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Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:23 pm

why is called northwest when all of their hubs are in the midwest?? Also they barely fly yo the northwest.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:28 pm

Their historical heritage is from the northwestern United States. Some of their earliest routes linked Chicago and Minneapolis with Seattle and Portland via a long railroad-like, multi-stop route through Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakotas, Montana and Washington.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:30 pm

Southwest Airlines flies to the Northeast and Southeast, and the Northwest.

American Airlines flies to London, Paris and Tokyo.

Alaska Airlines flies to Florida, Texas, and Massachusetts.

America West Airlines flies (flew) to the East coast and Canada.

US Airways flies to Mexico and the Carribean.

Air Canada flies to the US.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:31 pm

Remember one route when NW has known as Northwest Orient, had a 727 leave SEA for DCA with stops at GEG, BIL, GTF, FAR, MSP, DTW. This was late 60's early 70's time period.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:32 pm

Becuase back in the 20's 30's and 40's, our main airmail routes were to the PNW, Alaska, and on to the Orient. Our names were through the years: Northwest Airways, Northwest Air, Northwest Airlines Inc, Northwest Orient Airlines, and to what we have today, Northwest Airlines(NWA)/NWACorp.
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:38 pm

[quote=Cactus739,reply=2]A name is a name.....sometimes not much meaning to it.

Just like in the railroad business. The Frisco, St. Louis- San Francisco, never even came close to serving San Francisco.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):

That was the DB Cooper route.
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:52 pm

The actual name "Northwest" goes back to the earliest days of the United States, pre-dating the American Constitution.

The American government from mid-1783 to mid-1789 (before nine states ratified the new Constitution enabling it to be adopted) was the Articles of Confederation. A loose joining of the states that gave virtually no power to the central government, it was based on the colonies' fear of a new monarchy robbing the states of their hard-fought liberties.

A dismal failure from the start - no power to tax, raise an army, pay off debt, and a unanimous vote from all thirteen states to conduct the simplest of affairs - it is known for two success: the Land Ordinance of 1785, which divided the lands north of the Ohio River into townships and towns, providing an orderly matter of settlements into what is now Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and parts of Minnesota, and the Northwest Ordinance, which provided these new territories with the guarantees that the thirteen states had on their lawbooks, as well as a manner in which, after the population reached 60,000, the territories could apply for statehood. It is also noteable in that it prohibited slavery in the new territories.

Since the earliest times of United States history, the region today of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and now all of Minnesota has been known as the "Northwest". America expanded further into a northwesterly direction, yes, but this is the original.

I also recall from a previous thread on this topic that there are many businesses in this region still with the name Northwest in their titles, harkening back to the history of this region.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Since the earliest times of United States history, the region today of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and now all of Minnesota has been known as the "Northwest". America expanded further into a northwesterly direction, yes, but this is the original.

Great answer PanAm747. I can't be the only person in the UK who has wondered why you hit the 'West' of the USA even before you are half way across!
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:11 pm

Yup, "Northwest" has that name from the 1920's when they didn't fly any further west than Minneapolis.

Among the most famous "northwest" entities is Northwestern University which is of course in the Chicago area...much closer to the eastern edge of the US than the western edge.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 8):
Great answer PanAm747. I can't be the only person in the UK who has wondered why you hit the 'West' of the USA even before you are half way across!

Kind of like it seems odd that the Western Open golf tournament is in the midwestern state of Illinois.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
The actual name "Northwest" goes back to the earliest days of the United States

Are you sure? I would have thought it dated back to the invention of the compass.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:06 am

The full name of the airline used to be Northwest Orient. They flew routes to and from Asia (Orient being a non-PC term these days it seems.)
Eventually they just dropped the Orient from the name.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 9):
Among the most famous "northwest" entities is Northwestern University which is of course in the Chicago area

Even more funny with that school is they are on the northeastern side of the Chicago area.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Remember one route when NW has known as Northwest Orient

And remember when the entire airline was known as Northwest Orient?
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:19 am

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Are you sure? I would have thought it dated back to the invention of the compass.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:49 am

Taking off from Minneapolis a couple years back, a local business man seating next to me on the flight , said that it's named Northwest cause this is mostly the direction planes take off from in MSP due to the wind coming in primarily from the Northwest.

