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BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:13 am

I will start by saying that the following is internal gossip.

There is much talk going on within BA and BMED as to the future direction of the franchise agreement.

A friend who works for BMED has been told an announcement on the 'companys direction' is being made on December 18th.

The joint aircraft order that has been placed with Airbus has now been cancelled.

Crew at both GB and BMED who were recently recruited have now been sent letters saying there are 'no jobs available' and they will be notified in January the future of their position.

My friend at BMED says loads have dropped right off. They are lucky if they get 20 or 30 passengers on the average flight now whereas they used to be packed.

The TAS service has now been cancelled completely.

Rumour within the BA side is that either a) the franchise agreement will be done away with altogether, or, b) BA will take BMED 'in house' as a subsidiary company.

Anyone else heard anything of the sort lately?
 
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:15 am

There was a rumour speculating that GB Airwways was set to part ways with BA and that BA was to integrate BMed.


Think they were dismissed though by some insiders on A.net


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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:37 am

BA Europe does seem to be in a mess I'm wondering if we will loose GB completely but if we do wasn't some of the routes they operate BA's anyway would we take them back from GB?

As for BMED the last rumor i heard about them was that they were going to merge with GB and move their joint operation to LGW to free up slots for mainline BA at LHR?

Dont you just love rumor's

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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:40 am

Why do there have to be separate divisions?

Can't it just all be called "British Airways" ?
 
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 1):
BA Europe is a mess! It needs soerting out!

A mess ? How exactly ?
Look, short-haul is hard to make a profit with, it's much easier to do long-haul, however, BA have a strong customer base, and therefore scrape through, short-haul has always been a question for BA, especially after 9/11 as to whether they were to carry on operating S/H.

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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:52 am

I think it's highly unlikely that BA mainline will want to aquire BMed especially if it's true that their flights are operating with only 20 or 30 pax on-board.

BA mainline used to fly to many of Bmed's destinations but they were simply not making any/enough profit on them to make those flight viable,hence the reason Bmed have been doing them under a franchise agreement.
If a small organization like BMed can't make those flight work,then I can't see a much larger organization like BA being able too.

I've also heard that Bmed may be getting A330's in the future.This idea would seem like 'commercial suicide' especially taking in to account the poor load factors they are reportedly experiencing.

Perhaps a closer link with GBAirways would be a sensible move as they are both similar sized A320/A321 operators.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 4):
short-haul has always been a question for BA, especially after 9/11 as to whether they were to carry on operating S/H.

Really? BA were considering stopping short-haul flying?!
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:53 am

I have also heard the GB rumours. The amount of CANX they have done have not impressed passengers, and staff.
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:06 am

Yet it ignores the fact that GB are a shorthaul operater, whilst BMED are a longhaul one. I wouldn't be surprised if GB went and operated entirely under the BA Connect banner, with BA EuroGatwick doing the same now that it operates mainly leisure routes.

As for BMED, Air France have shown it is possible to have an in-house unit operating A319 aircraft on niche lobghaul routes, mainly to oil destinations. Maybe BA will look at taking BMED in-house for the same reason, or BMED will look at going that way itself, perhaps introducing a greatly enhanced Club product, World Traveller Plus and a much reduced World Traveller section to focus on yields. This could be coupled with a reorganisation of the route network.

But I guess apart from the fact people just love rumours on A-Net so much, I'll wait for the actual announcement - if there is even to be one.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:34 am

GT is following BA at Gatwick and doing longer sectors. Short routes such as OPO NTE and SVQ (winter ski excepted) are disappearing and longer routes such as CFU JMK DLM SSH are being started.

GT's cancellation and changes are very annoying, I fly from LGW frequently and never book GT's flights early in advance, am sure others resist this aswell.

