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MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:31 am

Mexicana will increase FAT-GDL to daily service, although at this time it is temporary for the holiday season.

The route started as 5 days a week on an A318 on April 2, 2006. The response was so strong that the equipment was increased to an A319. Now, after only 6 months, I understand it operates with an A320 and still sees very high loads.

The local economy is booming. The area unemployment rate just hit a 30 year low last month.

It will be interesting to see what Mexicana and other airlines do in Fresno after the first of the year. Frontier is already going to mainline equipment in January.

Hopefully there will be some interesting announcements from other airlines the next few months.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:51 am

Perhaps I wouldn't be surprised if later AM intends to jump in!!!

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:16 am

Good news certainly for MX, at the beginning it was hard to see why they were opening this flight as sometimes it's just scary to see big airlines open pretty small destinations, even if FAT had lot's of a Mexican population. I have a lot of family in FAT and an aunt that works on a travel agency says that that specific flight is a gold pot!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 1):
Perhaps I wouldn't be surprised if later AM intends to jump in!!!

But wasn't MX the ethnic carrier  Wink Copycats haha
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:23 am

Sounds like a great new South-of-the-Border gateway for our friends from DEN! I have a feeling you'll be seeing more Animal-Tails in your near future, FATFlyer...

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:50 am

Isnt it great when an airline "thinks outside of the box" and introduces a new service.......and that new flight exceeds all expectations? You gotta give Mexicana credit for opening a route to Fresno......while other airlines are busy fighting for the necessary authority to add yet another flight between a major US city and Cancun or Puerto Vallarta, Mexicana went the opposite direction and opened up a flight between a non-traditional gateway city and GDL where there truly was a huge unserved demand. Nice going.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:00 am

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to answer your question, Mexicana is the prefered airlines in the USA-Mexico corridor. Whether it be business travel or ethnic travel they happen to be Numero Uno.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 1):
Perhaps I wouldn't be surprised if later AM intends to jump in!!!

AM received US authority in June to operate FAT to GDL and MEX. The authority would also allow DL to codeshare on the flights, like AA is currently doing on MX's flight.

That new FIS at Fresno could easily handle more than the current 1 international flight a day.  Wink

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Sounds like a great new South-of-the-Border gateway for our friends from DEN! I have a feeling you'll be seeing more Animal-Tails in your near future, FATFlyer...

I think so too. Now mariner has been a little coy bringing up FAT to Mexico a few times recently. He usually has a good eye for Frontier's thinking. So.....

Also MX has indicated they see an interest in flights from FAT to other Mexico cities including some of the resorts. It will be interesting to see how long we have to wait and if someone else does it before MX.

To the north SCK is moving forward again on plans to add an FIS for Aeromexico flights. The plans were originally opposed by Customs but that seems to now be resolved. SCK's FIS design is now being redrawn to meet concerns expressed. We'll see more in a few months.

South, I haven't checked on BFL lately. I assume their FIS is moving along. Last I heard they were hoping that MX would start in the spring. But we'll see how the timetable plays out.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Navega (Reply 5):
to answer your question, Mexicana is the prefered airlines in the USA-Mexico corridor.

Your source and reference for this piece of information?

I am certain that AM, CO, AS, AA, F9 and the others would disagree with your statement.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:47 am

Thanks DutchJet for your out-of-the-box observation. With the large Latino population in California, it is great to see service for the common folk instead of the Cabo, Cancun and resort city flights. I am happy to see Mexicana expanding in this way. I look forward to the AM flights in Stockton in the future.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Quoting Navega (Reply 5):
to answer your question, Mexicana is the prefered airlines in the USA-Mexico corridor.

Your source and reference for this piece of information?

I am certain that AM, CO, AS, AA, F9 and the others would disagree with your statement.

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
Now mariner has been a little coy bringing up FAT to Mexico a few times recently.

It's not really coy, FATFlyer, it is simply that I don't know.

However, of the six CA metropolitan areas that Frontier serves, five now have service (assuming the two new routes are granted), either direct or non-stop, to Mexico.

It would seem odd if FAT were left out of the mix. And, as you say, FAT goes Frontier mainline this winter.

But I think, as you said in the other thread, there is an even bigger picture than we can yet see.

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:47 am

Maybe coy isn't the right word but as I said you usually have a good pretty sense of the thought processes at Frontier.

It doesn't mean I think you know exactly what they will do but you've studied them enough to anticipate the alternatives and reduce it down to 1 or 2 likely choices.

The historian in you and the consultant in me both understand the changes that can result from a few choices and the outcomes of those choices. A couple of seemingless small choices can end up leading down an unexpected trail.

And as you pointed out, I do see some alternatives unfolding also that may mean a new branch in their strategy. Hopefully, FAT is a bigger place on that new trail.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
Hopefully, FAT is a bigger place on that new trail.

