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Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:03 am

Could someone please tell me if the Qantas Airways flight from Sydney - New York JFK is non-stop? Or is there a stop in Los Angeles?

How long has the flight been operating?

How many times per week does it operate?

And what are the load factors like on this flight?
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Could someone please tell me if the Qantas Airways flight from Sydney - New York JFK is non-stop? Or is there a stop in Los Angeles?



Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
How many times per week does it operate?

Did you try www.qantas.com ...?
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:07 am

JFK is a connection with QF via LAX i believe, they also do a stop in YVR which is a connection again via LAX
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:09 am

QF 107 SYD-LAX-JFK
QF 108 JFK-LAX-SYD
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 2):
JFK is a connection with QF via LAX i believe, they also do a stop in YVR which is a connection again via LAX

True, the JFK flight does stop in LAX enroute, it's 5 times per week and has been going since about 1998 (I think).

The YVR flight, however, is only seasonal, and has a stop in SFO enroute.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:11 am

Flight 107 is SYD-LAX-JFK. Also contects with the Qantas flights from BNE and MEL. The YVR service went by the way of SFO.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:12 am

JFK-SYD = 8646 nm

A bit at the edge of the range of even the most ultra-long-range passengers jets, especially with cargo!!
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 4):

I was meant to write in SFO there, sorry
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Could someone please tell me if the Qantas Airways flight from Sydney - New York JFK is non-stop? Or is there a stop in Los Angeles?



Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
How many times per week does it operate?

Did you try www.qantas.com ...?

For many members, this place is their first source for info. It just is not obvious to check elsewhere. There are more than enough loud-minorites that bring outside sources of info into here, i.e. the endless threads about aircraft, carriers and airports. That said, unfortunately, the majority is highly dependent on what the minority chooses to bring in here, hence the apparent ignorance to subjects outside the mainstream popular subjects.
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:45 am

Is it true that the F/A's operate a round-trip LAX-JFK-LAX?
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 8):
It just is not obvious to check elsewhere.

It's not obvious to go direct to the source....???
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-sto

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 2):
JFK is a connection with QF via LAX i believe,

QF107 and QF108 are not a connection, Qantas metal all the way to JFK. The stop at LAX is to take on/let off connecting passengers and refuel - all NY passengers have to disembark. On the way back, passengers going to JFK have pass through Immigration and Customs at LAX, then re-clear security and re-board the plane.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 9):
Is it true that the F/A's operate a round-trip LAX-JFK-LAX?

Not sure - I only flew this once, and in Business Class on the upper deck we had the same FA JFK-LAX-SYD, although he was replaced for a while on the LAX-SYD leg...I'd presumed it was for a rest. Possible he was just cycling back to Australia, though.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 9):
Is it true that the F/A's operate a round-trip LAX-JFK-LAX?

Yep!! The crew do indeed operate LAX-JFK-LAX. Although there is talk of reintroducing the JFK overnights due to the increased times taken for crew to clear security etc.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
JFK-SYD = 8646 nm

Isnt SQ's Flight 21 pushing something near that?
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-sto

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:26 am

More than that actually. Flying SIN-EWR is longer, more like 9500nm. But you need a 777-200LR or A340-500.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:38 am

I've always wondered about the economics of that QF SYD-LAX-JFK service. Since they can't carry local LAX-JFK-LAX domestic traffic, those sectors must be half empty (or worse) on most flights.

I recall a news report several months ago when a QF 744 arriving from LAX scraped a wall or fence with a wingtip while parking at JFK. I think the news item said there were something like 150 passengers on board.

If 250 empty seats or more is typical on the LAX-JFK-LAX sectors, it can't help the profitability of the route. It would seem to make more sense to codeshare with their oneworld partner AA, as they were doing prior to the online operation, rather than flying such long domestic sectors with no local traffic rights and all the extra operating and crew costs.

At least QF can sell local SFO-YVR-SFO traffic when they operate that route, not that they're going to carry many passengers due to the infrequent seasonal service.


P.S. As a matter of trivia, when QF operated to YVR on a more regular basis (but only once a week) with their early 707-138s starting in 1959, it was also an extension of their SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO route. QF also has the distinction of being the first scheduled jet operator at YVR with their 707-138s in 1959, about a year before AC's (then TCA) first DC-8-40s arrived in 1960. By the way, QF's first 707-138 was the first Boeing jet delivered to a non-US airline.

QF also served JFK (then IDL) in 1959 with the 707-138s but the flights continued to LHR then (SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR). Combined with their SYD-LHR service via various points in Asia/Europe, that made QF one of the few round-the-world carriers then. They could sell local traffic between the 3 US points and LHR but obviously not on the domestic sectors HNL-SFO-JFK. They started that route with L1049G Super Constellations a year or two earlier.

