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FedEx IND Hub

Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:40 pm

I was wondering if any of the locals or for that matter if anyone that has flown thru IND in the last month or so, seen and construction work being done to the Fedex Hub at IND? They stated about 2 or so months ago, that a fairly large expansion would take place imediality. I was just wondering. Fedex will be inching closer to the MEM hub when complete!

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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:20 am

I landed at IND on October 10th. The area just beyond the Southwest end of the FX ramp had been recently bulldozed, as if they were getting ready to pour cement.
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:29 am

It's a total of five more gates, should be ready mid November. Is it Memphis yet?  hyper 
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:56 am

How many gates does fedex have at MEM??
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:06 am

When this current expansion is complete the FX hub in IND will be close to the same size as the MEM facility in square footage and sorting CAPACITY. However I think you will find the actual volume of packages a bit short. This is based on the numbers listed in the news release about the expansion and the last article I was able to find on the MEM sorting facility.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:12 am

Oh wow... I did not know we were that close to MEM in size of operations.... How many aircraft gates does MEM have anyone know?
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:25 pm

Hey Indy,

I am actually curious as to what the local airport authority has done to entice FedEX to drasticly expand their IND presence into a hub. PIT is trying to add cargo facilities there, but is having trouble with Moon TWP (NIMBYS), as well as cargo airlines not interested due to the high operating fees there. Someone posted on another thread that they were going to build a facility in Moon TWP (former Greater PIT terminal site) that could hold 13 747s, but Moon emphatically opposed that and the proposal was shot down.

I was wondering what IND is doing and if something similar could be done for PIT. Just a thought, or is PIT just a lost cause plagued by crooked idiots in power surrounded by whiny, anti-change, all-for-their-selfish-selves NIMBYs? When will they wake up and realize that PIT needs to participate in the global market, make money, attract business any which way it can. Otherwise, there will be NOTHING for Pittsburgh. It will go bankrupt and everyone in the 10-county region will have NOTHING. The region is on life-support pretty much. Accept change for the region; it will benefit everyone. They're not the only residents of Southwestern PA...

Okay, enough of that rant, back to IND.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:51 pm

I don't know if it has made a difference or not but they (airport authority) has been buying up land all around the airport for years. Probably fewer NIMBYS. Also location helps.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:07 pm

IND = Room Room & More Room....they even re-routed I-70 to fit FedEx....also no NIBYS around the airport...there is still more space, for oters in needed; the former UAL Mx Center and the USPS "Express Mail" cargo ramp are vacant....
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:34 pm

IND I think could be the largest Cargo hub in the world if someone wanted it to be. MEM or some of these other large airports don't have all the room that IND has. ON the North side alone you have a large USPS hub that is not being used to start a operation. YOu have a huge mx center to work on the planes if you wanted to and you have about 200+ acres to do what ever you want with.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting COSPN (Reply 8):
IND = Room Room & More Room....they even re-routed I-70 to fit FedEx....also no NIBYS around the airport...there is still more space, for oters in needed; the former UAL Mx Center and the USPS "Express Mail" cargo ramp are vacant....



Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 9):
IND I think could be the largest Cargo hub in the world if someone wanted it to be. MEM or some of these other large airports don't have all the room that IND has. ON the North side alone you have a large USPS hub that is not being used to start a operation. YOu have a huge mx center to work on the planes if you wanted to and you have about 200+ acres to do what ever you want with.

It seems like IND is the ideal place to build a massive cargo hub at...

Ample space: positive
NO NIMBYs: a BIG positive
Tax breaks to build the facility: another big positive

Does anyone have a list of all the US-based cargo airlines and their hubs/focus cities? I imagine that this growing IND FedEX hub would bring huge tax dollars into Indianapolis and the surrounding region, essentially boosting the region's economy with job growth.

Let's see, the IND hub, let's say hypothetically employs 10,000 people. I suppose another 20-30k jobs would also be affected by this hub, much like what US did at their former fortress hub at PIT circa 2000/2001: 11,000+ employees, supporting another 23,000 employees.

As I said above, major shot in the arm for IND job growth...
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:54 pm

Was there last week for training. The expansion at IND for us will add up to 30% increase. Adding 14 widebody a/c gates, 400,000 sqft addition to sort facility, 175,000 sqft additional sort building, and two new MX buildings with 48,000 sqft of work space.

Currently we have 61 gates on IND, 38 for wide-body, and 23 for short-body a/c.

In comparison, MEM has over 200 gates total. Not quite MEM size.  box 
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:56 pm

I seriously think IND will some day be a huge contender in the cargo market. Besides Fedex and all the planes they bring in around the clock. We now have CargoLux flying 747-400 twice weekly service from LUX. I think there will be more to come too.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:58 pm

Wow i did not realize that MEM had that many gates? IND is not even half way there then? Will IND ever have that many?
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 9):
IND I think could be the largest Cargo hub in the world if someone wanted it to be.