I agree with all of that. I was (moderately) surprised that FAT wasn't included in the new SJD applications.

Then again, given the loss of 2 x Horizon CR7's in January, the fleet must be getting tight until the new deliveries - 1 x A318 in February and (I think) 1 x A319 in March.

Then again, in Frontier's present mood, nothing would now surprise me.

FAT-TIJ?, he said, only half jokingly. But perhaps - even as a joke - not mainline?

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:17 pm

I was making comparison between MX and AM. For years MX was the number one carrier between both countries. Do not know if they have lost this position to CO.

No science needed here. Just look at number of flights from California alone.

They have from LAX from 20 to 28 flights per day depending on season. Chicago has to 10 per day etc.

There have been numerous postings on this subject with numbers etc. and I for one have been surprized to see MX as one of the two carriers with most passengers carried between USA and MEX.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:23 pm

MX is the biggest carrier in terms of pax carried MEX-USA over AA and CO. MX is the biggest international carrier at LAX and ORD. Even more... I have more news for you... MX will continue its expansion over the USA... we have to take into consideration that MX is no longer dependent to CINTRA's counsel board, decisions and many other issues and the most important one, they can now fearcely battle AM in the USA or everywhere.

MX is considering GDL-GYY; MLM-GYY-ZCL-MLM; MEX-LIT; MEX-PHX; MEX-PHL; MEX-ATL and returning to MDW from MLM, ZCL and GDL!!!

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:28 pm

I bet that if MX still had several 757s around they would easily justify sending one to cover the route instead of the A320.

Since, MX will now have two 767-300s, are they planning on sending them to LAX for the holiday rush?

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 12):
FAT-TIJ?, he said, only half jokingly. But perhaps - even as a joke - not mainline?

Since SAN doesn't seem able to attrack a n/s to FAT these days, which I feel is another gross oversight by local cx, maybe you're right and the option will be only as far as the border. A little inconvenient, yes, but it looks like that is now the available option for most any Mexico service from SAN (now that AM is back down to just their SJD flight), and of course, the closest n/s to Japan (starting next month...)

If TIJ does start to get some USA service, and FAT certainly doesn't seem like much of a stretch, maybe the airport relocation blokes can just wait and eventually, SAN won't need any airport, just a bigger gate at the Otay border crossing!

Back toward the topic, and SLIGHTLY more seriously, I would expect to see non-resort destinations from FAT and BFL, etc., before the likes of SJD and PVR, but... And I still believe strongly that F9 will be doing something between FAT and Mexico in 2007.

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I would expect to see non-resort destinations from FAT and BFL, etc., before the likes of SJD and PVR, but...

MX's original plans at FAT, as related to me by several people with some info, were to build the FAT-GDL route the first year, then add either a 2nd FAT-GDL or a flight to elsewhere such as Morelia. In year 3 (which would be 2008) there was talk of service to one of the resort cities.

Given how strong the FAT-GDL has performed we may see some changes to that such as shortened timelines.

So, I'm looking for MX (or someone like F9) to add 1 or 2 flights a week to a resort city by late 2007 or else in 2008. Well I've got the fingers and toes crossed right now.

The leisure market could be here now. The regional unemployment rate in Sept hit a 30 year low. In the area you see people spending much more disposable income than in the past.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:49 am

Thanks Ghost77,

I new I was not loosing my mind and had read this somewhere. I guess everyone asumes Aermexico is the grand daddy of Mexican aviation when in fact it is Mexicana.
 
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 18):
I guess everyone asumes Aermexico is the grand daddy of Mexican aviation when in fact it is Mexicana.

It is important to clarify that, on the domestic level, AM is still the biggest carrier in terms of passengers, whereas internationally -despite not serving Europe or Asia yet- MX carries more passengers.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:35 am

Here is the article put in the Fresno Bee Saturday 21st. Shows that 23,000 PAX have already flown on the flights out of FAT to GDL.

I know that we have discused resort destinations for FAT, in which I believe that PVR might be one of the heavly traveled destinations. But could we see now Hawaiian Airlines trying to get in first to FAT as well? Seeing that us people here in FAT are willing to spend a good amount of money to fly out of here now instead of driving to OAK, SJC, SFO, and SMF.



"Mexicana AIrlines, Fresno's only international carrier with direct flights to Mexico, is adding two days to its schedule and a larger jet.

Airline officials said they are increasing their service in anticipation of busy holiday travel season.

The new schedual will begin Dec. 12 and continue through early January.

"Knowing how important it is to travel during the Christmas holidays to be with relatives...we are delighted to offer daily service during this season," said Jorge Goytorua, Mexicana's vice president of sales for the West Coast and Canada. "We believe that these additional flights will make a huge impact on the economics of the San Joaquine Valley."

