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Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:51 am

Emirates are starting service to Barcelona and Eldoret(Kenya) once weekly each with A310F.
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:27 am

Already some weeks ago, they also launched a dedicated freighter service to MUC, once weekly with A310F, too.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:53 pm

How many A310F's does EK SkyCargo have and where do these A310F's fly to? AFAIK not many (?)

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:57 pm

Quote:
How many A310F's does EK SkyCargo have and where do these A310F's fly to? AFAIK not many (?)

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Not sure, but think 2 are in service with the 3th being converted.
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
Not sure, but think 2 are in service with the 3th being converted.

Hey MauriceB, what's up. As per the airliners.net database EK has 3 A310F's which are used on cargo flights to ZRH, VIE, MUC, MXP and SIN? Maybe also to FRA, BKK?

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
FRA

FRA get the B747 mostly operated by AtlasAir
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):

Alright, makes much more sense when looking at the two markets. Thanks for the correction  Smile

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:07 am

Although I will be checking with EK directly next week, just wondering if they have cargo service to/from the US to/from DXB. Also, what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7):
what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?

I think there is no difference in the operation. The only difference is that companies like DHL, FedEX, UPS, etc. are primarily specialized in moving only cargo and no pax, but you can correct me if i am wrong  Smile
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
I think there is no difference in the operation. The only difference is that companies like DHL, FedEX, UPS, etc. are primarily specialized in moving only cargo and no pax, but you can correct me if i am wrong

In that case can we get some miles out of them for some serious shipping to DXB!
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:19 am

Well i know that Emirates is desperate to get AMS slots. They want to fly Pax into AMS really much, but the slots that they can get they use it for Cargo ops, as they are still trying to make AMS the European cargo hub, just like SIA, wich also isn;t succesfull!
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7):
Although I will be checking with EK directly next week, just wondering if they have cargo service to/from the US to/from DXB. Also, what is the difference between regular airline cargo services from that of a dedicated cargo airline like DHL or Fedex?

EK Sky Cargo has full cargo flights to/from JFK which originate from DXB I assume. The only difference being that they outsource the aircraft and crew to 5Y (ACMI contract).

As for the difference between regular airline cargo and dedicated cargo airlines is the nature of the cargo. Full cargo airlines like EK Sky Cargo, LH Cargo or NCA can carry more different types of cargo (volume wise and weight wise speaking, oversized cargo). This is logical as cargo going with regular airlines is mostly belly or bulk cargo which is much smaller in size. Only when the cargo is carried on the maindeck of a combi aircraft, you can carry larger cargo (with more limitations compared to full cargo aircraft) but that's it. DHL is not entirely a dedicated cargo airline as they now offer supply chain solutions besides being an express courier which is how they started out with. They do not carry express packages alone as they used to but now offer a much wider product (logistics supply chain solutions). Most worldwide express couriers are no longer only offering express cargo services but are going (or have gone) into the direction of offering the complete package throughout the entire supply chain and not just door-to-door express services. Regular dedicated full cargo airlines also offer a range of cargo services (incl. services by road) but they often don't deliver door-to-door but rather airport-to-airport services. Typical to full cargo airlines is their ability to transport oversized cargo such as long pipelines, engines of all sorts, cars, perishable cargo, dangerous goods and the likes.

This is very generally speaking the difference between cargo going with regular airlines or fully dedicated cargo airlines.

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:38 am

Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.

EK will not offer you a direct solution, the cargo airlines are working with forwarders like DHL/Danzas, but yes you should change to another forwarder, pm me and I will let you know a better company  Wink,

the mentioned integrators are working direclty with the companys, that for example one of the differences.... but there are also cargo airlines around that are dealing directly with the end-customers....
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost

Worldwide couriers are now called integrators and they are now known for taking over more large cargo related companies. or starting franchise-type co-operations. Just to give an example, in almost all continents you will find the worldwide famous yellow/red DHL aircraft whether it is their own aircraft or another cargo airline that has been contracted to fly for DHL exclusively or being taken over by DHL/Danzas. And yes, the core business within logistics is looking for the cheapest cargo solutions. I used to work for a major U.S. based cargo airline at AMS so I'm aware of how it works in the cargo business  Smile

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I deal extensively with DHL Danzas, but will certainly check with EK/Atlas as we're always trying to cut cost.

DHL/Danzas is not an airline but rather a forwarder. So when you ship your cargo with them, it might well be carried by EK or other carriers such as CV, LH, KL, MP...
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Patroni (Reply 15):
DHL/Danzas is not an airline but rather a forwarder. So when you ship your cargo with them, it might well be carried by EK or other carriers such as CV, LH, KL, MP...

DHL indeed also works with other (cargo) airlines to be able to offer better (supply chain) solutions. But DHL/Danzas is more than just a forwarder as they own their own aircraft fleet besides co-operating with other airlines. Forwarders don't own their own aircraft.

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
Forwarders don't own their own aircraft.

Yes, so let's be more precise and call DHL a vertically integrated forwarder (especially since the acquisition of several more "traditional" forwardes such as Danzas). What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.
 
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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Patroni (Reply 17):
What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.

Oww okay, you are correct  Smile

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RE: Emirates Skycargo New Destinations

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Patroni (Reply 17):
What I wanted to point out with my post is the fact that if a shipment is booked with DHL Danzas it does not necessarily fly on a DHL aircraft.

very true, I would even say that the bigger part of Cargo tat Danzas moves is moved not with a DHL aircraft.

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