIANCE namely:

DEL - SIN (SQ)
SIN - ICN
ICN - SFO
SFO - ORD (UA)
ORD - GRU
GRU - SSU (TAM)
SSU - LIS (TP)
LIS - FRA (LH)
FRA - DEL

ok now my problem is this... i love aviation.. but i have a terrible time before a trip.. (like now) i leave on the 23rd and am very very very nervous. I need some encouragement... tell me why i shouldnt worry about flying aroudn the world with popular commecial airliners.

lol let me apologise in advance for this stupid question!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:54 pm

This is not a stupid question. I happen to get nervous before I fly too. What I would do is get Dramine for motion sickness. ( from connecting and being in the air so much) Then get some good books. Also those cushie neck pillows help too for neck aches. If you make a personal affirmation stating that you wont be afraid, you won't.

Hope this helps and best of luck. Btw, Please do a TR with some pics please.

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:57 pm

Do you have an Ipod/mp3 player or something of the likes? Music helps  Smile I usually get nervous as hell before big matches (I play Ice hockey in Switzerland's first "college league"), and Music always helps.
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:04 pm

I believe that ignorance is a common cause as to why people are often afraid of flying. Obviously it's not the only cause, but it certainly does account for many cases where people are afraid of flying.

For many, knowing the fundamentals as to how an aircraft works, goes a long way towards helping them overcome their fear.

To help people to try and help you, it'd probably be a good idea to explain why you're afraid of flying, as there are many areas that can cause people to be afraid of flying.

- RichM

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:26 pm

i guess i am just afraid of the plane getting in trouble and me dying
!

i know its a little extreme... but flying scares me just as much as it excites me!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:35 pm

I have flown hundreds of times in my life in large commercial planes, small commercial planes, private planes, and hot air balloons. From a few weeks after I was born, until now. I still get a little nervous especially on take off. It doesn't stop me from flying and I doubt it ever will. I have faith in the mechanics that they did a good job and the skills of the pilots. I also know that far more people are killed on the roads then in the air.

Back in 80s my dad would lease a hot air balloon and bring it down to Albuquerque for the balloon fiesta. One night at a party my dad was talking with the stunt plane pilot who flew around after the balloons were launched. The man never had flown in a balloon before and my dad offered him a ride in our balloon for for a ride in his stunt plane during his show. The next day he came out to the field and was freaked out about flying in a balloon even though he had flown in combat, during Korea and Vietnam and did stunts for a living. After a lot of worry he got in the balloon for a flight and had a great time. The next day my dad flew with him and was scared to death. My dad was a bit worried too, but once he did it he loved it. I guess that go to show you what you know well doesn't really bother you, but something new can be scary.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 5):
I have flown hundreds of times in my life in large commercial planes, small commercial planes, private planes, and hot air balloons. From a few weeks after I was born, until now. I still get a little nervous especially on take off. It doesn't stop me from flying and I doubt it ever will. I have faith in the mechanics that they did a good job and the skills of the pilots. I also know that far more people are killed on the roads then in the air.

Back in 80s my dad would lease a hot air balloon and bring it down to Albuquerque for the balloon fiesta. One night at a party my dad was talking with the stunt plane pilot who flew around after the balloons were launched. The man never had flown in a balloon before and my dad offered him a ride in our balloon for for a ride in his stunt plane during his show. The next day he came out to the field and was freaked out about flying in a balloon even though he had flown in combat, during Korea and Vietnam and did stunts for a living. After a lot of worry he got in the balloon for a flight and had a great time. The next day my dad flew with him and was scared to death. My dad was a bit worried too, but once he did it he loved it. I guess that go to show you what you know well doesn't really bother you, but something new can be scary.

yea that is very true and intersting. Its a strange fear i have developed, specially since i have been flying since i was 4 years old! And i used to absolutely love it! Even the turbulence would make me smile! The biggest problem i face is that i cant sleep on flights. And that becomes very unnerving because i get all tired and cranky. Wheni close my eyes, even if i do dose off, i wake up with a jolt and the scare of falling from the sky.

anyone else had this problem?
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 6):
The biggest problem i face is that i cant sleep on flights.

