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When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:10 am

I was wondering again when EK plans to launch service to LAX? What is the hold up on launching this route? Is it slots or rights or something else?

Also what a/c would EK use on this route?

A345
772LR
773ER

Is there even enough traffic between LAX and DXB to launch this route being Dubai is touted as the tour capital of the Middle East?
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:22 am

This is just a guess, but:

There isn't enough premium traffic to warrant the super luxury 345 into LAX vs. another route where it fills the suites.

The other jets they have lack range until the 772LR arrives.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:33 am

Beats me, but I do think the route can be supported. Im not sure if a nonstop will be done or if the route will be done via Europe. LAX should definately be EK's next stop in America above all others. I think they would be foolish not to come here.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:59 am

My friend who works as a pilot for EK said that they are debating to go to LAX whn the A380 is delivered. Trust me, there is a lot of traffic between DXB and LAX, mostly in the summer because all the people who live in Dubai go to the US becuase of California's beutiful weather unlike Dubai's. In addition, people for other Middle Eastern coutries that do not offer Middle East- America flights can be connected in DXB for a flight to the US, instead of going to Europe.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:08 am

They could also go via Japan...

But if they always fly east, the 772LR can do the trip without issues. DXB-LAX flying east north of Japan is about 8600nm with a very strong tail wind. LAX-DXB going east is about 8000nm, again with a hefty tail wind for some of the flight. With DXB being a net importer, they'd have decent low density cargo ability on the LAX-DXB sector as well.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:15 am

No one knows.

I'll guess one year after IAH.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
The other jets they have lack range until the 772LR arrives.

When will they start getting their (10) 772LR, also the 773ER couldn't make this run or would there be restrictions? I know they fly it to SYD, SIN, AKL, JFK, and MAN.

Does not EK have about 12-13 of these active in the fleet now?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Im not sure if a nonstop will be done or if the route will be done via Europe.


Where in Europe? LHR, MAN?

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 5):
I'll guess one year after IAH.

Doubtful... IAH is on the list but not before LAX or SFO I would think.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
Doubtful... IAH is on the list but not before LAX or SFO I would think.

Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

EK's only codeshare destination (besides NYC) is IAH, their president has said that they were going to start Houston soon, there is even a UK CAA study advocating this service: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regionalfifths_casestudy1.pdf

To me, it seems that IAH just makes more sense from a business perspective. Houston has many business ties to the region which make it likely that premium classes will sell well; European airlines have done extremely well in premium sales. There is pleny of VFR traffic to help fill the back of the plane. LAX would probably do better than IAH for Y demand, but I don't know about premium classes. SFO is smaller than Houston and doesn't have the business ties...

I say IAH first.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:34 pm

DXB would be good for the Iranian population in LAX, who can visit THR (though they'd probably have to buy two tickets).
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:40 pm

AUH-LAX is already being planned for a start date in 2007 by Etihad, provided our requirements are met. Its too far for the B77W but the A345 can fly the route.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

SFO-DXB was loaded into GDS in 2005, but it never started. I'd say SFO will happen well before IAH ever does.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX

EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:07 pm

Back to the topic at hand.

Matt, your obsessed with EK dude!  yes   checkmark 

I'd love to see a EK 772LR at TBIT.  bouncy 

Is anything confirmed on EK even flying to LAX?

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
A380

As stated previously, the route might not even warrant a A345. Please explain why you think they should send a A380 to LAX?  confused 
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX

EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced

The EK 772LR's will be flying this route non-stop long before they receive their first A380.

In addition, the A380 can't fly the route non-stop unless payload is significantly restricted.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
DXB would be good for the Iranian population in LAX, who can visit THR (though they'd probably have to buy two tickets).

But a large portion of those Iranians are not allowed to go back to Iran. It's why they are here to begin with...

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 11):
EK does plan to introduce Dxb-Lax as one their first A380 routes as soon as they have a final date from Airbus on delivery it is to be announced.

I just don't get this. The A380 does not have the range for this route, so it must be a 5th freedom flight. Where is it going to come from?

And as someone else said, is EK that arrogant that they would start a route with the largest aircraft in the world? If there is so much demand, why aren't they sending a 1 stop 77W there now?
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:47 am

The B777-200LRs start arriving from the end of August 2007. A US service outside of JFK will be launched sometime in 4Q2007 by when they will enough aircraft to operate a daily service. The routes that are in contention for the first service are DXB-IAH, DXB-LAX and DXB-SFO.

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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think IAH is more likely than LAX and far, far more likely than SFO.

HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.

Uh...what on earth are you talking about? Dubai - Las Vegas? Are you joking me? Where does a 13 year old get off talking about which destinations Emirates should start serving

If you don't already know this, Houston is not just a random destination for traffic from the Middle East - there is business travel due to the prominence of the oil industry in Houston, though as I understand it this is not nearly as important a consideration as it was several years ago.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:05 am

Most THR traffic flies via Lufthansa or Swiss. It is legal to buy USA-Iran tickets in the USA, so only one ticket is required.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 13):
The EK 772LR's will be flying this route non-stop long before they receive their first A380.



So sad for Airbus... But so true. So you think EK will start DXB-LAX in winter 07' when they start getting 772LR's?


BTW: Whoever suggested DXB-LAS needs to be slapped stupid. Dubia already has a 7star hotel/casino!  yes 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
HOUSTON!!! What the heck? I really doubt they will go to IAH before LAX or even before SFO. Another option is LAS.

