juventus
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Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:04 am

Mexicana is now looking at Chicago's Gary airport, surprising since they pulled out of Midway.
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articl...14c714aaadcb6586257205007bad56.txt


Aeromexico is expanding at San Antonio, going from weekly to daily.

[Edited 2006-10-19 18:10:28]
 
Fyano773
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Aeromexico is expanding at San Antonio, going from weekly to daily.

The flight will be operated with 737. Further, AM (AeroLitoral) flies MTY-SAT with Embraer ERJ-145.

Seems AM is rapidly stealing market share from MX in both cities, SAT & CHI...

...and probably YYZ.

MX, awake!

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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:29 am

Perhaps GYY should start advertising the benefits of their airport...

"Tired of the endless delays at ORD and MDW? Come use our uncrowded, uncongested airport!!"

Public perception will change once lower fares and less congestion become well-known. The travelling public will vote with their pocketbook as they always do.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:04 am

GYY could work for MX, but instead of looking there they should try at MDW. I don't even know why MX pulled out of MDW.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:42 am

I knew Aeroliteral flew SAT-MTY, but how long has AeroMexico been flying to San Antonio and what city/cities do they serve?
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:39 am

Anyone have any idea how big GYY's FIS is?
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Gortsilo (Reply 3):
GYY could work for MX, but instead of looking there they should try at MDW. I don't even know why MX pulled out of MDW

I agree with you. I think MX should reconsider going back to Midway before they look at Gary. Many people still don't know where Gary airport is located.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:57 am

Mx has expressed interest in using GYY but at this time we cannot accomadate the new requirements for customs and immigration for air carriers.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:32 am

MX has also expressed interest in serving Little Rock (Arkansas).
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/168417/

Lately it seems they been interested more in smaller airports. Probably a good thing, less competition with AM and the US carriers.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:55 am

Mexicana should look into going back to MDW. The only obstacle for MX at MDW is trying to find a slot to get into the two international gates(A2 and A3) for their arrivals.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Gortsilo (Reply 3):
they should try at MDW. I don't even know why MX pulled out of MDW.

I recall reading here once that the main reason was that it was costly to operate to/from two different airports in the same metro area. In any case, there was not much MX service from MDW, was there? It was MDW-GDL or MDW-CUN, I am not sure which of the two.

Quoting Jimbo83 (Reply 4):
how long has AeroMexico been flying to San Antonio and what city/cities do they serve?

AM mainline at SAT is fairly recent. I think they started with 2 or 3x weekly flights... and it seems according to Juventus that now they are doing only one weekly flight. I am glad they will be doing this daily! I should plan a weekend shopping trip soon.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:14 am

FYI for those of you following US-Mexico flights. SCK (Stockton, CA) is moving again on getting a FIS. There have been meetings that are resolving the previous blockage.

Looks like it might be possible for AM to start flights there late next year.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
"Tired of the endless delays at ORD and MDW? Come use our uncrowded, uncongested airport!!"

"chirp... chirp... chirp... ribbit..."

That is what GYY sounds like now; think of what could be if MX, Delta, others come in and take advantage...

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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):
In any case, there was not much MX service from MDW, was there? It was MDW-GDL or MDW-CUN, I am not sure which of the two.

Mexicana flew MDW-GDL, MDW-ZCL and MDW-MLM.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:36 am

Thanks for the info Mexicana757; quite logical that they served the three biggest ethnical markets from MDW.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:17 pm

AM was flying one per week MEX-SAT on tuesdays which I never understood (which market are you looking for with 1x week on tuesdays?) Apparently they will go daily starting November...

AM632 MEX-SAT 10:50-12:50
AM633 SAT-MEX 14:00-16:05

Regarding MX's interest in Gary, I don't think they will run a profitable flight. MDW was a disaster for MX, which was started only to compete against TZ's new flight to GDL. They finally realize that having two stations in Chicago was too expensive specially when MDW could not provide connections like ORD thanks to AA's hub.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
MDW could not provide connections like ORD thanks to AA's hub.

Or more appropriately, UA's hub. Back when MX flew to MDW (2002 or so), it was a Star member and, therefore, a UA partner.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
Regarding MX's interest in Gary, I don't think they will run a profitable flight.

Agree. They should look at places like PHX, ATL, PHL, not a small airport in Chicago that nobody knows about.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 17):
Agree. They should look at places like PHX, ATL, PHL, not a small airport in Chicago that nobody knows about.