GT hasn't followed BA's £50 per sector upgrades from LGW to Club Europe, they must be doing reasonably OK.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 3):
Why do there have to be separate divisions

Arn't they seperate compaines that operate under the BA brand?
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:40 am

GT operates charters from LGW-GNB with a GT code, not sure if they wear a BA uniform though.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting BMED (Reply 10):
Quoting Vasu (Reply 3):
Why do there have to be separate divisions

Arn't they seperate compaines that operate under the BA brand?



Lovin bmi regional

Two things have affected the reasoning for 'divisions' within BA: Cost savings and/or mergers.

BA itself (mainline) pretty much wants to operate only to safe, proven cities with year round premium traffic, or to destinations that give their long-haul operations good feed.

The 'mainline' division consists of the former BOAC (BA Long-haul routes @ LHR and some at LGW), BEA (BA short-haul routes at LHR), Caledonian (BA Long-haul routes @ LGW) and DanAir (BA short-haul routes ex LGW) companies/routes/staff. This covers BA's operations at LHR and LGW (with exception of BMED/GB Airways flights of course). Crews at LGW now operate under a different contract to the LHR crews, which is less generous in terms of money, time off etc but gives the crews down there increased flexibility (they will crew a mixture of long and short-haul routes).

Then we have BA 'wholly owned subsidiary' companies. These are companies that BA have aquired and are owned 100% by BA, however they retain their own management structures, working conditions and work as an independent force. An example of this was CitiExpress which then become BA CitiExpress and is now BA Connect. They operate routes from the UK to domestic and european destinations (plus MAN-JFK) and have a much lower cost structure and are a leaner operation. 'Eurogatwick' also used to be a subsidiary company.

Finally, we have franchise airlines. BMED, GB etc. These airlines pay BA a fee to use the BA name, colour scheme, uniform, inflight product etc. BA obviously gains by appearing to fly to more destinations than they actually do, and the franchise airlines gain by having the worldwide sales and marketing force of BA (as well as the name) behind them. BA reduces their own risk by not flying to destinations that with their own cost structure, they would not make a profit on.

BA franchised out many middle east routes to BMED as BA wanted to reduce the risks of operating in an ever changing and volatile region which BMED unfortunately seems to be facing now. BA mainline used to fly to many of the destinations BMED now fly. BA itself will face no losses.

As for GB, they fly on european leisure routes that BA mainline would never make a profit on itself due to employee costs, working agreements etc.

Of course the general idea is, that 'average joe' travelling on his flight from New York to Seville (BA & GB), or San Francisco to Baku (BA & BMED) thinks they are using only BA.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:56 am

If the BA/BMed franchise ended, who would bget the LHR slots - BA or BMed

Quoting LGWspeedbird (Reply 2):
As for BMED the last rumor i heard about them was that they were going to merge with GB and move their joint operation to LGW to free up slots for mainline BA at LHR?

And bang goes most of BMed transfer passengers and the loads end up nosediving with AF/LH etc having a very big smile on their faces
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:26 am

One thing that is without doubt is that BMED routes have been very lightly booked for some time.

I doubt that this is entirely due to BMED's strategy of adding stopovers on virtually its entire network as, ultimately, the economy traveller is price driven and will tolerate waiting for an hour in Yekaterinburg or Alexandria for a lower price. The services should stilll appeal to business class passengers whose alternatives to places like Addis, Bishkek etc will either require an aircraft change with another airline, or the direct alternative will not be very appealing for the mileage whore. Although the Tashkent withdrawal slaps this argument across the face.

It will be interesting to see how BMED address this problem as I cannot see it being remedied by going alone, and I think BA would ransack BMED if mainline got its hands on it.

As for GB Airways............people like myself, Treksuit and others who handle these bookings in whatever way all, uniformly and without exception, despise the airline. I cannot see GB Airways staying afloat if they cannot hide behind the anonymity that BA affords them. How could you trust an airline that makes 6 schedule changes on your booking within 8 months, then changes departure airport from LGW to LHR, then changes the day of travel entirely, then cancels the route and offers no reroute alternative. I would dance around the streets of Manchester wearing a Liverpool thong if GB Airways either (a) buggered off, or (b) were put under the control of a chimp with a dozen brain cellls. This would make life so much easier for me and for passengers.