I can't sleep on the plane either. I also can not sleep in the car. I can sleep on a train, but only in a berth, not in a seat. Basically I can't sleep sitting up.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:33 am

I can't say that I'm afraid to fly, but I am getting burned out in a hurry. Flying isn't what it used to be, and regardless, after a million miles or so I think anyone would get a little tired of it.

I don't think there's anything to fear in commercial flying. I heard someone say in a documentary that if you tried to be in a commercial plane accident you'd have to fly every day for some unbelievable number of years before you'd be in an accident. The odds are on your side.

My advice is to concentrate on what you'll be doing when you get to your destination. That's what I do. I had a great time in Italy a few years ago, even though the flights weren't particularly enjoyable (especially on the 10+hour flight coming back). Before I depart I think about all the enjoyable things I'll be doing and it makes the flights a bit more bearable. I also plan all the details out thoroughly to ensure a minimum of problems on the ground, such as car rental, hotel, itinerary, etc. I always pick a couple of top-rated restaurants to try out. It works for me.

I hope you keep flying. It's really the safest way to go.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:36 am

Dunno why but I can't sleep in cars, boats, coaches or trains yet once a plane gets up to cruising altitude im asleep like baby!
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:42 am

I love aviation as well and I have only flown one time.. PIT to DFW, DFW to LAX, LAX to ORD, and ORD to PIT. I was very nervous the night before. Actually was sick to my stomach in the middle of the night. Once I got on I was ok. I wasn't used to the little bumps and stuff during the flight that are called normal. I just wasn't used to it all yet. Flying is definately fun though and I'm sure I'll be nervous the next time I fly as well. It's just something we don't do on a daily basis enough to get used to. I even work at an airport! Just take magazines and/ or music with you to keep your mind off things. We had a movie one flight that seemed to help me. I tried to sleep on the flights but everytime the plane would bump or "chop" I would wake up wondering what the hell was going on.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 9):
once a plane gets up to cruising altitude im asleep like baby!

My dad is like that. I flew with him lots of times as a kid and a few times as an adult and I feel sorry for the other passengers nearby, he snores like a train horn.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 3):
I believe that ignorance is a common cause as to why people are often afraid of flying.

I am not sure if I entirely agree with you on this one. I know quite a lot about aviation and have flown extensively as I used to be a flight attendant too. Yet, I am still nervous during take off in bad weather and during heavy turbulence.

Everytime I fly, I check the exterior of the aircraft (if I can) to see if something is wrong, check the flaps before take off, check the time between departures (wake turbulence), check the engines if the spoilers will be deployed suddenly ( TAM F100 accident), check the climb rate, speed, altitude... If there is a problem with the IFE, I can't help but think of the SR MD-11 accident. I can very well hear the changes in the noise of the engines (A 310 wins the prize in this one). I always notice the change if we descend even a tiny bit. I more or less know what's going to happen if I see huge CBs around. I know what a cross wind is... And many more things like that......

If I had no idea about aviation, I wouldn't have known all these and think about them most of the time. I asked my cousin which aircraft she flew the other day and she didn't know. She didn't even remember if the engines were on the wings or at the back of the aircraft. Finally she remembered and said it was an Airbus 737.

Even though I get nervous sometimes, I still find flying to be the safest mode of transportation and I wouldn't hesitate to fly at any given time. But I can't help wishing sometimes that I knew less about aviation.

You will be just fine Deaphen. You will fly good airlines and good aircraft and will see fab places. Just think about how much fun you will have when you arrive at your destination. Just think about thousands of pilots and F/As flying around the world everyday. And of course I don't need to say we will be expecting a good trip report afterwards  Smile
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 12):
climb rate, speed, altitude...

Climbrate?  Confused I have never seen any airshow showing the climbrate.
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:36 am

Don't think you are alone here on A.N.

There was another thread a while back discussing all aspects of fear of flying - I think I posted on it as I am married to someone who I have to virtually drag on the plane so we can have holidays!

Do some digging and I'm sure you'll find the thread. Try typing ' Fear of flying'into the search forums box - It was very informative for those with this fear. I picked up a few tips on how to help my Husband........