QF dropped the SFO-JFK-LHR sectors about the time the 742 replaced the 707-320C to SFO in the early 1970s. However around that time they also operated a very unusual route with 707-320Cs SYD-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR. I think it was referred to as the "Fiesta Route". That lasted for a few years.

QF maintained service to YVR for many years using various routings. For a few years in the late '60s/early '70s they replaced the SFO-YVR tag with an unusual SYD-PPT-YVR route without any US stops (twice a week as I recall). Then they dropped tht route and reverted to the SFO-YVR tag but with a 742 (SYD-SFO flights also stopped in HNL in those days and QF didn't serve LAX then.)

In the 1980s sometime, QF again dropped the SFO-YVR tag and started SYD-HNL-YVR 742 service, twice a week if memory correct, in competition with CP who had been operating YVR-SYD via HNL and NAN since 1949 (the origins of AC's current YVR-HNL-SYD service). QF also had 5th freedom rights HNL-YVR, and presumably still does if they were ever to reinstate such service (CP also had 5th freedoms HNL-NAN-SYD, as does AC today HNL-SYD.)

The QF SYD-HNL-YVR route didn't last very long, perhaps 2 or 3 years, and they then suspended online service to YVR until the recent seasonal service, once again as a tag from SFO as it was 50 years ago. I believe they also still codeshare on AS YVR-LAX.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Geniusjacky (Reply 14):
More than that actually. Flying SIN-EWR is longer, more like 9500nm. But you need a 777-200LR or A340-500.

..actually, its around 8300nm... Wink
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
..actually, its around 8300nm...

Google map has it at 9,532 miles gate to gate.
Great Circle Mapper shows it to be 9,535.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 17):
Google map has it at 9,532 miles gate to gate.
Great Circle Mapper shows it to be 9,535.

Geniusjacky mentioned "nm" and I was correcting him on that..you are using "statue miles".... Wink
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
Geniusjacky mentioned "nm" and I was correcting him on that..you are using "statue miles"....

Haha sorry my bad
Whats the difference? its been explained to me before but im still kinda lost.
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
P.S. As a matter of trivia, when QF operated to YVR on a more regular basis (but only once a week) with their early 707-138s starting in 1959, it was also an extension of their SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO route. QF also has the distinction of being the first scheduled jet operator at YVR with their 707-138s in 1959, about a year before AC's (then TCA) first DC-8-40s arrived in 1960. By the way, QF's first 707-138 was the first Boeing jet delivered to a non-US airline

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
If 250 empty seats or more is typical on the LAX-JFK-LAX sectors, it can't help the profitability of the route. It would seem to make more sense to codeshare with their oneworld partner AA, as they were doing prior to the online operation, rather than flying such long domestic sectors with no local traffic rights and all the extra operating and crew costs.

I am told by serveral cabin crew that I know that LAX-JFK is "often" 40-45% load. While that would normally not be a profitable sector, it is an unusual sitution on this sector.

QF really only need to cover "direct, marginal" costs, that is the just the cost of flying LAX-JFK-LAX v the cost of the aircraft sitting on the ground all day at LAX, which is what it would be doing otherwise.

On this basis 40-45% might be breake even or maybe even a little bit better. Add in the indirect marketing and prestige advantages (hard to quantify, true, but real none the less) and QF seems happy to do it. They even increased frequency this year from 3 to 5 per week, so daily next year is a posiability!

It will be a whole new ball game when QF gets an aircraft able to do SYD/MEL-DFW-SYD/MEL. With AA connections into LGA rather than JFK, the LAX-JFK tag may go.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 21):
I am told by serveral cabin crew that I know that LAX-JFK is "often" 40-45% load.

Your numbers are right on. The 2005 annual average load factor on the route was 45.8%, varying from a low of 39% one of the northern winter months to 54% during one of the summer months.
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Geniusjacky (Reply 14):
More than that actually. Flying SIN-EWR is longer, more like 9500nm. But you need a 777-200LR or A340-500.

If you look at a map, you'll see that SIN-JFK just couldn't be longer than SYD-JFK

According to GCM

SIN-EWR = 8,285 nm
SYD-JFK = 8,646 nm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 22):

Your numbers are right on. The 2005 annual average load factor on the route was 45.8%, varying from a low of 39% one of the northern winter months to 54% during one of the summer months.

