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Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:50 am

Lets say I am UA or AA and I need new 737 immediately. How long would it take from the time I called Boeing and ordered a new 737 or 767 or 777 for that matter? Usually they are ordered in lots but lets just say I needed one. How long for waiting on line - I assume their is a wait list, manufacturing and delivery? I am sure it isnt that simple but seems like a neat idea.
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:14 am

I'd venture to guess that it depends on teh backlog and whether all the slots are taken up.

737- probably no less than 16-18 months, if there wasn't such a large backlog I'd guess Boeing could churn one out in about 6-8 months since downstream suppliers need would of course be the main issue. If Boeing had everything they needed, I think they can build a 737 in a matter of days!!!

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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:31 am

How can airlines wait almost two years for a plane? Dont they miss all that revenue over those two years?
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 2):
How can airlines wait almost two years for a plane? Dont they miss all that revenue over those two years?

Well I would think if they are using it to replace an aircraft they would retire the old one once the new one arrives. As for it being used to start new service, well obviously it would have to wait til the plane arrives. Unless they lease and aircraft in the short term.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:40 am

well what if one fails a d check or is not worth renovating and they need one immediately, the soonest would be 1.5 to two years?
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 4):

Well like I said. Im sure they could lease an aircraft in the meantime. And im sure if its a large airline, say AA or US they have a spare to pick up slack.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:48 am

well US isn't getting their 10 A332's till 2009 and they need them now
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:54 am

If Boeing has such a wait list, why don't they beef up production?
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 7):
If Boeing has such a wait list, why don't they beef up production?

Well from reading other threads. They have the room to on certain lines but they cant due to issues with the suppliers of parts.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 2):
How can airlines wait almost two years for a plane? Dont they miss all that revenue over those two years?

That's why airlines plan their business, far ahead. They are not run by chumps that do business by responding to every slight market fluctuation  Smile. Plus, Most airlines have big enough fleet, that they have some sort of flexibility.


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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 9):
They are not run by chumps that do business by responding to every slight market fluctuation

Well, most airlines  Wink Plus im sure there are many 13-15 year old members who would disagree with you.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 7):
If Boeing has such a wait list, why don't they beef up production?

The part suppliers would have issues increasing production much more.

Quoting Hamster (Thread starter):
How long would it take from the time I called Boeing and ordered a new 737 or 767 or 777 for that matter?

Lead time for an airframe from Spirit is in upwards of nine months. This doesn't even take into account the hugh backlog.


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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 2):
How can airlines wait almost two years for a plane? Dont they miss all that revenue over those two years?

That is why a carrier looks 3-4yrs ahead in the future for fleet replacement.

Quoting Hamster (Reply 7):
If Boeing has such a wait list, why don't they beef up production?

As big as the plant is they only havea certain number of lines for commericial production. I would assume the 737 is most popular.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:34 am

Something isnt right here. You have GM and Ford who cant give cars away with probably complicated supplier arrangements. Then you have Boeing who has a wait list - something Ford and GM would salivate over. Now you have a situation where Boeing is held back by suppliers? Suppliers who free up profit on every part they ship Boeing? Seems like they are in a losing proposition to me. Why not turn the heat up on the suppliers, sell more planes and make more money? Even if you can increase the lines on a few select models, that makes good sense to me.
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 13):
You have GM and Ford who cant give cars away with probably complicated supplier arrangements.

Not really. GM has Delco for parts and Ford, Motocraft. Besides which comparing GM/Ford to Boeing is like apples and oranges.
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Not really. GM has Delco for parts and Ford, Motocraft. Besides which comparing GM/Ford to Boeing is like apples and oranges.

In addition, you also want to keep employee numbers constant. If you go out and build 1000 planes one year, but then the next you only build 250, you have to lay off a lot of people in the second year. Then the next year you have to hire a whole bunch back again. That costs money (let alone ticks off people).

Airlines plan ahead, if they really need planes ASAP they can get them via 3rd party leasing companies and other venues.
 
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RE: Delivery Time On New Boeing

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 13):

The thing is Hamster, Airplane industry is a very limited industry. Large commercial jet market is only about 1000-1500 airplanes per year, split into two. Orders fluctuates every year. Boeing may never be able to sustain 1000 orders-year like last year. Because of this fluctuation, Boeing cannot simply increase its capacity to respond the market.

Say, this year Boeing receive 500 737 orders, and they increase their factory output to 500 planes per year, to cope with the demand. What happen next year when it can only sell 100 737s. Are you suggesting Boeing to cut the capacity? It's gonna be very expensive for them to do so.

Car market is different. Since the market is so large, they can more accurately predict how much sales they're going to make for a given year, and the uncertainty will likely to even out. Even then, GM and Ford sometimes overestimate the market and produce too many car, and hurt their bottom line. Just like in the recent years.

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