Mexicana will add daily flights on Monday and Tuesday to its current Wednesday-through-Sunday scheduale. It will also fly a 150-seat Airbus 320, up from the 120-seat Airbus 319 that it added in June.

The international air carrier, which began service in April, has flown more than 23,000 people from Fresno Yosemite International Airport to Guadalajara.

"We think this is just wonderful," said Patti Miller, Fresno airport spokes-woman. "This reflects the continuing growth in the region and the airport."

Miller said Mexicana officials will evaluate the new schedule to determine wheather they want to keep it beyond the holiday season.

Fresno travel agents also welcomed the expanded service.

"I think this means we are going to see more seats and better prices," said Laura Martinez, manager at De Alba Travel. "I am glad they added the bigger plane. The airline has been full every night they fly out of here."

Martinez said many Mexican immigrant families living in the Valley travel annually to Mexico for Christmas and New Year's.

"They used to have to drive to L.A. to catch a plane," she said. "Now they don't have to do that."
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
But could we see now Hawaiian Airlines trying to get in first to FAT as well?

Sounds to me more like a job for.... AQ. I would be THRILLED if they would start a HNL-SAN-FAT flight to test the waters. (Eventually, with good numbers, a n/s from FAT could happen.) I'd like to see how a n/s SAN-FAT would do and this would be the perfect way to "kill 2 birds..."

Of course a SNA tag-on would also work.

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
AQ. I would be THRILLED if they would start a HNL-SAN-FAT flight to test the waters.

Yes that could work as well. I believe that there are so many people here in the Fresno area (Madera, Chowchilla, Oakhurst, Clovis, Fowler, Hanford, Kurman) and it is still growing like crazy! I am sure that AQ would have NO problem with getting people to get good loads in their planes if it was seasonal or even 2x weekly.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
I'd like to see how a n/s SAN-FAT would do and this would be the perfect way to "kill 2 birds..."

Well how did AE do on this flight before taking it away? Would the demand really be there for this? What connecting flights could work out here? I think if any airline could fly this, it would eather be QX or WN finally coming into FAT. But this would mean WN would need more flights going out of FAT to other destinations like DEN, LAS, DAL, MDW.

The question comes down for FAT, does FAT see the expansion in the near future to have multiple destinations for international travel? There is no way we would get a Canada flight out of here and any other flights to places. FAT has a big Asian population but no way to get enough PAX to even have a stop over for a jet. The only thing I can think of is maybe 2 or 3 more destinations in Mexico (PVR, MEX, TIJ)
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
But could we see now Hawaiian Airlines trying to get in first to FAT as well?



Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 22):
I am sure that AQ would have NO problem with getting people to get good loads in their planes if it was seasonal or even 2x weekly.

I commented on this a few weeks ago on another thread. I believe AQ might make sense.

Visitors to Hawaii from Fresno County are growing at a higher rate than many other areas. The Fresno MSA ranks 24th highest in the number of visitors sent to the state of Hawaii from any metro area. Currently FAT to Hawaii runs at an average of 70 passengers per day.

I could see AQ operating a FAT-HNL flight either as a non-stop on 2 or 3 days a week OR a FAT-SAN-HNL daily run.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 22):
The only thing I can think of is maybe 2 or 3 more destinations in Mexico (PVR, MEX, TIJ)

My guess is that we will see another FAT-GDL first. That would be followed by either PVR or a non-resort city. MX currently also has authority to operate Fresno non-stop to Morelia/Mexico City/Zacatecas/Leon-El Bajio.

AM also has received govt authority to operate from Fresno to both MEX and GDL. So they also could be on the way. Back in 1998 AM also applied for and was approved for Fresno to PVR. That is probably expired authority now but shows that even then someone saw potential.

Also as mariner has pointed out, FAT is now the only California city served by F9 where Frontier has not applied for a Mexico route yet. So FAT to SJD on Frontier, maybe???  Wink
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 23):
So FAT to SJD

Sorry for my immaturity in aviation, but what is SJD?

Do you think QX will take the jet that was going to DEN for F9 and use it somewhere else for FAT?

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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 24):
Sorry for my immaturity in aviation, but what is SJD?

That is not immaturity, there are lots of codes I don't know either.

SJD is Cabo.

As far as the QX aircraft, I would be surprised if FAT saw it right now. Although we might see something happen as AS and QX shift resources in 2007 as the Frontier RJs return and more Q400s come on line at Horizon.

It also looks like there will be more QX flying in California next year. So FAT benefit if there is available time in the aircraft useage. We've gained flights that way before.

I keep being surprised by some of the strong QX discussions I'm seeing. For example it looks very likely that in late 2007 QX will be flying Q400s seasonally into Mammoth from LAX.
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RE: MX Increasing FAT-GDL To Daily A320 Service

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Navega (Reply 5):
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to answer your question,

Thanks but I was transmitting sarcasm to ghost  Wink
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