If they can make this flight financially rational with 45.8% load factors, you'd wonder if they couldn't do the same likewise extending a flight on from LAX or SFO to DFW or ORD to feed into one of AA's hubs
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 11):
The stop at LAX is to take on/let off connecting passengers and refuel

FYI - you cannot buy a domestic ticket on QF between LAX and JFK. The passengers that disembark from the aircraft are those pax that are getting off in LA and those that will continue to JFK. There are no pax in LAX that are permitted to continue to JFK unless they came all the way from SYD.

You may already know this, just picked up on the slight detail.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-sto

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 19):
Whats the difference? its been explained to me before but im still kinda lost.

nautical miles (originally derived from the curvature of the Earth, as was the kilometer/kilometre) is 6080 feet per nautical mile.

statue miles is 5280 feet per statue mile.

Aviation generally uses nm for measuring ground distance. Makes more sense since planes (as with ships) follows the curvature of the Earth over long distances.

In the U.S. (and a few places elsewhere), the de facto distance used is statue miles.

Basically, 100 sm = 86.842 nm.

100 nm = 115.151 sm.

They're sorta close but a little different.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 19):
Whats the difference? its been explained to me before but im still kinda lost.

I can only explain it in terms of the coversion from kilometres, which may not help you much! Some genius mathemetician out there is bound to be able to work out the relationship between nm and miles.

Anyway, multiply km by 1.852 to get nm, or multiply km by 1.6-ish to get statute miles.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 19):
Whats the difference? its been explained to me before but im still kinda lost.

I can only explain it in terms of the coversion from kilometres, which may not help you much! Some genius mathemetician out there is bound to be able to work out the relationship between nm and miles.

Anyway, multiply km by 1.852 to get nm, or multiply km by 1.6-ish to get statute miles.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:07 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):
If they can make this flight financially rational with 45.8% load factors, you'd wonder if they couldn't do the same likewise extending a flight on from LAX or SFO to DFW or ORD to feed into one of AA's hubs

True, but would those ports even get 40% loads? Frankly I think it doubtful, as NYC is the second biggest destination/orgin to/from Oz. Any other port would have a lesser number of pax, so probably not even marginally profitable.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 8):
For many members, this place is their first source for info. It just is not obvious to check elsewhere. There are more than enough loud-minorites that bring outside sources of info into here, i.e. the endless threads about aircraft, carriers and airports. That said, unfortunately, the majority is highly dependent on what the minority chooses to bring in here, hence the apparent ignorance to subjects outside the mainstream popular subjects.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:53 pm

didn't some previous threads regarding the QF LAX-JFK route mention thats there's quite a bit of cargo that they carry on this route...so in all likely hood, with the low load factor...they can still make a profit even with such a low load factor. am i right?

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 2):
JFK is a connection with QF via LAX i believe

It is not a connection, it is a direct, stopping flight. MEL and BNE flights do connect to it.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 9):
Is it true that the F/A's operate a round-trip LAX-JFK-LAX?

Entirely possible.

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 13):
Isnt SQ's Flight 21 pushing something near that?

Not particularly.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I've always wondered about the economics of that QF SYD-LAX-JFK service. Since they can't carry local LAX-JFK-LAX domestic traffic, those sectors must be half empty (or worse) on most flights.

Again, the marginal cost of keeping the aircraft sitting in Los Angeles combined with the very high yield QF is able to command to JFK and the fact that cabotage is legal in a cargo context makes it that much easier for them to make money.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 21):
With AA connections into LGA rather than JFK, the LAX-JFK tag may go.

Not a chance. First, on such a long haul, La Guardia being 10 minutes closer to Manhattan means nothing. Second, the whole point of the LAX-JFK flight is to get the aircraft off the ground for the day before it runs back to SYD that night.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):
If they can make this flight financially rational with 45.8% load factors, you'd wonder if they couldn't do the same likewise extending a flight on from LAX or SFO to DFW or ORD to feed into one of AA's hubs

QF has no need to run a midcon flight just to connect to AA. AA's network out of LAX is absolutely fine for QF's needs, as they already have massive load factors and yields on their LAX flights (which have an absolutely massive amount of O&D on them as well). Having continuing flights from other destinations would mean QF's aircraft would have fewer seats to sell from LAX as well as having to sit on the ground for a bit longer than they really want to, given than ORD and DFW are 1.5-2 hours shorter flights in each direction.

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 24):
There are no pax in LAX that are permitted to continue to JFK unless they came all the way from SYD.

Incorrect. QF can sell seats to anyone who is connecting from their MEL and BNE flights as well as frequent flyer award tickets. They may well be able to carry connecting traffic from other international points if part of the same itinerary.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 30):
didn't some previous threads regarding the QF LAX-JFK route mention thats there's quite a bit of cargo that they carry on this route...so in all likely hood, with the low load factor...they can still make a profit even with such a low load factor. am i right?