How is IND's winter weather? One of Memphis' prime advantages is that it very rarely gets significant winter weather, and for the airport to close for weather reasons is quite unusual.
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
In comparison, MEM has over 200 gates total. Not quite MEM size.

What is the size of the MEM sorting facility and their sorting capacity. I think that is a bigger issue than the number of gates.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
The expansion at IND for us will add up to 30% increase. Adding 14 widebody a/c gates, 400,000 sqft addition to sort facility, 175,000 sqft additional sort building, and two new MX buildings with 48,000 sqft of work space.

Currently we have 61 gates on IND, 38 for wide-body, and 23 for short-body a/c.

In comparison, MEM has over 200 gates total. Not quite MEM size.

Ok, so the expansion will bring the gate total to 75 gates, from what I gather of this. Yeah, that's not even half of what MEM has. Still, quite sizeable though.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:50 am

Check out MEM FedEx hub on google earth. It's huge!
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I don't know if it has made a difference or not but they (airport authority) has been buying up land all around the airport for years. Probably fewer NIMBYS. Also location helps.

Yes, Indiana (except for Gary) is a lot better about the NIMBY issue than East or West coasters, or even the Chicago area.
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 18):
Yes, Indiana (except for Gary) is a lot better about the NIMBY issue than East or West coasters, or even the Chicago area.

Unless you are wanting to build an extension to I-69. I think they are wanting to build that route through the NIMBY metro area.
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
Unless you are wanting to build an extension to I-69. I think they are wanting to build that route through the NIMBY metro area.

That part's not important. Just utilize I-465. They can get a lot of that done by just using the path of State Road 37 south from Indy. That takes you almost all the way out of Indiana. It's already been brought up to Interstate standards along much of the route. And south from Indiana, much of the I-69 route is already in the hands of government.
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 15):
What is the size of the MEM sorting facility and their sorting capacity. I think that is a bigger issue than the number of gates.

According to an article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal earlier this year, the IND facility will have a sort capacity of 99,000 packages/hour when the expansion is complete. At present the Memphis SuperHub has a sort capacity of 150,000 packages/hour with capacity for another 10%.
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:53 am

I'm curious why FedEx is developing such a large operation at IND given it's relative nearness to MEM (~ 450 miles). This is like when US operated 2 major hubs at PHL and PIT -- something had to give and PIT lost out. Isn't there the danger IND will reduce the status of MEM to some degree? Shipping by FedEx is getting more expensive all the time and there's UPS with its hub at SDF, about 110 miles from IND and ~300 from MEM, offering competing service!
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:05 am

I don't think the proximity of IND-SDF or MEM-SDF really matters. It isn't like it will influence who a customer picks for shipping. I don't know if IND will negatively effect MEM. They don't have much room for growth so FX has to go somewhere and IND has plenty of space. They have a state of the art sorting facility here, room to grow and the ability to have the facility placed between parallel runways to cut down on taxi times and fuel consumption. The 3rd parallel runway is a future addition. Last I heard the construction date was up in the air.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:42 am

The 3rd parallel would in fact be for Fedex. That is obvious. They would place it over I-70 and it would start right at the southwest corner of the Fedex Parking lot. and they even have talks of adding aircraft gates over on the south side of I-70 as well. If Fedex does all they want to do to IND...... I know i will catch hell but IND will be your largest Hub for Federal Express...
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 22):
I'm curious why FedEx is developing such a large operation at IND given it's relative nearness to MEM (~ 450 miles).

That really isn't that close...

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 22):
This is like when US operated 2 major hubs at PHL and PIT -- something had to give and PIT lost out. Isn't there the danger IND will reduce the status of MEM to some degree? Shipping by FedEx is getting more expensive all the time and there's UPS with its hub at SDF, about 110 miles from IND and ~300 from MEM, offering competing service!

Now that you brought up PIT again, there is talk of going with a cargo air carrier, but I don't think anyone will set up a focus city or hub there. FedEX has a hub at EWR. UPS with its hub at Louisville, and DHL with its hub outside Cincinnati - all within close proximity to PIT. I would love to see an air cargo hub at PIT to essentially bring back lost jobs in the US hub demise there, but what other carriers are there within the US that would provide cargo service? I don't think that FX, UPS, or DHL would even consider doing this...
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 20):
Just utilize I-465.

I believe it has already been determined that the I-69 extension will go around the East side of the city on I-465. Any plans to bring I-69 downtown via Fall Creek Parkway died in the 1970s.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 20):
They can get a lot of that done by just using the path of State Road 37 south from Indy. That takes you almost all the way out of Indiana. It's already been brought up to Interstate standards along much of the route.

