Pe@rson
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BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:16 pm

I have found a number of BA domestic and European routes from LGW, but does anyone have a complete list, or a map, showing all of BA's domestic and Europe routes from LGW, including those op. by GB? Thanks a lot.

[Edited 2006-10-20 16:16:36]
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:14 am

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Pe@rson
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:16 am

Thanks.

With ever cheaper and quicker (and, if travelling to and from the cities, more convenient) trains from London to Manchester and vice-versa, how is BA's LGW-MAN-LGW doing in terms of demand and yield? It currently operates 7x daily flights (during the week; 4x on Saturdays and Sundays) using 733s/734s/735s. Should these very valuable slots, what with the sheer shortage of them at LGW, be more effectively used on other existing routes, in terms of increasing frequencies, or to launch brand-new routes?
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:34 pm

Any idea how BA's four-times-weekly LGW-ATH service (using 734s) performs?

Most odd - Amadeus listed the flights as BA's, but they are, in fact, by OA. It's changed back to OA now. Strange.

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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:25 pm

Dont think it did that bad, volume was there, not sure on the yield but was always meant to be a supplimentary serivce for the summer only. Will quite possibly be reinstated for next summer, haven't heard anything to the contrary at the min.

Did you get my PM re the other questions raised??
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 4):
Did you get my PM re the other questions raised??

I did thanks. I replied. Did you get it?

I effectively said will be flying JER-LGW, #8038, on 6th November. How full is it at the moment?

Also said that nice to see you're a B.A. manager. An uncle of mine was the head of B.A. in America pre-retirement.
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:01 am

GIven that MAN is also served from LHR, LCY and STN (and, with the exception of STN, with pretty high frequencies), there still seems to be sufficient demand. I would expect LGW to be the least effected from the trains as LGW will mainly cater for the south of the river crowd.

Any insight how much connceting traffic BA has on its domestic routes to LGW compared to the domestic routes to LHR ?
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):
Any insight how much connceting traffic BA has on its domestic routes to LGW compared to the domestic routes to LHR ?

Significantly more at LHR, because BA serve significantly more destinations from LHR.

The only domestic routes to LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN and JER I think. Has the IOM service been discontinued?
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:45 am

How many 733s/734s/734s does BA base @ LGW?

How many 320s/321s does GB base @ LGW?
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 7):
The only domestic routes to LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN and JER I think. Has the IOM service been discontinued?

Bacon fly IOM-LGW upping the service for the winter x4 daily
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:47 am

Domestic destinations from LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN, IOM and JER
Domestic destinations from LHR are ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN... Anything else ?

So it is 8:5 (admittedly, the LGW-exclusive destinations are fairly small markets....).
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:09 am

BA's 737 fleet - all based at LGW - comprises:
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
BA's 737 fleet - all based at LGW - comprises:
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.

Thanks VV.

Do you know how many 320s/321s GB bases at LGW?

Cheers.
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:05 am

Hey there Smile

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
With ever cheaper and quicker (and, if travelling to and from the cities, more convenient) trains from London to Manchester and vice-versa, how is BA's LGW-MAN-LGW doing in terms of demand and yield? It currently operates 7x daily flights (during the week; 4x on Saturdays and Sundays) using 733s/734s/735s.

Demand on some flights is excellent. The 9am departure LGW-MAN, I believe the 290(?) is usually full and the 2911 especially MAN-LGW in evenings is always full from what I hear and own experiences. However, the early morning 2901(?) LGW-MAN is never that full from experience and similarly with the last MAN-LGW 2913. I'm afraid I don't know about the daytime services.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
How many 733s/734s/734s does BA base @ LGW?



Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s

Just a small correction, it's 19 -400's since the return of G-DOCB from its Air One lease

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.

A single 319 was based at LGW for certain periods of time (and 2 at others) and operates a certain daily pattern, always operating the first MAN-LGW and the busy 2903 service. However, at the moment I believe it has gone back to LHR for a few weeks, though i'm not sure. I certainly know it will be back.

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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Do you know how many 320s/321s GB bases at LGW?