You will be fine and well safe on the Airlines you are going with.....Enjoy!!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:08 am

Nitin,

I sympathize with you; I feel the same way when I fly. I know my fear of flying stems from the fact that I just don't trust other people; sadly this includes pilots hurling me through the air at high speed. I suppose my last trip on QX did not help much either; that is an entirely different story. For me, I just do not like sitting there passively without information.

When I fly, I usually think it out before I get on the plane:

  • The chance of being involved in a fatal event is extremely low. Pilots and aircraft are designed, evaluated and tested to ensure things stay safe.
  • Fatal events are always usually a string of errors or problems; this means that even one or two things going wrong will not spell disaster.
  • At least in my case, it is always better to go than to stay on the ground.
  • I could die of brain cancer or some other ailment much more easily.


Yes, I know the last item is somewhat far fetched; however, when I think about it most of my day everyday is much less safe than sitting in an airplane. The problem is, so many things can go wrong; in reality, they rarely do. Fear sucks because you can tell yourself anything with fear. If you fear flying enough, you can convince yourself anything and everything is possible. Just remember to re-evaluate your conceptions; chances are most of them are weird creations of fear.

Your list of carriers is very respectable; if you were flying a discount airline in Nigeria I would say your fears are grounded; in this case all of the airlines you list are well-known and respected.

Now, while these may not help, I have found the following things take my mind off the fear:

  • If you have a camera, take photos. They may not be A-net material but hey, how often do you get to take wing, cabin or cockpit shots?
  • If you have the means, listen to music. You list UA; I am not sure if they still offer the ability to listen in (channel 9 I believe?)
  • Think about where you are going instead of the trip. This sounds silly but often it makes me excited to get there  Smile


My wife has started to fly with me more; it is also always nice to have her there as well  Smile

Finally, oddly enough, I love it when the plane ride gets choppy. I guess it makes me feel more like I am flying and less like I am sitting letting a x86 drive me around.

In any case, you will be fine. Have fun on your trip!
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 4):
i guess i am just afraid of the plane getting in trouble and me dying

Statistically you have a greater probability of meeting with a fatal crash while driving to the airport than while in air. More so if you are driving on Indian roads. Does not matter Delhi or Mumbai.

Your chances of being involved in an aircraft accident are about 1 in 11 million. On the other hand, your chances of being killed in an automobile accident are 1 in 5000. However, the perception is that you have more control over your fate when you are in your car than as a passenger. Experience shows otherwise considering that over 50,000 people are killed on the highways every year. That number ofcourse is much higher on Indian roads.

Repeat these numbers to yourself and you will be good to go. Enjoy your trip.

And to add....

Even in the worst of turbulence do not panic as planes are designed to withstand the stresses induced. Planes also have multiple redundancies built into.

The wings of the planes don't tear off. They are designed to be highly elastic.

The skin of the aircraft can bear tremendous stresses and fatigue.

Planes can fly with one engine if the need arises.

A/C are rigorously checked regularly.

ATC and crew are well trained.

All put together make the above statistic possible...

cheers
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:15 am

I also get nervous before flying...don't know why since I love to fly...I'm sure there is a shrink out there who could explain it...but I get past it...I thing familiarity breeds some of it...if you're involved in the industry, you know what CAN happen, but common sense tells you that, with all the safe guards, the odds are definatly in you favor...Sit back, relax and take lots of pictures...
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:36 am

Thank you guys so much! your words really help! I will definately post a long ass trip report on my return,

The chian of events when i am flying is odd it goes a little like this:

1. When i plan a trip im all excited and all like ye ye i get to fly so many carriers around the world.
2. Once the date approaches i start getting a little paranoid.
3. On the day i am stiff and just hard as rock. But im still excited.
4. Once i am boarding the plane, i will keep myself busy noting down the Reg of the plane and stowing away my stuff.
5. Once the doors close, i get a little paranoid again.
6. When we are about to roll, i pull out my camera to film the take off and put on my ipod playing "smack my bitch up" which gets me all pumped up.
7. Once air borne, i hate the climb, because its so choppy and bumpy, once at cruise im cool.
8. The flight attendents keep me clam because i keep looking at them for a reaction (which i have never seen till now).
9. I drink 2 glasses of wine which relax me.
10. Movies begin, i cant concentrate on them because everytime there is a bump, i put my ipod softer and listen to see if there are any strange noises etc.
11. If i sleep, i wake up with that falling sensation.
12. I LOVE the sun rise while flying! Its just drives me insane! All my fears are lost when there are like 3-4 hours left of flight.
13. I dont mind the descent at all, infact i love it, landing is such a gret feeling!
14. I keep myself busy on board looking ONLY at the interactive map!! And ofcourse send in my flight log for the captain and first off to sign.
15. Once im off the plane, i wish i were back on it!!

So as u can see there are a very very veyr strange chain of events! An interesting story was when i was flying DEL - SFO last year, i sat down next to this Sikh guy , he was more or less my age, and i was like shivering with fear at that moment, and this guy turns to me and is like "Hi im so and so... and i am so so so scared of flying, this is my first experience". The moment he said that, i was like REALLY?!? Its not that bad at all!!

Its wierd, me knowing that he is scared of flying made me a little confident and i was fine throughout! Even when we touched down at HKG in typhoon season when the plane was rocking around like never before!

Then on another SQ flight to SIN in feb, this guy next to me was like "oh if we have to die we have to die, its all up to god" and i was like F&*^ !!!! Anywys, got thru that flight fine too!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 16):
The skin of the aircraft can bear tremendous stresses and fatigue.

IIRC a 747SP went supersonic in a dive inbound to SFO. I think that says quite a bit about the resiliance of the outer skin.

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 18):
13. I dont mind the descent at all, infact i love it, landing is such a gret feeling!

It always bugs me when we begin our descent. I think it's my hyper-sensitivity to changes in G forces.
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:51 am

Well, I am kind of like this. Every time we get to the airport, I get really really nervous, and I don't eat b/c of my fear of gettting sick. I will usually take some medicine to calm me down and usually after I get settled into my seat and we start to taxi, I start to calm down and then after we take off and I am fine.

The weird thing about it is if we are connecting through another city (usually ATL or DTW) I am never nervous about the second leg.

Make sure to make a trip report afterward so we can see how ya did.

You'll do fine

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 20):
I will usually take some medicine to calm me down and usually after I get settled into my seat and we start to taxi,

Heh, on advice of one of my friends (a doctor), I took some Ambien to relax.

Freaking out about flying was much better than thinking the F/A was a dinosaur. Oddly enough, I swore she had pink hair and told myself I was making it up. Upon deplaning, I realized she really did have pink hair...  Smile
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:21 am

I am one of those people. I have an A&P license, have worked on the heavies, flown many hundreds of thousands of miles. Used to be an elite member of NW worldperks. Now I shivver at the thought of flying. Twice I have failed to get on a plane, after checking in and getting boarding passes, etc. Both were vacation flights to New Zealand. I am going to try again this coming May. Have secured Business Premier tickets on Air NZ. I have no reason what caused my fears, never had a bad in-flight experience. But now I get physically sick. I know all the statistics, read the books, flying is the safest--yada yada yada. I am still terrified. However, as I am getting older, I fear that I will not have many chances left to lick this.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
ok now my problem is this... i love aviation.. but i have a terrible time before a trip.. (like now) i leave on the 23rd and am very very very nervous. I need some encouragement... tell me why i shouldnt worry about flying aroudn the world with popular commecial airliners.

lol let me apologise in advance for this stupid question!

It is not a stupid question!

Enjoy your flight. You'll get to your destination in one piece  Smile

No worries mate. Let me put it this way: if you are worried about flying are you worried about winning the national lottery?

Food for thought.

¡saludos e buena viaje!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
What I would do is get Dramine for motion sickness.

In 1989 My mom, dad, and I took a 3 day whale watching excursion on a sailing ship out of San Diego. The entire first day I spent barfing over the side, which is odd because I have never had motion sickness before or since. The next two days I took Dramamine and felt great for the rest of the trip. It is amazing how that stuff works.