Not true at all. Sure, from the S side of Indy to Bloomington (and beyond? I rarely go South of B-ton) it is 4 lanes. But "interstate standards" also means limited access, i.e. interchanges instead of stoplights/stopsigns/driveways. Much work remains to be done to get SR-37 up to interstate standards.
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 26):
But "interstate standards" also means limited access, i.e. interchanges instead of stoplights/stopsigns/driveways. Much work remains to be done to get SR-37 up to interstate standards.

and don't forget overpasses. They have to be a certain height now above the road surface, which I believe is 17 feet, instead of 13 or 14 feet from 20 years ago or so...
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting 777wt (Reply 17):
Check out MEM FedEx hub on google earth. It's huge!



Quoting Indy (Reply 15):

What is the size of the MEM sorting facility and their sorting capacity. I think that is a bigger issue than the number of gates.

Adjacent to MEM, the hub spans 300 acres and has a 7.5-mile perimeter. Although there's some activity on the day shift as workers take care of second-day shipments, it pales in comparison to the hustle and bustle that takes place at night. During the graveyard shift (3rd shift), more than 8,000 workers scramble to unload, sort, scan, and ship the million or more overnight packages that pass through its gates each evening.

It all starts at about 10:30 p.m. when 150 to 160 planes from FedEx's fleet begin descending on MEM from all over the world.

Planes heading to Europe and the East Coast are the first to take off at about 2 a.m., and all the planes are in the air by 3:30 a.m.

The same activity takes place on a smaller scale at other national, international, and regional hubs. FedEx has operations in Anchorage, Alaska; Chicago; Fort Worth, Texas; Indianapolis; Los Angeles; Newark, N.J.; Oakland, Calif.; Germany; France; Japan; the Philippines; the United Arab Emirates; and the United Kingdom.

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Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 28):
The same activity takes place on a smaller scale at other national, international, and regional hubs. FedEx has operations in Anchorage, Alaska; Chicago; Fort Worth, Texas; Indianapolis; Los Angeles; Newark, N.J.; Oakland, Calif.; Germany; France; Japan; the Philippines; the United Arab Emirates; and the United Kingdom.

Ye Ole Hub

That whole thing just north of the MEM pax terminal is their FedEX ops alone??? SHEESH!!! That IS huge!!!
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 29):

That whole thing just north of the MEM pax terminal is their FedEX ops alone??? SHEESH!!! That IS huge!!!

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Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:03 am

Look for IND to be just as big in 10 years.....
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 26):
Not true at all. Sure, from the S side of Indy to Bloomington (and beyond? I rarely go South of B-ton) it is 4 lanes. But "interstate standards" also means limited access, i.e. interchanges instead of stoplights/stopsigns/driveways. Much work remains to be done to get SR-37 up to interstate standards.

Bloomington is all Interstate-grade now. There are just a couple of small access roads that could easily be diverted/closed off. The rest of the SR-37 crossings have been completely redone in the last 10-15 years.
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 31):
Look for IND to be just as big in 10 years.....

As much as I would love that to be true..

FedEx MEM

FedEx IND

Photos are the same scale, IND has a long way to go! There is room now and the space is better planned out in IND than MEM, but still, a LONG way to go.
 
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:22 am

This photo by M.J. Scanlon speaks volumes about what MEM looks like during a busy period - and this is just the tarmac on the west side of the SuperHub complex:


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Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:26 am

Just to put size in perspective. When this latest expansion becomes complete IND will be 2/3rds the size of the MEM facility. Between the two centers they will have the ability to handle a quarter of a million packages per hour. Anyone know what the UPS facility in Louisville can handle?
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 35):
Anyone know what the UPS facility in Louisville can handle?

I'm not sure what the pph of SDF is but here is a photo, same scale as above..

UPS SDF

And while I'm at it, the other FedEx hubs just for fun!

FedEx EWR

FedEx OAK

FedEx ANC

FedEx YYZ

FedEx CDG

FedEx SFS

[Edited 2006-10-25 00:07:14]

[Edited 2006-10-25 00:08:40]
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:38 am

I love driving by the SDF facility. Love seeing all those 747's. I love the MD11's and DC10's but there is something special about any model of 747.
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 34):
This photo by M.J. Scanlon speaks volumes about what MEM looks like during a busy period - and this is just the tarmac on the west side of the SuperHub complex:

Jeeeze... For MEM, that is pathetic!  Wink
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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:00 am

I drove by the Fedex Indianapolis Hub today, they are really coming along on the gates. That was a pretty big expansion and the sorting hub that is going to be huge.... they are really moving the project along!

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RE: FedEx IND Hub

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:18 pm

IND was showing me all kinds of pics of the construction of the new facilities: the FedEX hub expansion, extended/new taxiways, the new commercial airlines terminal. The way I have it figured, FL and NW will take the two piers, with the other carriers using the rest of the gates at the terminal. NW and FL are by far the biggest carriers there, with noticeable FL expansion. I think that NW is expanding, but not at the rate of FL. He also indicated something of a possible proposed airside terminal to complement the two piers, providing that air traffic continues to increase, especially with NW and FL growing, as I said before...
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