Entirely possible, though the thing Laxintl mentioned about marginal costs of having the aircraft sit is entirely valid.
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 21):With AA connections into LGA rather than JFK, the LAX-JFK tag may go.
Not a chance. First, on such a long haul, La Guardia being 10 minutes closer to Manhattan means nothing. Second, the whole point of the LAX-JFK flight is to get the aircraft off the ground for the day before it runs back to SYD that night.

First using AA DFW-LGA is predicted to save about 4 hours, assuming the SYD-DFW flight makes the early bank DFW-LGA, that is arrival about 2:00pm rather than about 6:00pm.

The real reason the tag operates, from a service to the customer point of view, is to offer international first & business class to NYC. With the shorter flight time and easier transit at DFW maybe this will not be considered as strong a reason or another alternative maybe to switch the tag to a DFW-JFK-DFW flight, who knows? It will also depend to some extent what aircraft is used to DFW. I cant ever see the 787 replacing the B747 as QFs flagship, but the A380 might.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I've always wondered about the economics of that QF SYD-LAX-JFK service. Since they can't carry local LAX-JFK-LAX domestic traffic, those sectors must be half empty (or worse) on most flights.

Hi Everybody!
I dont find the discussion. But isn't it like that Qantas only serves JFK due to prestige reasons. Like nearly every international airlines who serves USA goes to JFK or EWR.
I also red that they will be the first who will bring A380 to JFK.

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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 32):
First using AA DFW-LGA is predicted to save about 4 hours, assuming the SYD-DFW flight makes the early bank DFW-LGA, that is arrival about 2:00pm rather than about 6:00pm.

Again, the LAX-JFK flight not only provides an extension of the QF in flight service, it also gives QF something to do with its aircraft, as well as allowing for connections from MEL and BNE, which will likely never support DFW service. Beyond that, SYD-LAX-JFK is shorter than SYD-DFW-LGA, if only by 4 nm. This still means that you are going to take ever so slightly longer to make the trip. Add to this the faster cruise speed of the 744 and the much easier connection at LAX and you are talking quicker overall.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 32):
easier transit at DFW

Easier? Compared to a single terminal operation at LAX? I don't think so.
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Did you try www.qantas.com ...?



Quoting Lehpron (Reply 8):
For many members, this place is their first source for info. It just is not obvious to check elsewhere. There are more than enough loud-minorites that bring outside sources of info into here, i.e. the endless threads about aircraft, carriers and airports. That said, unfortunately, the majority is highly dependent on what the minority chooses to bring in here, hence the apparent ignorance to subjects outside the mainstream popular subjects.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
It's not obvious to go direct to the source....???

I'm with you EMBQA! Sorry Lehpron but I am amazed by some questions on here that get asked. You have a computer and internet access so why not go to qantas.com?
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 12):
Quoting BAStew (Reply 9):
Is it true that the F/A's operate a round-trip LAX-JFK-LAX?

Yep!! The crew do indeed operate LAX-JFK-LAX. Although there is talk of reintroducing the JFK overnights due to the increased times taken for crew to clear security etc.

WOW! How long is that duty all together with report time, post flight clear time etc VHX? Is there a service on the flight both ways? The cabin crew must be exhausted by the time they get back to LAX.

Do the F/A's from US legacy carriers also tend to operate round trip transcons?
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 33):
I dont find the discussion. But isn't it like that Qantas only serves JFK due to prestige reasons. Like nearly every international airlines who serves USA goes to JFK or EWR.
I also red that they will be the first who will bring A380 to JFK.

Prestige counts for a lot..


How many passengers would Qantas sell from NYC to SYD if it were an AA Code share ? Probably none..

Most Americans would buy an AA Ticket with a connection to the AA Flight and thus drain Qantas's business / first revenue even further !
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 8):
For many members, this place is their first source for info. It just is not obvious to check elsewhere.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
It's not obvious to go direct to the source....???

There's an interesting phenomenon with college-aged people that is becoming widely understood... the generation that grew up using the internet is also the generation that has the most difficulty in using the interent to get accurate information in a timely manner.

Leading universities are having to deal with students who not only think that if information is "found" on the internet it must be true, but who also curiously think that the fastest way to find information is to post questions to a message board and wait hours and days for responses versus simply going to an accurate source (in this situation, typing www.qantas.com) and immediately finding most, if not all, the information needed.

And then there's the " 'loose' is the new 'alot' " thing. For our younger members who speak English as a first language it's "lose" and "a lot".