I am not sure that there is an answer to this. All their aircraft seem to make not that irregular appearances at LHR. While the BA 319 that operates out of LGW in

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
a certain daily pattern

actually overnights at MAN and then flies MAN-LGW (BA2901) LGW-MAN-LGW (BA2904/05) LGW-EDI-LGW (BA2938/39) LGW-ABZ-LGW (BA2926/27) LGW-MAN (BA2914). At MAN (as I said before) it frequently interchanges with the 319 that operates the last LHR-MAN service of the day. Effectively it is not really based at LGW but at MAN. But as we all know that is BA Connect territory. So it is a bit like the BA MAN-JFK-MAN 763.

But as far GT is concerned they operate flights to Gibraltar, Malaga and Marrakech/Casablanca from LHR. But if you consider the GIB flights at LHR, BA6898 leaves at 0730 hours while BA6899 arrives back at 2215 hours. But what returns does not always appear to be the same aircraft. The one operating BA6898 then operates BA6903, GIB-LGW, arriving back at LGW at 1355. This may or may not be the same aircraft that operates BA6906, LGW-GIB, departing at 1555. But the aircraft that operates this flight then does operate the evening flight (BA6899) back to LHR. So this aircraft that overnights at LHR and sets off for GIB the following morning is really based at LGW or, perhaps, temporarilly at LHR!

With most of GT's other LGW flights being once, twice or three times a week and with interchanges like that described above, I think that giving a straight answer to your question is as difficult as getting an answer to the question 'How long is a bit of string?' But hopefully some one else will disprove this.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:12 pm

GT seem to do some odd routings, like CMN-LHR-CMN, and TFS-EMA-TFS, there are also some odd ones to RAK and AGA.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Richardw (Reply 15):
TFS-EMA-TFS

Aren't the EMA and BRS GT flights operated by MAN based aircraft? So surely the routing would be MAN-TFS-EMA-TFS-MAN. Fits into a day quite nicely.
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:32 am

If you look at the timetables for a Friday MAN-TFS arrives at 11.35 and TFS-EMA leaves TFS at 09.35, some night stopping is my guess.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
actually overnights at MAN and then flies MAN-LGW (BA2901) LGW-MAN-LGW (BA2904/05) LGW-EDI-LGW (BA2938/39) LGW-ABZ-LGW (BA2926/27) LGW-MAN (BA2914).

Yes, see

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
always operating the first MAN-LGW

 Smile

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
Effectively it is not really based at LGW but at MAN. But as we all know that is BA Connect territory. So it is a bit like the BA MAN-JFK-MAN 763.

Apart from the nightstop though, it operates mostly out of LGW and with LGW crews which is why it is really thought of as LGW based.
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
A single 319 was based at LGW for certain periods of time (and 2 at others) and operates a certain daily pattern, always operating the first MAN-LGW

It was nightstopping in EDI all summer not man..... However its back at LHR now
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:48 am

How about Belfast? I think they are served from LHR as well. Does BA serve BFS or Belfast City?

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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 20):
I think they are served from LHR as well. Does BA serve BFS or Belfast City?

I don't think so. If you want to fly from LHR to Belfast by BA I think you need to go via Manchester. So:
LHR-MAN BA1386 (320) MAN-BHD (Belfast City) (BA7603) (DH8)
has an elapsed time of 2 hrs 30 mins.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:43 pm

BA axed its LHR-BFS a couple of years ago amidst a considerable outcry ("BA abandoning N.I." etc. etc.) from the local community. LHR is nowadays served by bmi from BHD.
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:45 pm

James, why did u not just go to BA.COM and click on the route map. It shows you all destinations served from LGW on there
Where does the time go???
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 23):
It shows you all destinations served from LGW on there

On the European map, it only shows "London" and doesn't specify which destinations are served from LGW, LHR or LCY.
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
 
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RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 24):
On the European map, it only shows "London" and doesn't specify which destinations are served from LGW, LHR or LCY.

Exactly, and the oneworld map doesn't either

http://www.innovata-llc.com/onw/default.asp?show=MAP

same with Paris aswell

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