bravogolf
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Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:27 am

Just ran into an interesting article in Jane's Airport Review. Seems that Atlanta is ordering 10! new 3000 gallon Oshkosh crash trucks. The 380 is rated category 10 and requires 15,000 gallons of water in the first responding rigs. Seems like new jet bridges and the like are not the only new airport costs
 
nudelhirsch
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:48 am

There is no industry where companies can afford to refuse to keep up with innovation. Not either airports. Nobody is blaming Boeing for selling the 747 while many airports cannot handle that.

Yet Airbus is being bashed for the 380.

Atlanta should keep up to date if they want ongoing major business.
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Tom in NO
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Bravogolf (Thread starter):
Seems like new jet bridges and the like are not the only new airport costs

Usually the FAA picks up something like 75% of the purchase price of an ARFF vehicle.....the airport owner/operator picks up what's left over.

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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 1):
There is no industry where companies can afford to refuse to keep up with innovation.

Right, although buying new crash trucks isn't exactly what I would call innovation Wink. In the end, ATL has to decide whether the estimated A380 traffic justifies the costs for updating the airport. In any case, neither will ATL die without the A380, nor will the A380 die without ATL. I guess it's more about money and costs than about refusing to keep up with innovation.
 
nudelhirsch
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:56 am

The innovation here is the A380. It's new, as a product, and also new to the industry.
If ATL wants to get contracts with the big players, here the ones who bought the 380, they need to be all over the place. ATL is a supplier to airlines, we all expect suppliers to be up there, just not when it's about the 380?
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting Bravogolf (Thread starter):
Seems that Atlanta is ordering 10! new 3000 gallon Oshkosh crash trucks.

I doubt the order has much to do with the A380. They're probably ordering some of them to replace older vehicles (There are some ARFF vehicles @ ATL that look like they date back to the 1970s) and are also supposed to be adding an additional fire station or two as well.
 
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 4):
ATL is a supplier to airlines, we all expect suppliers to be up there, just not when it's about the 380?

If the airlines themselves won't order the A380 or have no interest in using it to ATL then ATL has no incentive to adapt for the A380. ATL is only offering the product that meets the necessary demand. DL, ATL's biggest customer has expressed no interest for the A380, neither have any of the major pax carriers in the US. The only potential carrier flying the A380 to ATL AFAIK is AF (Skyteam member, as DL) . If time will show that the companies not ordering the A380 were wrong and the demand for such a plane will increase dramatically, I'm sure that in such a case ATL will have to adapt quickly to the new situation. Anyway, the A380 was mainly built with Asia and Europe in mind, not especially for the US
 
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:18 am

ATL is the hub in the south of America. USA, I mean here...  Wink
A bunch of airlines have ordered the 380, also ATL is competing with ORD and thusly interested in hub&spoke traffic, beyond Skyteam. If they only look at DL requirements they are lost.
And ORD is traffic restricted, they will try to snap away some business from ATL and invite airlines to run a hub on the 380 if ATL is not keeping up. Which they do, that's what we duscuss here...  Wink, but ATL needs to be up there or they lose a ton.
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bravogolf
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):

I doubt the order has much to do with the A380. They're probably ordering some of them to replace older vehicles (There are some ARFF vehicles @ ATL that look like they date back to the 1970s) and are also supposed to be adding an additional fire station or two as well.

According to the article, the oldest truck Atlanta has is a 1996. Atlanta has 5 stations and will get two trucks for each station. The FAA pays through AIP funds to replace the trucks on a 20 year cycle. They are also ordering two ladder towers and a stair truck.
 
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:30 pm

I would have to agree with Srbmod. The truck order is probably not based on the A380 alone. He lives there and has probably seen the trucks. Besides the 1996 date could be a typo. Does the article state a delivery timeframe?
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:56 pm

Guess IND will be buying some for A380 FedEx Scheduled, and Diversion Pax flights.... :0 good Job IND !!!
 
afrikaskyes
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:25 pm

So are they replacing those whacky bug eyed looking trucks they call the Jaguar K-15's? I am always intrigued when I see them cruising around.
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bravogolf
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RE: Whale Of A Arff Problem?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:27 pm

No time frame for delivery. Yes they are replacing the Jaguars Seems like theywill have a whole new fleet.

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