So, I'm with Boysteve and EMBQA on this one. Certainly we should try to help newbies, but let's also help newbies understand that there are primary sources that can quickly and easily be referenced for basic information.
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:31 pm

Much has been made of the Qantas 744 with only 40% load factor from JFK to LAX, but are they charging only JFK to LAX fares? NO, they are charging JFK to SYD, MEL and Brisbane fares.

Seems they sell 150-200 tickets on the JFK to LAX leg for travel to Aussie, IF 10% are Business class at $8,000 USD RT, that is 15 times $4,000 is $60,000. Plus through in all the coach passengers paying a minimum of a thousand dollars, say 135 times $500 and that is $67,500. So $67,500 plus $60,000 is $127,500. Folks this is a very CONSERVATIVE back of the napkin analysis. I would expect some coach passenger to pay over $2,000 RT for their tickets. I estimate the coast of flying the Jumbo one way from JFK to LAX is $70,000 USD. It makes money for Qantas, today QF doesn't fly prestige money loosing flights.
 
Mason747
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:25 pm

Actually, the longest flight Qantas ever flew was from LHR to SYD. That was nonstop. But the SYD to JFK with a stop in lax is their current longest.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:37 pm

Mason747:
QF's flights to LHR are longer than to JFK. SYDLHR= 10,600 miles whilst SYDJFK= 9,940 miles. I believe their current longest nonstop flights is LAXMEL which is 7,920 miles.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting Mason747 (Reply 40):
Actually, the longest flight Qantas ever flew was from LHR to SYD. That was nonstop.

When was this? With what aircraft? 747SP? Both ways? On a regular basis?

I don't recall any airline ever flying LHR-SYD nonstop......
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:11 pm

Hey Avianca, I know not a regulasr flight and not quite LHR - SYD non-stop, but on 26 Mar 2006 British PM Tony Blair chartered a regular British Airways 777 and crew and flew non-stop from Brussels to Melbourne.

The flight took 18:55min to cover the 9200 nautical miles.

[Edited 2006-10-23 16:14:16]
 
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:15 pm

With the return from JFK leaving at 1920 local time, you gotta wonder how many times that flight runs late? Especially in the winter time at JFK. That time period is right in the middle of the big international departure bank. One bad storm system and JFK turns into a parking lot around that time. I would love to see if someone has it, the month by month on time performance for flight 108.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 36):
WOW! How long is that duty all together with report time, post flight clear time etc VHX? Is there a service on the flight both ways? The cabin crew must be exhausted by the time they get back to LAX.

It's a 13hr20min duty, with full service both ways. Good way to get up hours I guess, but hard work.
There's another one we have which is similar, that's the SIN-PER-SIN duties, which are 13hr15min. They're FULL-ON!!!! Full service (and lots of it) both ways.
The up side is that on both those days, you're not driving to or from work (or public transport or whatever, so you can just flake out on the bus!
Cheers mate  Smile
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:47 am

Don't they also feed the LAX-JFK leg with people coming from MEL on the QF flight? Or are the times of arrival and departure incompatible with this?

Quoting QantasA380 (Reply 27):
Anyway, multiply km by 1.852 to get nm, or multiply km by 1.6-ish to get statute miles.

Divide, and you'll get it right.
1 nm = 1.852 km
1 statute mile = 1.634 km.
When I doubt... go running!
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 39):
It makes money for Qantas, today QF doesn't fly prestige money loosing flights.

Also cargo loads on that route is very good. We should not forget that New York is the second most visited city by OZ's. This flight was increased from 3X weekly to 5X weekly a while back.... so something must be good.

[Edited 2006-10-23 18:27:00]
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:27 am

Just some details:

1. While 'Statute' was mistyped as 'Statue', nobody should go under the inpression that there is something called 'Statue' Miles.

2. Nautical Miles are the basis of using Knots (nautical miles/hr) instead of mph. Since a Nautical mile is longer, 200 knots is faster than 200 mph.

3. Nautical miles have been used a long time. A Nautical Mile approximately equals one minute (one sixtieth of a degree) of an arc along any meridian (longitude) of the Earth. So using knots, it made navigation calcs a lot easier in olden days.
 
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RE: Qantas' Sydney - New York JFK Flight...non-stop?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 42):
When was this? With what aircraft? 747SP? Both ways? On a regular basis?

No it was in 1989. A 747-400 with no passengers on board. Here is the link: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/247531_recordflight09.html

This article is little from november 05 about the 777LR before she set the long distance record from HKG to LHR. Scroll little down and you will find the part about the QF 747-400.
Tom from Cologne