I had a buddy, from Missouri, get sick on my boat a couple of years ago on the Detroit River. He was all embarrassed because people in other boats saw him barf over the stern. I told him to take some Dramamine and not to worry about it. I told him the other boaters probably assumed he was drunk, which is usually the case on the Detroit River.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:29 pm

You are NOT asking a stupid question! I and I can probably safley say most of us here would give you props for your candor and honesty.

What I've shared with others, I'm telling you. Go with your intuition. Most of us have a bit of trepedation when out of your normal routine. And, travelling especially through different countries is out of the day in day out normalcy of life. Intuition meaning if for some reason right before you do something say in this case board a flight if you get that persistent unique feeling that following through may have dire consequences, then by all means err on the side of caution and litsten to your intuition and make other arrangements. In your case take another flight even if it means inconvenience time and money wise. I've told a nervous passenger or two in my four years as a crewmember that, if something inside you says don't go, we can make other flight arrangements for you with a minimum of disruption and financial penalties.

Some of my other recomendations for getting you in that jetway and onboard your flight with less anxiety.

  • heed the advice of the previous posts some excellent ideas; I-Pods etc.
  • if your are into fitness/working out/playing sports, a good hearty workout/sweat releases those endorphins and in the long run relaxes you.
    If possible after your exercise, get a rubdown and take a steam/sauna then end it off with a hot shower.
  • Drink plenty of liquids and sorry, caffine and alcohal dehydrate you. Drink a lot of water and fruit juices. If possible, eat and or drink some health food good for you hippie food. Watch out for bathroom issues though. I for one have a chihuahua's bladder and this can be a pain on the plane.
  • Rent some cheesy comedy or plain outrageous airplane movies such as "Airplane," "Stewardess School" starring Donnie Most, Boeing Boeing, a screwball go go mid 60s farce starring Tony Curtis. And though it is an actual airline disaster movie it's so bad and 50s over the top, I guarantee you will be on the floor rolling in laughter. This cinematic tour de force is called
    Jet Over The Atlantic



    Um Jet Hot? The star of this 50s ham-o-rama is a big assed prop liner!

    Another classic funny airline comedy of course being Soul Plane
    You'll hope you have "Flame" as one of your flight attendants!

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/2004/soul/plane8.jpg



Hope this helps and safe and happy flying!  bouncy 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 16):
Your chances of being involved in an aircraft accident are about 1 in 11 million. On the other hand, your chances of being killed in an automobile accident are 1 in 5000. However, the perception is that you have more control over your fate when you are in your car than as a passenger. Experience shows otherwise considering that over 50,000 people are killed on the highways every year.

These statistics have always been manipulated to favor the airline industry. I'm not even sure what the real statistics are, but generally whenever I've seen these statistics thrown around they don't take into account a) the vast difference in the number of hours people spend in cars vs. airplanes every year, and b) the vast difference in the number of miles people drive vs. fly on each trip (sometimes these stats are derived by comparing mile for mile).

I think if you compared not the number of miles but the amount of *time* people spend in different modes of transportation, say the number of accidents per passenger per *hour*, the stats would be a lot closer. Yeah, there are 50,000 highway deaths each year, but there are also probably about a trillion total man-hours spent on the highways each year, whereas there might only be a billion man-hours spent in the air. I suppose one quick and easy way to do a representative comparison would be to think about the number of commercial bus drivers killed in accidents every year vs. the number of pilots, since they're both spending full time in their mode of transportation. I think you'd find comparable numbers there. Throw train engineers into the mix, and it would surprise me if you didn't deduce that trains weren't really the safest mode of transportation (not hard to believe when you consider facts like Japan's extensive shinkansen system never having a passenger fatality in more than 40 years of operation - but the country has had several major air accidents in that time).

I know this is probably a strange way of making the original poster feel better, but as a nervous flier myself, I know that whenever somebody throws stats like these at me, it just feels dismissive. It's like saying "you shouldn't feel that way, get over it." I don't think that's really helpful, especially when the stats don't seem believable to begin with. I think it's more helpful to validate those feelings and then work on ways to deal with them.