Intriguing as to whether anything happens at all. It probably won't, but BMED loads have been worryingly low.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:32 am

But if GT and KJ leave BA, it is BA who's gonna suffer the most. Remember the stranded passengers in east Africa after the demise of Regional Airlines of Kenya. If BA looses GT and KJ, BA's network will shrink a lot and the route netzork won't be as attractive as it is now because these airlines feed into BA's network. And recently, most of the new routes and destinations were added by franchise partners not by mainline BA which is less dynamic...
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
But if GT and KJ leave BA, it is BA who's gonna suffer the most. Remember the stranded passengers in east Africa after the demise of Regional Airlines of Kenya. If BA looses GT and KJ, BA's network will shrink a lot and the route netzork won't be as attractive as it is now because these airlines feed into BA's network. And recently, most of the new routes and destinations were added by franchise partners not by mainline BA which is less dynamic...

Obviously, nobody would want an unannounced, immediate buggering-off of GB Airways. But, if they refuse to amend their ways, I don't think many people in BA would shed too many tears if a gradual withdrawl was made.

Hopefully, it won't come to that but it does not change the fact that GB Airways' flight scheduling over the past couple of years has been nothing more than shoddy.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 12):
Of course the general idea is, that 'average joe' travelling on his flight from New York to Seville (BA & GB), or San Francisco to Baku (BA & BMED) thinks they are using only BA.

If this is true I take it that your 'average joe' does not read in-flight magazines. Every time I have flown GT the in flight magazine has been distictively GT and very different to the in flight magazine supplied on BA flights.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
If this is true I take it that your 'average joe' does not read in-flight magazines. Every time I have flown GT the in flight magazine has been distictively GT and very different to the in flight magazine supplied on BA flights.

Yes VV you are right. BMED has also just very recently also began printing their own magazine. They used to offer BA's 'Highlife' in-flight managzine.

A sign (albeit small) that Gb and BMED wish to distance themselves from BA?
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
But if GT and KJ leave BA, it is BA who's gonna suffer the most. Remember the stranded passengers in east Africa after the demise of Regional Airlines of Kenya. If BA looses GT and KJ, BA's network will shrink a lot and the route netzork won't be as attractive as it is now because these airlines feed into BA's network. And recently, most of the new routes and destinations were added by franchise partners not by mainline BA which is less dynamic...

BA would suffer a hell of a lot more if it was BA itself operating these routes though.

That is the great benefit of the franchise agreement. If BA was flying these routes with 20 or 30 passengers as BMED are at the moment it would be bad news for BA. But as it is, BMED shoulder most of the losses.

The problem BMED will likely have if they go it alone, is that BA will identify routes that could be profitable in-house and compete with them. Before the BMED franchise agreement, BA used to serve the likes of Baku or Tehran with 767's. BMED have shown that airbus narrowbodies can also work on these routes (and are probably a lot better suited than a 767). BA isn't short of of short-haul aircraft like they are of long-haul a/c. If they needed to launch new services due to the pull-out of BMED they could do very quickly.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 18):
A sign (albeit small) that Gb and BMED wish to distance themselves from BA?

I do not think they would do this. Remember Duo Airways (formerly Maersk Air UK). Having been a BA franchise partner based at BHX they went independent and did not survive for more than seven months.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting BAStew (Reply 18):
Yes VV you are right. BMED has also just very recently also began printing their own magazine. They used to offer BA's 'Highlife' in-flight managzine.

A sign (albeit small) that Gb and BMED wish to distance themselves from BA?

I don't know about KJ but GT has alwas had the Med Life magazine plus High Life... So nothing there to speculate about...

I think GT could go its own way because it is easy to fill planes to Malaga or Faro but not BMED. BMED relies on transfer passengers to feed their flights. GT don't.

