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KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:37 am

Korean Air President and COO, Jong Hee Lee, today has said that Houston and Miami are likely to be the 14th and 15th US cities added to Korean Air's US passenger network. It would be interesting if what he says comes true.
http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6775

He hints that Houston is quite likely to launch next year, and Houston has been talked about a lot. I'd pretty much say the chances of Houston happening are close to 100%. MIA is definitley a surprise, but I've always thought if any airline ever tries to launch a Miami-Orient flight, Korean Air would be the first one willing to do it, because they take more risks than most Asian carriers on entering smaller to-Asia traffic markets, such as Dallas, Prague, and St. Petersburg (Russia).

Korean Air has the most extensive US network of any Asian airline, and flies to many cities with few or no Asian airlines, including Anchorage, Atlanta, Dallas, Las Vegas, and Washington, D.C.

Also stated are potential new cargo flights to Tel Aviv, Moscow, Istanbul, and Mexico City, joining the recently added Stockholm and Miami.
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:50 am

If the Korean plan for a Seoul-Houston flight becomes a reality -- which I agree is virtually certain because of the SkyTeam partnership with Continental -- I think that could likely spell the end for the airline's D/FW-Seoul flights. The D/FW flights have hung on, surprisingly, since the Delta pull-out that killed lots of feed for the route. However, if Korean opened up a flight a few hundred miles south to a big partner's hub, I doubt if North Texas would retain its flights. Too bad.
 
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
since the Delta pull-out that killed lots of feed for the route.

AA provides twice as much feed for KE at DFW then DL ever did.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 2):
AA provides twice as much feed for KE at DFW then DL ever did.

And CO will provide twice as much feed as AA at DFW through IAH because of actual codeshares, not just interline ticketing.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:36 am

Wow! Very good. But as stated, I would leave it to Korean to start the MIA service. I think it is a wise move. Beats a 1World airline to the punch though. I would have thought 1 of them would have been first to start MIA service
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:58 am

I have to admit I am taken aback by this news. Many in H-Town have been speculating and wishing for this service, all the while I was saying that it would not happen, well it looks as if I may be wrong. That said, without a firm start up date mentioned, KE will join that ever growing list of carriers that have mentioned 'possible' IAH services. I'll believe it when I see that blue tail sitting at D.

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Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
I have to admit I am taken aback by this news. Many in H-Town have been speculating and wishing for this service, all the while I was saying that it would not happen, well it looks as if I may be wrong. That said, without a firm start up date mentioned, KE will join that ever growing list of carriers that have mentioned 'possible' IAH services. I'll believe it when I see that blue tail sitting at D.

The one thing about Korean Air is that they have a good record of "pre-announcing routes" and then actually starting them, such as Las Vegas and Seattle, which were pre-announced months and months (SEA I think by over a year) before any official PR.
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:31 am

MIA-ICN is 7747 mi. What kind of equipment do you think KE would use? 744ER or a 772ER?

Would there be much O&D between the two? MIA could be a good gateway to South America for Korean travelers, but I would think that LAX, ORD, IAH, DFW, JFK would provide many more connecting opportunities.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 7):
744ER

They dont have the 744ER pax only Qantas does. But they do have 744F.
This flight would also be a little too for the 722ER to a stop would be needed.

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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 8):
This flight would also be a little too for the 722ER to a stop would be needed.

I think KE has some 787s on order. Seems like the 787 would be perfect for a long and thin route like ICN MIA.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 2):

AA provides twice as much feed for KE at DFW then DL ever did.

Yes, but CO and KE are in an actual alliance.

Great news. I'd bet that both are started with the 772ER. Tough titties for DFW if they lose the route, aren't they going to get a Qantas flight once they recieve the 772LR?
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
If the Korean plan for a Seoul-Houston flight becomes a reality -- which I agree is virtually certain because of the SkyTeam partnership with Continental -- I think that could likely spell the end for the airline's D/FW-Seoul flights. The D/FW flights have hung on, surprisingly, since the Delta pull-out that killed lots of feed for the route. However, if Korean opened up a flight a few hundred miles south to a big partner's hub, I doubt if North Texas would retain its flights. Too bad.

Don't forget, too, that Dallas has a decent Korean population north of downtown.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:19 am

What are the loads on KE's flights out of DFW?

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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:32 am

Thomas,

Things are going to develop fast for IAH (IMO), I would expect flights to India and a couple of Gulf Airlines.

