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Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:36 am

This probably won't come as much of a surprise to anyone that has flown in the US at some point over, say, the last five years: American carriers have apparently neglected cleaning their aircraft interiors in an effort to cut costs. The article cites DL and JetBlue although I can attest to the deplorable condition of several UA birds.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel...,1,7337412.story?coll=chi-news-hed

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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:46 am

Airplanes are pretty nasty, even if you can't see the dirt. But the article is right, interior conditions are directly related to industry conditions.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 1):
interior conditions are directly related to industry conditions.

...or to the type of people your flying around. It is amazing. Some people think once they are on a plane, the floor is their garbage can and they don't have to clean up after their kids or theirselves.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:11 am

Anything to reduce cost. AA, some years ago, eliminated 1 olive from 1st class meals to save about 40K a year in olives.....
 
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting IH8B6 (Reply 2):
...or to the type of people your flying around. It is amazing. Some people think once they are on a plane, the floor is their garbage can and they don't have to clean up after their kids or theirselves.

I think this is a very big part of it.

It used to be that would display at least a little decorum on an air flight.

Now you have literally filthy people flying while wearing wife beater t-shirts with their underwear hanging out. People who used to take the bus or hitch hike now fly.

If they don't have enough self-respect to keep themselves clean and neat, you can hardly expect them to bother with their surroundings.
 
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:04 pm

I have noticed people bringing more food and such on board being airlines are not providing as much....but I find it interesting that airlines are in fact allowing those airplanes to become dirty as a way to save "cost"
According to the article:
"Once on the ground, there are fewer employees to tidy up, thanks to widespread layoffs. And planes, which make money only when they fly..."
Airlines may think they are saving a dollar by employing less and turning the airplane quickly and getting it back in the air, there is just one thing the said airline is failing to realize. Extra dirt both on the inside of the airplane and out including gum, wrappers, discarded food related packaging...all weighs alot and I do mean a bunch! So when airlines pench pennies in one area they really are not shooting themselves in the foot in another area as the airplane will likely burn twice the amount of fuel to carry all that trash they chose not to dicard so as to "save" money, and fuel these days in the U.S.
(while for vehicles has come down) is still very expensive.
The airline that can save cost both in the way they deliver the service without neglecting quality (friendly employees and clean airplanes turned in a quick efficient way) will come out on top save a dollar and see potential profitibility.

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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:43 pm

Blaming the airlines and their cost cutting is an easy cop out! The blame ought to go straight away to the filth that fly! The cabin crew go through the cabin NUMEROUS times with trash bags collecting garbage and it is incredible to me to witness the amount of trash still in the seats upon landing. It boils down to personal respect and respect for the environment around you. This lack of respect is just as if I were to go into someones office and littering about the lobby. Or going to a hom and putting my feet on the walls and littering about the living room.

True, airlines may not spend as much on cleaning, but there wouldn't be as much to clean if people would be respectful of others and others property.


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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 6):
Blaming the airlines and their cost cutting is an easy cop out! The blame ought to go straight away to the filth that fly! The cabin crew go through the cabin NUMEROUS times with trash bags collecting garbage and it is incredible to me to witness the amount of trash still in the seats upon landing. It boils down to personal respect and respect for the environment around you. This lack of respect is just as if I were to go into someones office and littering about the lobby. Or going to a hom and putting my feet on the walls and littering about the living room.

True, airlines may not spend as much on cleaning, but there wouldn't be as much to clean if people would be respectful of others and others property.

Couldn't agree more. It's not like the flight attendants don't come through the cabin with trash bags. They do - repeatedly, yet people keep stuffing the most amazing crap in the seat pockets.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:52 pm

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 6):
Blaming the airlines and their cost cutting is an easy cop out! The blame ought to go straight away to the filth that fly! The cabin crew go through the cabin NUMEROUS times with trash bags collecting garbage and it is incredible to me to witness the amount of trash still in the seats upon landing.

It all comes down to different personal standards. Sometimes co-workers offer to drive at lunchtime and sometimes I'm really surprised by the amount of trash strewn about their cars.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:26 pm

Delta has increased their cleaning schedules for aircraft just recently. You will soon see the difference.

But I do attest that we see more trash on the weekend flights, due to the type of passenger that typically flies.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:32 pm

That's actually one reason I like CO so much - their planes are always immaculate and are cleaned at every hub and outstation before every flight. It's wonderful to walk on to a plane where the carpet has been vacuumed, the seats are clean, and the cabin looks in general like someone actually cares about its appearance.
 
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Cos

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:38 pm

There is a sign outside my waiting room that states no food or drink. Slobs who insist on bringing in their lattes or bottled water are kindly told (not asked) to remove them. If they don't like it, well there are plenty of other MDs out there who will put up with that crap. Neither my staff nor I will.

Delta came out pretty low in the article, and since they are (unfortunately), the airline I am forced to fly the most, I concur. That said, there is no excuse for the grime that is invariably present behind the fluorescent lighting fixtures. And sorry, the FAs can be picking up trash.

I'm not aware of any epidemics being caused by the filth factor. However, flying slobs, and lack of respect on the part of the crew leads to a vicious circle that is bad for economic recover. To whit: if I have to sit surrounded by dirt, why pay a premium fare? And the dirt is not restricted to economy. It invariably has been present in domestic "first" and business class.

And here I thought my days of having to reprimand kids to shower and wash their feet were over. Yuck
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:41 am

It's the southwest effect.
Force the legacy carriers who have higher overheads to sell seats
for lower prices and cuts have to be made, somewhere.
You can't have it both ways.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:49 am

I dont mind dirt on the outside but there a places inside the cabin that are ignored. Tray tables are usually not cleaned on overnight layovers and they should be. Even in F, the tables are less then desired as far as clean is concerned. I am talking about NW, Mesaba, Pinnicle, DL, Comair, ASA and UAEX.
Reading lamps are sometime inop. The side panels could use some MR. CLEAN and water.
The planes aren't clean like they used to be.
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:04 am

Okay...not wanting to be flamed here...but there is a few more elements to this story that is missing....people traveling with little kids and just filthy slobs!

It is just absolutely amazing how parents can't control or clean up after their
kids crunch up crackers ect. all over the floor, diapers stuffed in the seat pockets. They just get up and leave after literally destroying the area where they were. Not to mention people dipping in cups and then leaving this crap for everyone else to pickup. People with uncapped pins and markers in their back pockets while sitting down. For the most part, people just don't care about others property!!!!

I have been on several Delta planes with the new interiors...and they're already ink marks all over some seats...gum chewers...pathetic...its hidden everywhere. And how about all the pins and other sharp objects being used as "pokers" on the new TV screens being installed? People just don't care, but will bitch about air fares, being charged for overweight bags...thinking it should be free..its only a few pounds overweight..."I'll never fly this airline again, this is why you guys are in bankruptcy!" WHATEVER!

I say eliminate the seat pockets...have a slit for a barf/seat occupied bag and the emergency card....thats it! No SKY magazine...nothing else...you want to read...bring it on...you'll leave it anyhow....I haven't paid for a magazine or paper in years...Thank you! So, the next time you get on an airplane regardless who you're flying...and its a bit messy...just thank the people who just arrived. I know when we have a flight at the gate...time is crucial...cleaning is done as quick as we can...just so the next group of passengers and a few filthy slobs can get to work!
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RE: Fly The Dirty Skies (Airlines Cut Cleaning Costs)

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:05 am

I think alot of it has to do with airlines wanting to reduce the turn times on aircraft also. We all know an aircraft isn't making money sitting on the ground.
Quick turns are the norm now and cleaning is compromised by it
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