For myself, as someone who's been through various commercial air "incidents", I've taken it upon myself to learn pretty much everything there is to know about every major accident I can find information on. I've learned a lot about how airplanes really work and I've learned a lot about common causes of accidents. And while I know that unexpected things can happen at any time, I feel more confident after this self-learning because I now know for a fact - because I've read all the reports myself - that most accidents happen on takeoff and landing. So I am usually still pretty bad at those times, but during cruise I am ok now. I figure that's a start, anyway - at least about 80-90% of any given flight is bearable.

I used to be really bad in turbulence too, but I can't think of any accident that was directly caused by turbulence. A few have happened indirectly because of it, but those cases were really down to either pilot error (e.g. AA flight 587) or a mechanical issue (e.g. the Evergreen 747 that lost an engine in turbulence because of poor maintenance on the pylon). So while I still worry about those things, I'm learning to trust that most of the time, professionals will do their job properly - and it's no different than the trust I put in a train engineer or bus driver. The turbulence itself is not anything to worry about.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:37 pm

Deffinitly not a stupid question at all. I get nervous before a commercial flight as well. I know in the back of my mind there is nothing to be scared of. Getting your ratings helped me alot though, just because its alot easier for me to know roughly whats going on up in the front.

You'll be fine dude dont worry most people do get a little nervous at least before a flight. Except my dad but I almost think he wouldnt mind if a plane went down  rotfl 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:03 pm

Spacecadet
I take a little offence at your comment that the Evergreen engine loss was due to poor maintenance. I worked for Evergreen at the time. The event happened on March 31 1993 at about 1234 Alaska Standard time. The a/c encountered severe to possibly extreme turbulence departing Anchorage.
Quoting from the "NTSB Reporter", March 1994 issue. "The engine separated from the airplane as a result of structural breakup of the No. 2 engine pylon. The breakup began at a 2-inch-long fatigue crack in the firewall forward web, near the front engine mount bulkhead. The fatigue crack reduced the ultimate lateral load carrying capability of the pylon structure by about 10 percent. There was no requirement to perform inspections in the area of the forward firewall web of the pylon where the crack was found". So yes, the was a pre-existing fatigue crack. No one knew it, and there was no requirement to inspect the area where the crack was found. So explain to me, how is that poor maintenance? Yes, shoddy maintenance caused the pylon on the AA flight from Chicago that lost an engine. But not this time.

For an in-flight breakup that was caused directly by turbulence, think of the BOAC 707 that was ripped apart over Mt Fuji in Japan.

I don't mean to sound defensive, but when someone says "poor maintenance" caused an accident. I say "prove it".
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:12 pm

For all of you that say you can sleep on a plane, I am in that boat and then some. I have a little story:

I fly a LOT, once or twice weekly, and I only have slept on a plane once, in my entire life. That one time I will never forget. It was the fourth and final leg of a damn DOMESTIC trip and I had flown all evening and all night, and most of the morning. I fell asleep, and when I awoke, I had the worst pain in my right eyebrow that was the worst pain that I have ever experienced. I guess it was because I had slept through most of our descent and had not popped my ears, so basically my sinuses woke me up with extreme pain. Since, I have flown on 13, 14, 15 hour flights without even dozing off, because I am freaked out, not of going to sleep, but the waking up part.

That is why I can't or don't sleep on planes, so my advice to you is to be well rested before your flight. Also, I have one piece of advice I tell anyone who is afraid of flying or especially turbulence (which I don't like too much of) is to pretend you are the captain, and you are the one flying the plane.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 26):
These statistics have always been manipulated to favor the airline industry.

No they are not. Many of them are conducted by statisticians and mathematicians who have nothing personal to gain.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 26):
I'm not even sure what the real statistics are, but generally whenever I've seen these statistics thrown around they don't take into account a) the vast difference in the number of hours people spend in cars vs. airplanes every year, and b) the vast difference in the number of miles people drive vs. fly on each trip (sometimes these stats are derived by comparing mile for mile).

Well they actually do take into account all the above factors you have pointed. That is the foundation of the science of probability. Trust me. I can write on and on and would not know where to end. Ask a statistician if you know of one and he or she will give you the same answer.

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 25):
Hope this helps and safe and happy flying!