But I think BA should stick to GT and KJ (buy them) because they are adding a nice network to BA (Have you tried to imagine BA's map without them?)
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 4):

I mean the whole BA Connect fiasco. They are trying to compete with the low cost carriers a competition that they can never win. I still stand by the theory that BA should stick to what it is best at, Full service flights for the business and premium leisure passenger, maybe operating an LCC on the side.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):
Really? BA were considering stopping short-haul flying?!

Yes, they weren't making as much money as they wanted (but as I've stated, this was always the case) and since the airline was in a lot of debt, they needed money earning divisions, not divisions that just scraped through.
However, BA didn't sell it off, but instead cut lots of routes and schedules, as they did at long-haul, although I somehow thing S/H suffered worse.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 22):
I mean the whole BA Connect fiasco. They are trying to compete with the low cost carriers a competition that they can never win. I still stand by the theory that BA should stick to what it is best at, Full service flights for the business and premium leisure passenger, maybe operating an LCC on the side.

It's true that they can't compete with LCC's like your favourite FR, but the idea was that 'thinner' routes would go to BA Connect, which BA don't make huge amounts of money on, leaving their more proffitable business route mainline (the LCY routes still have the mainline offerings beucase they make money). BA Connect isn't a true LCC in the sense that they offer hot food, leather seats which recline etc, which they no doubt hope will draw customers in. I'm pretty sure this is a ploy by Willie Walsh to see how an 'alternative' LCC goes, if it doesn't do well, then bye bye BA Connect.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:25 pm

GT's franchise agreement with BA ends 2010, BA would be very sensible to sort out the cancellation problem with them, perhaps only allowing GT's core flights to go on sale up to 355 days in advance, the others at twice yearly intervals a la easyJet.

GT have got to be careful because the cancellation reputation is increasing.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 23):

Fair enough, I hope the "favourite FR " bit was sarcasm lol


I just think the whole BA europe thing is going in the wrong direction and I have visons of WW trying to turn BA into a supersized EI
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:47 pm

Well, this is just my scratchings on the back of a beer mat, but:

Consolidate long haul ops at LHR

Do a few token non-Bermuda II routes ex LGW

Ditch the "Operated by GB Airways" and call it British Airtours

Use night-idle shuttle aircraft at out stations for the odd British Airtours charter

Give BA Connect ops in Scotland a bit of local identity. I dunno, let's call it something like British Caledonian

As some LHR 320s get older, give them a bit of a tarting up and send them off to BHX and MAN. (Funny how loads plummetted when the 737s were replaced with Jungle Jets).

Wow. I think I've cracked it !

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):

lmao so true
 
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:48 am

Actually BMED have had their own inhouse magazine for some time, and just to point out, they also have a copy of Highlife in every seat pocket. I'm not sure where you get your information from.

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Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Well, this is just my scratchings on the back of a beer mat, but:

Some good ideas Blue! But a lot of what seems crazy to many of us sorta work in a strange way.

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Consolidate long haul ops at LHR

Do a few token non-Bermuda II routes ex LGW

BA would LOVE it if they could do this. But LHR is just too slot restricted. The only alternative to consolidating all long-haul ops to LHR would be to transfer many short-haul ones to LGW. The long haul ops @ LGW are all either leisure point-to-point orientated routes (that rely on little inbound feed), or non - Bermuda II routes. At LHR, inbound short-haul feed accounts for around 38% of BA LHR long haul departing passengers. Moving any of this pontial feed to LGW would be crazy. I guess one day we might be lucky enough to have room for the entire LHR/LGW operation at LHR (circa year 2097 LOL).

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Ditch the "Operated by GB Airways" and call it British Airtours

Would be nice. But would have to be GB Airways that changed their name. BA is legally required by IATA to notify all passengers of the airline actually opeating the service hence the 'operated by GB airways' malarchy.

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Use night-idle shuttle aircraft at out stations for the odd British Airtours charter

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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Give BA Connect ops in Scotland a bit of local identity. I dunno, let's call it something like British Caledonian

As some LHR 320s get older, give them a bit of a tarting up and send them off to BHX and MAN. (Funny how loads plummetted when the 737s were replaced with Jungle Jets).

