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New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:18 pm

An insider at Airtran recently told me that he heard from a senior management person that Airtran will be starting service to five new cities in the western US in '07 with Phoenix definately being one of them. My guess for the other four would be San Deigo, Sacramento, Portland, Oregon and maybe Ontario, CA. Any guesses?????
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:37 pm

It would be nice to see DL get some competition here at PDX with ATL. Would PDX be seasonal like SEA?
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:02 pm

SNA, or SJC perhaps.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:06 pm

Will all of these be from ATL or will they add them to IND or MDW as well?
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:26 pm

Indy: It would be surprised to see FL go west coast from IND or MDW. WN has most of the west traffic from MDW. And IND has a lower traffic flow with NW also doing SFO/LAX. What is the current gate situation at MDW?


Personally speaking I'd love to see the return of CAK-LAS and the addition of CAK-LAX. Pipe dream on the latter I know.

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:20 pm

No airline at IND serves the destinations mentioned in the first post (With the exception of PHX). No nonstops anyway and I don't think there is even a 1 stop with anyone. The west coast is still pretty light on service from here. Same cannot be said for the Florida markets.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:21 pm

I've heard many times in the last year or 2 about AirTran wanting to come to SAN.

There are certainly a lot of ripe routes from SAN that no-one serves n/s and while the OTHERS keep playing a game of airline hot potato, ("You serve the route; no, we don't want to, you fly it; nooooo, you first"...), I would think it absolutely wonderful if FL snuck in one night when nobody was looking, and started flying to MCO (what are you waiting for, ANYBODY?), IND (why not?), and maybe even that big airport in the middle of Georgia, or BOS (what are YOU waiting for, B6?)!

I don't know FL personally (never sold, dealt with or flown them) but I like what I hear about their slow, careful growth and steady presence in the industry. If they can find some space at crowded Lindbergh Field, I would love to see them stir things up a bit more. (Couldn't hurt to get in before VX arrives...)

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:26 pm

I think WN and US/HP have PHX pretty well covered from here. 3x daily to LAS is a little light with 1100 people traveling IND-LAS every day. I think the current jets are two 737's and one A319. LAX and SFO are pretty well covered as well. There is no SAN service. No PDX service and only seasonal service to SEA. Only AA flies to DFW from here. And I believe DL dropped SLC. I think FL could easily enter some markets out there from here. I think they are safer moves than adding a bunch of flights to Florida which it did.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:23 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I think FL could easily enter some markets out there from here. I think they are safer moves than adding a bunch of flights to Florida which it did.

Well said INDY! I would like to see Northwest connect some of the dots to some of these places myself!
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:24 pm

I believe San Diego (SAN) would be a smart decision with all the potential
U.S. Navy traffic. I know at one point, AirTran transported many post basic training Navy recruit personel to NAS Pensacola for further specialized training ie. to fly. Its been over a couple years sense I have worked with the company (FL) so I dont know if they still do provide such transportion for the Navy but those reservations would commonly be in the 6-7 thousand dollar range, oh yeah, big dollars. So I believe it would be a fit to not only begin service to SAN but possibly do so directly from the place that would likely see the highest dollar yield, MDW.
As far as PDX, I would think it would depend on this years numbers with SEA.
In PHX, US/HP is the center of the battle ground there....
In SMF, I dont think would be a fit, too close to SFO
As far as ONT....?? could be, could really be.

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
Will all of these be from ATL or will they add them to IND or MDW as well?

I think some of these cities will be with connections through DFW, not IND or MDW.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:38 pm

Thru DFW??????? What airline would be flying that?
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:54 pm

I've heard SAN and ABQ but who knows? Two that were never rumored are DAB and SWF!
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:55 pm

Omaha, Nebraska is overdue for AirTran!
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting JmhLUV2fly (Reply 9):
I believe San Diego (SAN) would be a smart decision with all the potential
U.S. Navy traffic.

AirTran could make good use of a red-eye by flying SAN-PHF non-stop, maybe a late night return westbound. There are nearly 300 pax a day between San Diego and the Tidewater area.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:12 am

I have heard also that FL will be finding its way into some Western cities next year. The ones I have heard about is SAN, SLC, ABQ and more LAS service from existing cities.

I still believe they are missing out on a golden opportunity by not servicing STL. STL is waiting for other LCC service from ATL and other areas. It would make a great midwest focus city.

Just my $.02
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:32 am

One thing the new cities have had in common is that FL was the 1st/ only LCC at the airport. What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all, seems like FL and B6 are each battling for the remaining airports to have LCC service...hence BTV PWM and SYR for B6 and SWF HPN and DAB for FL. What airports are next?