All the Houston naysayers on this forum make me laugh.
As NateDal has mentioned, EK has an established codeshare out of IAH and will probably send their own metal to IAH, sooner rather than later. In fact outside of the NYC market, EK only presence in the Americas, via codeshare or their own metal, is at IAH.

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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 20):
All the Houston naysayers on this forum make me laugh.
As NateDal has mentioned, EK has an established codeshare out of IAH and will probably send their own metal to IAH, sooner rather than later. In fact outside of the NYC market, EK only presence in the Americas, via codeshare or their own metal, is at IAH.

I think EK will show up at IAH, but not before LAX. The Los Angeles metro area is around 3 times the size of Houston and LAX is almost twice as busy. The middle eastern community is much larger in LA. The one thing Houston might have is better connection opprotunites on CO.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:36 am

A couple of things to consider:

1. Whenever proposed SFO or LAX to Dubai routes were discussed in the past, the A346HGW aircraft was always mentioned as aircraft of choice for these future routes. The EK order for the A346HGW has been put on hold (or has it been cancelled, its still unclear) so can we conclude that the LAX and SFO routes have also been put on hold? We dont know.

2. Most of us have been amazed at the number of airplanes that EK has on order and almost could not imagine exactly where EK would fly to in order to put those airplanes to work.....but, interestingly, deliveries of those airplanes is not happening: there is the A346 order mentioned above, thats about 20 airplanes (including the airframes to be leased from ILFC), the A380 story is one that we are all aware of and the result of the A380 delays will mean that EK will grow much slower than anticipated, and EK has still not made a commitment to the 787 or A350.......the longer EK waits, the later the airplanes will be delivered. As hard as it is to imagine, EK does not have enough airplanes to continue expanding at the furious pace that was expected, so we may not see service to LAX, SFO (or IAH) in the near term future.

3. Aside from the cities mentioned, EK at one point was very close to announcing service to GRU, GIG and/or EZE......those cities must be considered when talking service to the Americas. Will EK add another US city, or head to South America for its next longhaul service?
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
Another option is LAS.



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 19):
BTW: Whoever suggested DXB-LAS needs to be slapped stupid. Dubia already has a 7star hotel/casino!

Well, bearing in mind that Muslims should not gamble, I think DXB or AUH to LAS would be pretty unlikely! ...and I can assure you that the Burj Al Arab will not have a casino for the same reason.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22):
1. Whenever proposed SFO or LAX to Dubai routes were discussed in the past, the A346HGW aircraft was always mentioned as aircraft of choice for these future routes. The EK order for the A346HGW has been put on hold (or has it been cancelled, its still unclear) so can we conclude that the LAX and SFO routes have also been put on hold? We dont know.

Except the A346HGW does not have the range to fly this route. The A345 or 772LR is required. Of the two, the 772LR has more payload capability and will probably be used for the route.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 23):

Well, bearing in mind that Muslims should not gamble, I think DXB or AUH to LAS would be pretty unlikely! ...and I can assure you that the Burj Al Arab will not have a casino for the same reason.

A valid point, but isnt EK is positioning itself as a ""World Carrier"" connecting key destinations worldwide via the Dubai hub? With this approach, shouldn't we (and EK) be looking beyond the religious customs of Muslims that prohibit gambling......EK could connect Las Vegas with many cities world wide VIA the DXB hub. I guess a similiar analogy is customs concerning practicing Muslims and alcoholic beverages, accommodations have been made in most moderate and liberal Arab nations that allow non-Muslims access to drinks.

In any event, I certainly agree that LAS-DXB is not on EK's list of priorities.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 24):

Except the A346HGW does not have the range to fly this route. The A345 or 772LR is required. Of the two, the 772LR has more payload capability and will probably be used for the route.

I always thought that the A346HGW could handle the WestCoast USA-DXB segments......but I certainly could be wrong as I am not that familiar with the performance stats of the A346HGW. As I said above, it seemed that the A346HGW was always mentioned when EK's potential LAX/SFO-DXB routes were discussed. If EK does launch a service to the West Coast, it will be interesting to see what equipment will be used since the A346HGW no longer seems to be an issue.
 
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 25):
I always thought that the A346HGW could handle the WestCoast USA-DXB segments..

The great circle distance between DXB and LAX is about 7250 nm.

The 773ER and the A346HGW with full pax payloads to Boeing and Airbus specs have ranges of about 7900 nm.

However, if you equip them with EK interiors and consider typical inservice deterioration, full pax range drops below 7000 nm. With enroute winds and airways allowances, either airplane will drop significantly below full pax for a non-stop flight on the route.

Either the A345 or the 772LR will carry more non-stop payload on DXB-LAX than the 773ER or the A346IGW.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 25):
A valid point, but isnt EK is positioning itself as a ""World Carrier"" connecting key destinations worldwide via the Dubai hub?

I'm not a huge Vegas fan, but I've been there a few times without gambling a dime. They used to make all their money on casinos, but now they charge an arm and a leg for rooms, and pride themselves on dining, shows and spectacle.

Not to mention that there are many, many, many conventions in Las Vegas with worldwide participants. And with the horrible business environment in California, companies are relocating to Nevada.

None of which should imply EK has plans to fly to Vegas, but just flying to the city isn't against Islamic laws.
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RE: When Will EK Fly DXB-LAX?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
None of which should imply EK has plans to fly to Vegas, but just flying to the city isn't against Islamic laws.

You'll be surprised how strict islamic law is. I would guess that being in a casino is already against the law.

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