Well I guess that the whole local identity thing would be a nice idea. But BA Connect is a low cost airline established in response to the likes of EZY/FR in the region and is aimed (primarily) at the passenger that considers 'price' their primary desire. The airline is meant to operate pretty much on a shoe string. Giving the scottish ops their own identity would basically mean money......individualised signing, stationary, aircraft titles etc etc. And on top of that it would add yet another 'division' to the web of companies already in BA that manage to confuse people....BA, BA Connet, BMED, GB, BA Caledonian.....

As for sending some clapped out 320's to MAN/BHX guess it could happen once they get something to replace them with @ LHR.

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 26):
Memo to Wee Willie. Change the airline motto. Try
"If it wasn't broke, why the f*&k did we change it ?!"

Hehe. Well I guess one thing that BA has learned over the last few years is that it doesn't have a god given right to exist. And also, to take the competition seriously. BA have fobbed off many 'little ventures' as they called them when they were announced. Virgin, Easyjet etc. They did it to their detriment and responded too late.

I guess nothing in the airline industry really stands still long. One minute it is only thewealthy few who can travel, then its everyone. One minute you are protected by careful bi-lateral agreements, the next the market is opened up and you are fair game to everyone. One minute you are competing with AF/IB/AZ/KL etc, the next by FR/EZY/VS etc. All Business Class airlines, now low cost longhaul airlines (oasis).

If we leave things as they are there won't be any 'BA anything' in a few years.
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:09 am

The slots are BMED's not BA's, so if the franchise agreement ended BA would not get them and they wouldn;t be freed up for BA mainline.

If bigger aircraft came along they would not be used for exisiting routes so no commercial suicide there!

BA wouldn't be so quick to take over any BMED routes, where would they get the slots and aircraft from as it would mean pulling some of their routes, don;t forget that a BA short haul A/C does a lot more flights a day than BMED ones so it couldn;t really be integrated into the existing short haul fleet without them chopping routes or getting new aircraft!
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Theginge (Reply 30):
The slots are BMED's not BA's, so if the franchise agreement ended BA would not get them and they wouldn;t be freed up for BA mainline.

BA has sone slots used for Cargo only services out of LHR. BA can change the cargo ops to LGW and use these slots instead...
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:06 am

But maybe those cargo flight feed belly cargo on the BA short and long haul passenger flights at LHR? I'm sure flying them into LGW, then sending it all by lorry to LHR makes a lot of sense!
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:34 am

I have never seen a BA all Cargo Aircraft at LHR, unless they let other airlines have them.
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:38 am

I think the Chairman of BMED, Lord Hesketh, is very much his own man and in any circumstance could do what is least expected.

In 1971 when he was 21 he established an F2 motor racing team. He employed a newcomer, James Hunt, as his driver. They had an unsuccessful season. Did Hesketh close the team down? Did he consolidate with a view to improving results the following season? No, he turned it into an F1 Grand Prix team. In their third season as an F1 team they won their first race, the Dutch Grand Prix, and Hunt finished fourth in the world championship ahead of both of the Ferrari drivers. So what did Hesketh do? At the end of the season he closed the team down. His protege, Hunt, went to McClaren when Emerson Fittipaldi decided to quit. At McClarten Hunt became world champion.

Lord Hesketh is obviously close to BMED. For example he was on the first BMED flight into Beirut after the recent hostilities. But predicting what he might do with BMED in specific circumstances may be as difficult as forecasting what he would do next with the Hesketh motor racing team.
 
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 23):
Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):
Really? BA were considering stopping short-haul flying?!

Yes, they weren't making as much money as they wanted (but as I've stated, this was always the case) and since the airline was in a lot of debt, they needed money earning divisions, not divisions that just scraped through.
However, BA didn't sell it off, but instead cut lots of routes and schedules, as they did at long-haul, although I somehow thing S/H suffered worse.