No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)

Larger airports with no ATL LCC service:
PVD, LIT, STL, TLH, PHX, SAN, PDX, OKC, CVG, BNA

One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
One of the things i know FL is looking for is route possibilites outside of ATL. I.E. FL could choose PWM over MHT becuase they can offer PHL and BWI, which they cant do over at MHT because of WN...

...or just might not WANT to do that is! I would love for FL to come to PVD, thats for sure!
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:23 am

Seeing them out here in PDX would be great. It would give us more options to go to Florida cheaper than DL while giving another option to B6's redeye. I think PDX still has maye 4 gates at the end of B still open. I know they had more but they are repaving or something by the UA gates and US/HP were moved to B. Still plenty of room for some expansion.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:29 am

well on a related topic i want them to fly to PVD  Smile
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 4):
It would be surprised to see FL go west coast from IND or MDW.

FL serves IND to LAX and SFO currently.

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 15):
The ones I have heard about is SAN, SLC, ABQ and more LAS service from existing cities.

I keep hearing SLC, I think that would be a wasted effort. Does SLC warrant enough demand? WN operation is not that large.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all

DSM/CID have no LCC besides Allegiant (useless for connections).
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)

MDT is DYING to land a LCC. They actually did get FL to start up service, or at least agree to it. Three days before the deal would come through, they backed out and went to HPN instead. If FL enters MDT, then I am sure that DL would bring back an MD88 on MDT-ATL, or use a 738/A320 (providing that their MD88 will have been replaced by 737/A320 aircraft by the time this happens anyway...) People on here think that MDT could do just fine without LCCs tapping into the market, but I don't think it can. Will the legacies lower their fares at MDT to increase pax loads, not to mention, add destinations out of MDT? Yeah... who are you kidding?

CVG could use one as well to get lower prices as well as fill in the gaps opening up with DL cutbacks there. Hopefully CVG does not become another PIT, an underutilized, overpriced facility that airlines avoid like the plague...

As far as FL adding/re-adding PIT service... um... should I or should I not laugh???

Anyway, who can tell me what the top 10 O&D markets are out of CVG, other than ATL?
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:33 am

I'de love to see FL do ROC-LAS with a 73G. Heck,WN does BUF-LAS 2X a day. I know ROC could support this route , say 5X a week . Hell,I'de fly them !

Anyone know if they'll bring back the seasonal ROC-FLL flight ? They have n/s ROC-TPA & MCO year-round.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:34 am

I know that you will see a lot of changes coming from the Tran in the near future. I little bird told me that they will be posting a loss tomorrow, and the powers that be are pissed off. The route network needs to be fixed. Flying from PHL to BOS with ten people on the airplane doesn't make money. The aircraft need to be used where the seats are needed, not in a manner where they are trying to grow a city pair.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:40 am

My bet is on:

ATL-SAN
ATL-ONT
IND-SAN

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:46 am

I'll be honest when I say I have absolutely no idea what FL is trying to accomplish with its network. It is as if they want a hub, focus cities and point to point service.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 24):
The route network needs to be fixed. Flying from PHL to BOS with ten people on the airplane doesn't make money.

I thought this route was doing fine. I guess I just assumed it because BOTH PHL and BOS are O&D goldmines. I guess they're not big enough for each other, flying between PHL and BOS, or perhaps it's because the route is well-saturated with US and WN (flying to PVD and I think somewhere else in MASS).

Did FL pull 80% of their service out of PIT because of the hub presence of US on their routes? Were those just city pairs just to make the brief PIT station look impressive? Was PIT too expensive for them to operate certain routes on (wouldn't surprise me here)? Please forgive me if this was explained before
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:12 am

AVC: Damn, I completely forgot about that, your right! But I still stand by my opinion that IND-West Coast won't be FL's next move. And West Coast from MDW will be a challenge w/ WN on most routes.

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:15 am

I would like to see FL add some more cities in the midwest. OMA or DSM. In addition, I would also like to see some more flying from SAV. I know that both of these thoughts will not happen soon, but I always like to dream.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:26 am

I'd think a seasonal ATL-PSP service would work with all the traffic DL gets on this route(went out full when I flew it). I'd also like them to come to SJC or PHX/TUS.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:33 am

AirTran737,

How is AirTran doing in general at PHL. I know the Boston-PHL is not doing well, but they put 4 flights a day vs 16 for USAIRWAYS, and I don't know the number of Southwest's flights to the "area". I think AirTran hae 3 gates at PHL and about 18 daily flights, so they should have room to service more profitable destinations from PHL. The Florida flights seemed OK 9 months ago when I used several of them, but that could have changed by now. I would think AirTran would protect these gates as both southwest and USAirways are looking for more. Thanks, John.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:58 am

What about new service to ALB with nonstops to ATL (2-3) and FLL (1) daily? Heck, they seem to be working their way up the Hudson River with recent service inauguration to HPN and SWF!
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 15):
I have heard also that FL will be finding its way into some Western cities next year. The ones I have heard about is SAN, SLC, ABQ and more LAS service from existing cities.