Emirates, QR, Ethiad, Gulf Air, Air India, Kuwait Airways are strong possibilities for IAH service in the next 4-5 years IMO.
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:48 am

I heard once that KE was also looking at DTW mainly for Skyteam feed. Wonder if that will ever pan out.

MIA ... what is the business demand to Korea? This would probably not be daily. Maybe 3 or 4 per week. KE has lots of destinations but frequency is not that high.

As for South American feed. MIA or IAH both are good. But IAH would give a KE/Skyteam FF member miles through CO.

With KE doing all this expansion, I wonder if other East Asian carriers will respond (JL, NH or OZ). I know that OZ lacks fleet, NH is being very very conservative and focusing on improving product (Goal: become #1 in Asia) and JL is just getting done with a merger. Untill now JL has had more frequency to the US and actually had good feed from Korea and other parts of Asia. Now KE is stepping up and offing even more feed and destinations this could take a little more from JL.
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
Thomas,

Things are going to develop fast for IAH (IMO), I would expect flights to India and a couple of Gulf Airlines.

Emirates, QR, Ethiad, Gulf Air, Air India, Kuwait Airways are strong possibilities for IAH service in the next 4-5 years IMO.

Hey STT,

While I may seem a little pessimistic in regards to IAH's ability to attract foreign metal, I actually agree in large part with your assessment about IAH's future. I am just one of those who does not believe in getting his hope up too high, too soon. Indeed I would be elated to see KE's Boeings at IAH and per MAH4546's stellar history of accurate reporting, I believe that it is a reality, the $64 question is.....when?

I find it interesting that almost all of the new carriers looking at IAH are either Asian of African DT, yet noting from Europe or S. America.

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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 15):
I find it interesting that almost all of the new carriers looking at IAH are either Asian of African DT, yet noting from Europe or S. America.

In the mid 1990s Houston came very close to getting nonstop service to Italy either via AZ or CO (or both), they had a strong alliance then with CO's Dual livery DC-10.

Would definitely love to see Alitalia serve Houston, AZ could serve MXP and CO could serve FCO.

As for South America the most likey carrier would be Lan Chile (they already have cargo flights to IAH right?), Lan would probably serve Houston with a stop enroute via Peru or Ecquador.
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
As for South America the most likey carrier would be Lan Chile (they already have cargo flights to IAH right?), Lan would probably serve Houston with a stop enroute via Peru or Ecuador.

Actually they did back in the 90s early 00s.
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. And let's not forget the mysterious and so far unseen Cargoitalia which made a big splash with the local press but never showed to the party?

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
Would definitely love to see Alitalia serve Houston, AZ could serve MXP and CO could serve FCO.

Considering their financial status, I am not holding my breath. Frankly I would expect to see them re-start LAX as rumoured over an untried IAH.

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Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 17):
And let's not forget the mysterious and so far unseen Cargoitalia which made a big splash with the local press but never showed to the party?

Thomas,
Oh ye of little faith...CargoItalia did make ONE flight with their own metal and a few others with Gemini service back in August. Exact date was August 11th for their own airplane.

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Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:25 pm

Jeffery,

Thanks for the update on the Cargoitalia situation. I am tyring to keep up with events back home all the way down here. So far none of IAH's intrepid bunch of shooters have managed to get this bird in it's Cargoitalia's plumage. Hopefully I'll get a chance at it when I return next week.

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Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:17 pm

Thomas,

To my knowledge, the DC-10 hasn't been back since that particular day, hence the lack of plumage shown  Smile

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Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:59 am

KE doesn't operate pax flights to MIA just CARGO on 744F.
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
As for South America the most likey carrier would be Lan Chile (they already have cargo flights to IAH right?), Lan would probably serve Houston with a stop enroute via Peru or Ecquador.

A 1world carrier in IAH with pax service to Latin America? I would suspect you would see LAN at DFW before IAH.
 
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 22):
A 1world carrier in IAH with pax service to Latin America? I would suspect you would see LAN at DFW before IAH.

Definately. Their feed because they are in oneworld is much better.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
And CO will provide twice as much feed as AA at DFW through IAH because of actual codeshares, not just interline ticketing.

I think there is no feed at DFW for KE because there is no Skyteam hub there. The flight is still sticking based on O&D. IAH could be good for it.
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RE: KE: More Planes; IAH, MIA Passenger Flights

Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 21):
KE doesn't operate pax flights to MIA just CARGO on 744F.

The thread topic is referring to the fact that Korean Air has said they are looking at adding passengers flights to MIA, in addition to the recently begun cargo service.
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