Probably not the case though, judging from the responses above, but still rather interesting  Smile

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 14):
Taking off from Minneapolis a couple years back, a local business man seating next to me on the flight , said that it's named Northwest cause this is mostly the direction planes take off from in MSP due to the wind coming in primarily from the Northwest.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:24 am

Cincinnati is known as the "Queen City of the West" and St Louis is "Gateway to the West." Minneapolis (Northwest's home base) is north and west of both of these cities.
 
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 2):
A name is a name.....sometimes not much meaning to it.

You are aware that history predates you, aren't you?  Wink

The naming of airlines started back when they had limited routes and range, and delivered mail and goods.

They basically were following in the tradition of the railroads before them, though the railroads would also incorporate their main city connections into their names as another way of telling you where they went.

Pennsylvania Railroad, New York Central, Atchison Topeka and Sante Fe, Southern Pacific, Texas and Pacific, etc., etc.

When the airlines formed, many were very regional and took the same tactic. Northwest, Southeast, Eastern, Western, Piedmont, Allegheny. Other airlines began with the name of their founder, only to drop that in favor of regional or non-regional names later.

And airline regulation helped to preserve this idea, so even late in the game new airlines formed knowing they would only be allowed to serve certain regions, like Southwest for example. National carriers like United and American were not limited like this, and after deregulation, nobody was limited anymore.

So, Northwest Orient was meant to indicate that this airline served the Northwest and connected the Orient. Pretty simple, right?

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Northwest Orient Airlines

I remember the commercials for NWOA back in the late 70s. They had a catchy jingle, back when companies wrote their own jingles instead of just licensing rock songs, jazz tunes or classical music.

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 8):
Great answer PanAm747. I can't be the only person in the UK who has wondered why you hit the 'West' of the USA even before you are half way across!

Once the Pacific Northwest was "discovered" and annexed, it got confusing to many in the USA, too, so much of the former Northwest became known as the Midwest. But there are plenty of legacies of the old Northwest name in the Midwest.

Quoting ANother (Reply 11):
Are you sure? I would have thought it dated back to the invention of the compass.

Not in this context, no.

You see, north-west may be a direction, but it is not a location until you define a set region to talk about. You can be in Florida and travel in a north-west orientation, doesn't mean you are in the Northwest of anything.

But Northwest, capitalized, is a region, and in this context, it is a region of the United States.

Just like Brest is in the north west region of France, though it is to the south-east of Ireland.
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Once the Pacific Northwest was "discovered" and annexed, it got confusing to many in the USA, too, so much of the former Northwest became known as the Midwest. But there are plenty of legacies of the old Northwest name in the Midwest.

Schmidt Beer of St. Paul, 1900-1990, but operated as several brewers 1854-2002. (not to be confused with Schmidt's of Philadelphia) had the slogan ;"The beer that grew with the great Northwest".
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
I also recall from a previous thread on this topic that there are many businesses in this region still with the name Northwest in their titles, harkening back to the history of this region.

Minneapolis was indeed originally considered part of the Northwest, and yes, there were/are several other businesses in the region with the name, the most famous being Norwest Bank (formerly Northwestern), that purchased Wells Fargo a few years ago and assumed its name.
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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 8):
Great answer PanAm747. I can't be the only person in the UK who has wondered why you hit the 'West' of the USA even before you are half way across!

It's all relative. Remember in 1790, the territrory of the US ended at the Mississippi River.



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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:34 am

Thanks for the map.

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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:37 pm

Maybe its because the US is located in the Northwestern part of the globe(lat/lon)...aparently (sadly) most Americans dont know about the rest of the planet around them and cant look at things from a global perspective...technically MIA could still be Northwest too.



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RE: Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name?

Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting N808NW (Reply 22):
Maybe its because the US is located in the Northwestern part of the globe(lat/lon)...aparently (sadly) most Americans dont know about the rest of the planet around them and cant look at things from a global perspective...technically MIA could still be Northwest too.

Wow, you wrongly insult Americans, who happen to be the ones explaining things here, and you are factually wrong about the origins of Northwest Airlines.

Double whammy!!
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