At one point, weren't they considering STL  Confused

Once the East Terminal FIS is renovated, MX could CERTAINLY get some use out of it.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:49 am

I had no idea that MDW has a Port-of-Entry Facility.
Given the large Mexican population in the Great Chicagoland area, It would be of no surprise to see a Mexican airline fly to MDW, MKE or even GYY.
IMHO, If GYY is to have a Port-of-Entry facility, GYY Chicagoland-México flights would work; Same for MKE-México flights.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 19):
I had no idea that MDW has a Port-of-Entry Facility.

Yep. TZ did a lot of flights MDW flights to/from Mexico and the Carribean back in the day.
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Jimbo83 (Reply 4):
but how long has AeroMexico been flying to San Antonio and what city/cities do they serve?



Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
on tuesdays which I never understood (which market are you looking for with 1x week on tuesdays?) Apparently they will go daily starting November...

My mom flew this route in july and she told me that both inbound and outbound flights were totally full. And that the times of arrival and departure are very comfortable.
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 21):
My mom flew this route in july and she told me that both inbound and outbound flights were totally full. And that the times of arrival and departure are very comfortable.

On the other side, I flew MX MEX-SAT-MEX during the first week of september and loads were aprox 45 passengers for the inbound and 30 for the outbound flight. Both legs A320...
 
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:45 am

Does anyone one why MX cancelled most of its nonstop flights GDL-ORD??
there used to be 3 and now there's only one at a very inconvenient time....

Was not GDL-ORD nonstop one of the most profitable routes for MX??

Weird...

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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 17):
Agree. They should look at places like PHX, ATL, PHL, not a small airport in Chicago that nobody knows about.

Well, it looks like that airport, which is actually in another state, doesn't even have an FIS, so it doesn't really make a difference. Still, I am guessing that MX would be aiming at the large Mexican population in the Chicagoland area, which dwarfs those of Atlanta and Philadelphia. As far as Phoenix goes, it is already pretty well served to Mexico, with flights to MEX, GDL, HMO, MTY, GYM, ACA, CUN, ZIH, LOS, MZT, and PVR
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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting Orbis (Reply 23):
Does anyone one why MX cancelled most of its nonstop flights GDL-ORD?? there used to be 3 and now there's only one at a very inconvenient time....

Most probably to re-route them in other routes or stations due to fleet shortage. More over, the virtually extra 5 A320s system they placed in action in order to increase its aircraft daily utilization has now gone to 3/4 as they have found out that it only works having at least one spare aircraft to shuffle in when needed as they have also had had some problems lately with several incidents here and there and the usual stuff and risks an airline has.

Times are changing, fierece competition from DL and UA has started, now they're in CHP.11 have realized the weakness of MX and AM as well as CO's gold mine... inside we have a fierce battle!!! Many things are changing in these days... I certainly now not know what will happen.

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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 25):
as they have also had had some problems lately with several incidents here and there

Would you mind elaborate a little further??

OTOH, Tomorrow (sun oct 22nd) I will be flying MX004 MEX-JFK in C. I was surprised to find out that both the outbound and inbound flights will be on an A318. Formerly this route was on B757's. Has MX already gotten rid of all its b757's. if not, what route are they serving??

Is the Clase Ejecutiva on the "medium haul" baby buses as cramped as it is on the domestic 318's or does MX have different layouts??

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RE: Am Expands At SAT, MX Looking At Chicago's Gary

Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Orbis (Reply 26):
Would you mind elaborate a little further??

Yes, well I refered to small incidents as issues you might have constantly all days. Perhaps your plane landed @ MEX and you have to change something on electrical systems or small issues which delay your aircraft 2 or 3 or 4 hours, and this of course affects all your system and routes, there's where problems pop when you try to stretch your fleet to the maxium utilization but you still need to lease and have spare aircrafts!!!

Just like MXB this week had a problem with a lavatory which delayed the flight 8 hours, almost exactly what it takes the flight from EZE to MEX... ok you have a problem there but you can fix it.. if you have a delayed flight then you take a spare 767 and place it on schedule for the next MEX-EZE at the night, instead of doing that, MX has to fasten up everything and wait for Tuesday night which there's no flight to EZE to recover the schedule... same thing happened to Interjet which they were flying with one aircraft less for a period of 30 days in August not to mention Avolar's BIG DELAYS for 5 to 10 hours due to fleet shoratge. You can't do MIRACLES!! Aircrafts suffered from damage and need small mx!!!

Quoting Orbis (Reply 26):
Formerly this route was on B757's. Has MX already gotten rid of all its b757's. if not, what route are they serving??

Two last B752s on MX fleet only... the B757s are leaving soon, perhaps by early 2007 we will see them go.

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