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:21 am

Nitin,

Just come down to NZ and do a bit of skydiving. You will never feel scared again.

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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:24 am

Definitely not a stupid question. I fly over 200,000 miles a year and can hanlde almost anything. The only thing that gets me is fire, but that's because I had friends on the Swissair MD-11.

My wife is more afraid of flying. One day, shhe suggested that we should take seperate flights on a trip so that we would not risk orphaning our children. My response was that we should stay on the same flight, but take seperate cabs to the airport!
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:28 am

I don't mean this to sound flippant or sarcastic, but have you tried some liquor before you fly? Being happy and relaxed sure does help reduce the stress factor. Personally, I'm not too thrilled with heavy turbulance. But, if I've had a few drinks, I am able to concentrate more on the fun ride through the sky and less on the "what if's" of flying. I don't understand why people pay money to go to amusement parks and get flung around on rides. However, after a few drinks and a turbulant ride up the California coast on an EMB120 with storms rolling in off the Pacific, I start to understand it a little bit. It is no coincidence that they sell little bottles of liquor on planes.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:36 am

just a tip, make sure u sit on top of the black-box cos tht's the bit they always find!

just kidding, there's nothing to worry about-think about how many hours are spent by mechanics on each plane.

enjoy the flight.
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:46 am

Have a safe flight, and enjoy it. I love flying, and am generally fine with all aspects, but as somebody above said, it's being taken out of our routine which can be tough to adapt to.

On the stats thing, comparing it another way to the 1 in 11 million odds, the stats people have calculated that if you were to fly everyday of your life, on average it would take about 350yrs before you would be involved in an accident, and the odds are that you would survive.

So relax and enjoy yourself  Smile
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:54 am

I get nervous at times too, mostly when we get near large cities. I guess that is some leftover fear after 9/11.

But actually, on my last trip I was more nervous on the car ride to the airport. Two days before the guy driving me ran a red light, and has a habit of doing 90-110 on the highway.
After that you could strap me to the wing and I'd be more at ease than I was in the car.

[Edited 2006-10-20 02:55:54]
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:20 am

You shouldn't be scared because you're not flying in Aeropostal xD
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mainMAN
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:05 am

I'm not worried about flying by myself, but what I HATE is taking the kids with me.

We're going to Ireland on Saturday for a few days and I feel like I'm subjecting them to unnecessary risk and a little part of me wishes I hadn't booked it in the first place, but that's just stupid!.....hmmmm
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:12 am

I also can't sleep on the plane, so I take daytime flights. When I fly to Europe, it's always a flight from MIA to BOS the afternoon before, sleep at the BOS Hilton (great hotel), and then take the 9am flight BOS-LHR.

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain, but it's better for me because:

a) I don't have that overnight flight to deal with
b) It actually helps combat jet-lag

Now, this may not be realistic or possible in many cases for everyone else, but it works for me.

Also, I tend to get terribly bored during cruise, even with my laptop loaded with TV shows, movies and music. My "fear" of flying is actually a fear of boredom!

One other tip. Depending on the airline, it's possible to choose your seat in advance. Try experimenting with what areas of the plane you feel most comfortable/least anxious flying in.

I tend to favor the last row or two of whatever cabin I am in. Note, I said cabin, and not the aircraft itself. I have no idea why I'm not as comfortable sitting in the middle rows of the cabin, but it's just a fact for me, so I accept it!

Row 27 in AA 777s is a sheer delight when I'm flying Economy class. Same goes for row 17 in AA 763s if you can get it (you need to specifically request it at the gate).
 
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RE: An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 40):
Also, I tend to get terribly bored during cruise, even with my laptop loaded with TV shows, movies and music. My "fear" of flying is actually a fear of boredom!

Yeah, the worst thing about flying is the tedium and boredom during cruise. I sit there sometimes bored out of my brains, waiting to feel the first sign of descent, because I know that there follows about 25 minutes of rubbish collection, bumps and clouds and just something else to think about.

I can only read and watch TV for so long, so I seem to spend a lot of time day-dreaming about how long it is until I can get off.

Arriving at any airport, anywhere, is wonderful  Smile

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