If they can take on DL in their fortress hub of ATL, then they can also serve SLC, if they can get the gate space there.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:12 pm

Airtran is beginning service to Daytona Beach International Airport in January. It will be three flights per day to Atlanta, and I believe in Mid-February it will become 4 flights per day and one to Baltimore. This will compete directly with two carriers DAB has now in Delta to Atlanta and United to Washington D.C.

The only flight not being competed with directly would be continental airlines. SHould be interesting to see what happens to the load factors of Delta, wonder if the passenger traffic of DAB will spike a bit with more students goinig to DAB from ERAU instead of MCO.......time shall tell, but I'm really excited about it.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:15 pm

On a related note, will we see ATL-SEA go year-round in 2007? I was pretty surprised that they kept it seasonal this year considering the strength of the ATL-SEA market...is DL too tough to compete with year-round as things stand now?
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:21 pm

FL should bypass ATL and be the first airline to offer nonstop PDX-Florida to either MCO, TPA, or FLL. They could try this seasonal and see how it performs. DL has cut back terribly at PDX, and FL could keep them in check. I'd also like to see US add CLT. Thoughts?
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:33 pm

Hopefully AirTran will announce PHX before next summer, i hope to fly them for the first time.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting Pdxintl (Reply 36):
FL should bypass ATL and be the first airline to offer nonstop PDX-Florida to either MCO, TPA, or FLL. They could try this seasonal and see how it performs. DL has cut back terribly at PDX, and FL could keep them in check. I'd also like to see US add CLT. Thoughts?

FL doesn't fly to Florida from any of their current west coast destinations (LAX, SFO, SEA), so I seriously doubt that you'll be seeing them start with PDX. Any service by FL to PDX is going to be from ATL...they aren't going to pass up the connection opportunities in ATL just to be the only carrier serving Florida from PDX. That said, the Portland-Florida market is surely strong enough to support a daily non-stop, and I don't expect that service on that sector is far-off...perhaps AS will jump in once more 738s come into service...

As far as US starting CLT-PDX, I think it's a long ways off considering how long it took them to start a daily PHL-PDX flight. Non-stop service between these markets isn't in high demand, and there aren't many connection opportunities for US passengers in PDX (nor are there many significant ones in CLT that aren't available to PDX passengers in PHL). I think we'll see CLT-PDX when US has more metal to spare...
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
No LCCs:
MLB, MDT, CVG, AVP, BGR, CAE, CHS, TLH (AVP and BGR may be too small)

Lets toss CRW in that mix.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 24):
Flying from PHL to BOS with ten people on the airplane doesn't make money.

For what it's worth, here are average onboard loads for the 12 most recent months available, August 05 through July 06:

61.2% aug
58.6% sept
64.0% oct
56.0% nov
44.1% dec
35.4% jan
48.8% feb
53.3% mar
61.8% apr
57.8% may
55.1% jun
54.8% jul

PHL-BOS started in May of 2003, so during this past summer peak when they struggled to average 55% full, it was the fourth summer for FL. This is not a new market.

As further proof this market seems "mature" for AirTran, they carried nearly the same number of passengers July 2006 (22,595) as July 2005 (22,087). Yet they flew 51 more filghts and 6,236 more seats this July versus last.

With more flights this year versus last, the softening market this fall, and general variation from peak to offpeak days, it wouldn't surprise me if some PHL-BOS trips did go with perhaps a dozen or so passengers.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 am

Well they did so well at the western expansion at DFW !!  Smile

Lets see, they've pulled out of DFW-LAX "AND" DFW-LAS. I was told when I interviewed with them that they wanted to make a mini-hub out of DFW and add about 30 to 40 flights a day. Guess that didn't happen.

Also, a little birdie told me that their Sr. VP of Marketing is a screamer. Seems he screams a lot in meetings........I'm sure he will need some throat lozenges very soon at the rate they are going............  Smile
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:35 am

I think the plan is to get to about 300 flights per day in ATL, so more growth will take place there. Not the best move in my opinion since ATL is prone to numerous and extensive ATC delays, but I guess the planes have to go somewhere.

ATL gets hit with ground stops when the skies get overcast. It doesn't even have to rain for the planes to come to a stop. Heck it can be 65 and sunny and ATC delays still occur. Too many planes trying to move around, plain and simple.

