fll2993
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767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:40 am

About a week when i went to chicago i flew WN. On the ramp was an unmarked 767. How could a 767 land at mdw isnt the runway way to short for those beasts. Im 100 % sure it was a 767. Any one no what it was doing at mdw?
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:14 am

Do you have ANY other information? a picture? anything?

If my memory serves me properly Midways longest runway is about 6500ft. This is MORE than enough runway for even a decently loaded 767.

Here at KPAE we see 767's on a regular basis and when they leave they use about half of the 9000' available runways.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:17 am

Do you remember which gate? Did you see a registration number?
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:24 am

nah it was to fast so see anything it was actually near the wn hangar
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Reply 3):
nah it was to fast so see anything it was actually near the wn hangar

Anyone know what is near the WN hangar at Midway?
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):
Anyone know what is near the WN hangar at Midway?

Could be our new 767 getting ready for the new MDW-HNL runs....  duck 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Could be our new 767 getting ready for the new MDW-HNL runs....

I'll note your sarcasm... and raise you a NOT!! ehhe
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:44 am

what do u been by "ours"

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Could be our new 767 getting ready for the new MDW-HNL runs....
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):
Anyone know what is near the WN hangar at Midway?

Nothing is close by the WN hangars. It probably was 757.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:00 am

no it wasnt a 757 i know my aircraft.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:00 am

Might be a bizjet, are there that many out there? Google has one of them, any others?

If a 67 is used as a bizjet, most runways should be long enough...
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:07 am

Wasn't there a rumor ATA was getting a used 767? and the WN hangar was formerly ATA's correct? Could that be possible?

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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:07 am

Could it be this aircraft?

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This one is a Pace Airlines Boeing 757-200 (reg. N757BJ). The aircraft arrived in MDW at 11:17pm last night. It took the Minnesota Timberwolves to Chicago for their game against the Chicago Bulls tonight.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:11 am

pilottim,

where do you get your information from?
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:11 am

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1121935/M/

im not saying that's the exact aircraft but it looked exactly like it.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Reply 10):
no it wasnt a 757 i know my aircraft.



Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 12):
Could it be this aircraft?

Obviously FII2993 is pretty confident. No offense to anyone in here... but a 757 and 767 are very difficult to confuse. The nose, fues, over all size, and height. You gotta be blind to confuse them...

I guess MAYBE from a very long distance away but to a trained eye its still very obvious.

A 767 could have easily been there. For what? Who knows... My guess is a charter or biz-jet though. There is always a good reason.  Wink
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:24 am

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1121935/M/

im not saying that's the exact aircraft but it looked exactly like it.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Reply 7):
what do u been by "ours"

OPNLguy is a dispatcher for WN.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 17):
OPNLguy is a dispatcher for WN.

Nah, I work for SWA...  Wink
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:37 am

opnl were r u based ???????????????????????????????????
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:44 am

Here is a link to a discussion about 767 landing at MDW
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 13):
pilottim,

where do you get your information from?

The flight information is from Flightaware.com. I know its the Timberwolves because I the Timberwolves are travelling with Pace Airlines this year and they were in GRR for a game on Oct 18.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 15):
Obviously FII2993 is pretty confident. No offense to anyone in here... but a 757 and 767 are very difficult to confuse. The nose, fues, over all size, and height. You gotta be blind to confuse them...

It does appear that FII2993 is very confident.

However, it is possible to confuse a B757 for a B767...depending on the angle and distance away from the aircraft you'd be amazed. I admit to wrongly spotting a B767 before.

Quoting Fll2993 (Thread starter):
About a week when i went to chicago i flew WN.

When exaclty did you see this aircraft? Was it last week?
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:48 am

For what it's worth, I combed Flight Aware and found only 757s running in and out of MDW.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:55 am

yeah it was last week from fll we landed on runway 13C/31C so i got a very close view to wn hanger taxing back to the gate. Im sure it was a 767.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Reply 23):

What day?
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:10 am

I just talked to someone who works in airport operations at MDW. A 767 WAS NOT AT MDW. Most likely you saw a 757. Just to be clear while technically a 767 can easily land at MDW it is the policy of the City of Chicago Deparment of Aviation which owns and opertates the airport not to allow any widebody aircraft to land at the airport.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:18 am

About 15+ years ago working for Midway as I remember a ATA 767 landed and took off from 22L. People on the ramp watched the 767-200 just clear 63rd and Central. As the jet's engines revved to the dust cloud a 55 and Cicero was huge.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:22 am

what part of chicago is mdw called?
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Mdw22l31c (Reply 26):
I remember a ATA 767

ATA had 767s? Back in their American Trans Air days, I know they had a single DC-10-30 (that eventually burned up at ORD), and some L-1011s, but when did they ever have 767s?
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Mdw22l31c (Reply 26):

ATA has NEVER had 767's.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Mdw22l31c (Reply 26):
About 15+ years ago working for Midway as I remember a ATA 767 landed and took off from 22L. People on the ramp watched the 767-200 just clear 63rd and Central. As the jet's engines revved to the dust cloud a 55 and Cicero was huge.