BTW, the ATL airport commission is obviously run by a bunch of geniuses. They open a new runway to much fanfare, only to close an older one which really wasn't in a huge state of disrepair. Real smart. And the new runway...ha...great design there, having to cross two runways and two taxi ways just to get to the terminals.....it never takes less than 15 min to do all that.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
What airports are left that dont have any LCC airline at all,

Ever since C8 pulled out, FWA (my hometown airport) doesn't have any LCC service... not even from G4. Personally, I don't think that Allegiant would serve FWA, as it's too close to their existing bases in SBN and TOL.

Speaking of TOL, I read that TOL wants AirTran to try for a third time, but FL continues to refuse given their past two experiences.
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 21):

Amen, would love to see FL here at CID, but alas I suppose MLI is too close for them to consider it. I hate seeing MLI get all the good airfares!  Smile
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:22 am

i'm still hoping FL chosesto fly to PVD
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 45):
i'm still hoping FL chosesto fly to PVD

me too - I think FL would be a great fit for PVD.
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 43):
Speaking of TOL, I read that TOL wants AirTran to try for a third time, but FL continues to refuse given their past two experiences.

Dude...do we have to get into this again? What is your source? Please email me direct so we can discuss this further. I think you just like to get a response outta me...why do you have so much beef with TOL anyways?

This is purely my opinion and my thoughts, but I think AirTran needs to get back to their roots, or where they got started at. My arm chair CEO is making an appearance. *disclaimer* I haven't worked for them since 2002 and I still love and follow the company. I think they are finding they are getting in too deep with the majors because the majors have finally adjusted using either BK or a good business plan. There are 2 things I would like to see them do:

1)It was mentioned they wanted to get ATL up to 300 daily flights. I honestly think that is a good thing. Also, I feel AirTran should go back to where/how they started - smaller/medium sized markets. There are some markets DL is really drawing down that are ripe for the pickings. I would say CHS and CAE in the southeast are good markets to start off from. I also think markets in the great lakes like GRR, SBN, FWA, and TOL would also go over well. DL has really decreased their presence in the area with the draw down of CVG and FL could come in with pricing power to make money. In the midwest (ok plains also), I could see MSN, CID, DSM, OMA, OKC and to a lesser extent RST. All of these markets could sustain a 2x to 3x a day pattern to ATL. Adding some of these smaller markets they would have to increase capacity on their trunk routes like ATL-MDW, NYC, BOS, Florida, etc. I think they would still need to add a few more trunk routes in SJU, CUN, PHX, ONT/SNA/PSP, and PDX. It was mentioned they were adding a few more gates in ATL a little while back so I think they could really handle it. When I flew them back in September, I didn't think their gates were fully utilized, maybe incorporating the rolling hub theme - a plane comes in and goes out.

2)Stick to a #2 hub. It was mentioned where DFW was supposed to be up to 40 daily flights by this time. I also heard this (former FL DFW manager) and was surprised to see them not follow through with it. They built BWI fairly quickly, but have yet to really do much with it. They brought in DTW-BWI and have since dropped it with WN adding the route. I thought they had a good operation when I flew through there in September. MDW is obviously hampered due to the lack of gate space. Any way you look at it FL is going to have to compete with someone in some kind of major city. I still think DFW is their best option in creating a second hub. The Dallas area has pretty decent O/D and bringing in the routes from the medium sized cities connecting to some trunk routes, I think it could work. FNT and CAK come to my mind on running routes to DFW. Both routes have high O/D to DFW (CAK has over 100 per day). I would say in the east fly DFW-HPN, ROC, DFW, PHF, JAX, FNT, DAY, CAK, RDU, ICT. They would need to add cities in the west of course including DEN, SEA, SFO, LAX, LAS, PHX. But they could also add a couple of flights to FAT, SMF, ONT, RNO, SAT, ELP, AUS, ABQ to allow a mix of connections and O/D. Yes they are going to have to compete with AA, but if they run just a few flights a day, IMO they could do it. This could coincide with reducing some flights into ATL or they could route their east/west connections thru DFW and leave north/south through ATL, computers can do that.

All in all, I would like to see them get back to their midsized markets and build another hub and stick with it. But then again, what do I know? I do hope they pull through this and find their footing. Once again this was just my 2 cents worth from my observations and knowledge of AirTran.

Ryan
 
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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 46):
me too - I think FL would be a great fit for PVD.

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RE: New Routes For Airtran In '07?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 40):
For what it's worth, here are average onboard loads for the 12 most recent months available, August 05 through July 06:

61.2% aug
58.6% sept
64.0% oct
56.0% nov
44.1% dec
35.4% jan
48.8% feb
53.3% mar
61.8% apr
57.8% may
55.1% jun
54.8% jul

Since the Overall Annual Load Factor for AirTran is in the low 70s, these numbers would seem to be fairly unsatisfactory. Competition at PHL must be fierce and I personally cannot really understand why they remain. They maybe should have beat DL to Wilmington,DL or tried Atlantic City, or even Trenton.
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