ATA never had 767s. They have L1011s which never came to MDW. The largest ATA aircraft ever at MDW were 757-300 which have since been sold.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 28):
DC-10-30

Close my friend...it was a DC10-40 leased from NW

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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 31):

Close my friend...it was a DC10-40 leased from NW

Always thought it was a -30; thanks for the correction.

True story: Used to have a buddy up there, and I asked him if the mechanic that had been working on the row of seats (while in the cargo compartment) had gotten nailed, and he said the guy was sort of a hero, since they'd been trying to get rid of the bird for awhile...  Wink

Steering back towards the centerline of the thread, an ATA 767 at MDW would have been sorta difficult to see...
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 30):
The largest ATA aircraft ever at MDW were 757-300 which have since been sold.

ATA still has 4 757-300s.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 28):
I know they had a single DC-10-30 (that eventually burned up at ORD),

They actually also had a DC-10-10 (N183AT), the "City of Indianapolis". As noted above, 184, the flambe plane, was a -40, but whatever.

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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Reply 27):
what part of chicago is mdw called?

The neighborhood around it is called Midway, it is surrounded by: Archer Heights, Vittum Park, Garfield Ridge, Clearing, West Edison, and West Lawn
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Fll2993 (Thread starter):
On the ramp was an unmarked 767. How could a 767 land at mdw isnt the runway way to short for those beasts.

United flew regular, scheduled service on 762s between BUR and ORD and the runway at BUR is only 386 feet longer than at MDW. 767s are made for short runway performance because they were originally concieved as a shorter range jet.

Quoting Fll2993 (Thread starter):
Any one no what it was doing at mdw?

There are a few private 767s flying around
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Just to add, the 763 & Airbus A300B2/B4/-600 have used the old Hiroshima airport (HIW) before the opening of the new airport in 1994. The old airport has only 1,800m (5,905 ft) of runway.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:45 pm

ual did land a dc10 back in the late 80s at mdw...due to ord wx...ferried out empty...and when i say empty....the only thing left was the seats ....we actually pulled everything out down to what was in the seat pockets....
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 38):
ual did land a dc10 back in the late 80s at mdw...due to ord wx...ferried out empty...and when i say empty....the only thing left was the seats ....we actually pulled everything out down to what was in the seat pockets....

Why would they have to do that? I mean, with just a ferry crew, the plane should have been plenty light to make a hop to ORD.
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:06 pm

It wasn't a 767 unless there was some extreme emergency and we probably would have heard about that.

The 767 is not allowed at MDW. This discussion comes up every so often and someone is always "certain" it was an aircraft bigger that the 753, it wasn't.

To be convinced, I would have to see pictures and would still be wary of a photo-shop deal. I would ride out to MDW to see it.

There is no excuse not to get a picture of an event like this. There are stores in the airport and inconvenience stores all around MDW. Anyone with so much aircraft knowledge as you claim to have to be sure it was a 767, at MDW, would have bought a $10 disposable camera and clicked a few shots.

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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 21):
The flight information is from Flightaware.com. I know its the Timberwolves because I the Timberwolves are travelling with Pace Airlines this year and they were in GRR for a game on Oct 18

Being in GRR, I can confirm N757BJ as Pace 1504 was in GRR and took the Timberwolves to MDW late Wednesday evening.

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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 28):
I know they had a single DC-10-30 (that eventually burned up at ORD)

I saw that plane while it was still smoldering, not the kind of thing that you want to see just before you take off.
 
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RE: 767 @ Mdw

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 38):
ual did land a dc10 back in the late 80s at mdw...

UAL also brought in a stretch DC-8 in the late '70's or early '80's for some PR event, but I can't remember if it was a -61 or a -71 which would have made a big difference in performance during departure.

When it ferried into MDW, I recall that it had some personnel and equipment on it, as well as a bunch of pineapples (to help promote UAL’s flagship Royal Hawaiian First Class Service).

It seems to me that it ferried out of MDW empty (pilots & FE only) with just enough fuel to be legal to make the hop back to ORD.

I remember the event, as my father was a UAL mechanic who was involved in logistics for the operation. I'll give him a call and see if he can provide any more specific information, should anyone happen to be interested.

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