I couldn't imagine BA giving up shorthaul - even if it is making a small loss. Imagine all the slots they would lose at LHR to competitors (I'm sure they couldn't use them all on long haul!).


BA connect on the other hand I don't see being around for long!
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:51 am

Shorthaul LHR is now profitable, albeit not hugely.

This was announced at their last annual financial report.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:06 am

Would make sense for them to keep Shorthaul then if they are making cash, feeds the long haul as well!
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:31 am

I think BA has a 49% stake in GT, isn't it? So I don't think GT can easily go away... Am I wrong?
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theginge
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:57 pm

As far as I know GB Airways is in Private hands and BA don't have any stake.
 
BA787
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 38):

I think GT is strictly just A BA franchise, contrary to popular belief! Am I imagining things, or weren't GT considering oprating a seperate LCC not under the franchise. I read it somewhere, may be wrong though.
 
richardw
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:16 pm

BTW GT have a stretcher conversion A321, for transporting patients.

Similar to this http://www.lifeport.com/sitemap02.cfm?pid=25&pgid=3&cnt=4

[Edited 2006-10-27 14:47:45]
 
theginge
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:34 pm

A lot of airlines are able to put in Stretchers, just a case of losing a few rows of seats down one side of Economy to fit the stretcher in across the top of the folded down seats.
 
vv701
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 38):
I think BA has a 49% stake in GT, isn't it?

Until 1996 BA had a 49 per cent stake in GT. But when GT became a BA franchise operator that year BA sold their stake to Donaldson who already owned the other 51 per cent.
 
BCAL
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 12):
former BOAC (BA Long-haul routes @ LHR and some at LGW), BEA (BA short-haul routes at LHR), Caledonian (BA Long-haul routes @ LGW) and DanAir (BA short-haul routes ex LGW)

BOAC never had any aircraft based at LGW or services from LGW. Until their murder of, sorry, merger with British Caledonian, even BA had very little presence at LGW, other than the Channel Islands services and, for a brief period, when the UK Government ordered Spanish and Portuguese services to be transferred from LHR to LGW to ease congestion at LHR. BA and TAP transferred their services, but IB refused point blank with the result that the Spanish Government temporarily banned all scheduled services by UK airlines from landing at Spanish airports. The UK Government did a U-turn and UK/Spain services returned to LHR, but a handful of BA routes to Spain remained at LGW.

BA's development at LGW came about after the merger with British Caledonian (not to be confused with Caledonian which was the Thomas Cook offshot). The principal reason why BA took over BCal was to establish a second base at LGW. However, the Monopolies and Merger Commission ruled that for the merger to go ahead, BA was not allowed to operate on all former BCal European and Domestic routes and some were handed over to other independent UK airlines, notably Air Europe (who went bust) and Dan-Air (who were also later taken over by BA).

BA did, however, continue all BCal's long-haul routes, other than LGW-HKG, LGW-LAX and the direct LGW-JFK service which they operated for a short while and then re-routed via MAN or GLA until this was dropped. Bermuda II is the reason why some BA routes to US must operate from LGW. BA transferred some of their UK-Carribbean services from LHR to LGW, as they were more leisure-orientated and by moving them to LGW, they freed up some slots at LHR which could be put to more profitable routes.

BA EuroGatwick operation has not been profitable until recently, and this is why their fleet is somewhat dated. The BA board wishes to see improvements in the EuroGatwick operation before new aircraft are ordered, but with competition from U2 and (to a smaller extent) ZB, it is a difficult road. GB operates some European routes from LGW as a BA Franchise carrier. With all the confusion in BA brands, it might be good to see the entire EuroGatwick operation rebranded as British Caledonian, so the Golden Lions and Tartan uniforms (which were a familiar sight at LGW prior to 1988) will come back, but that is wishful thinking on my part!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
rtfm
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 31):
BA has sone slots used for Cargo only services out of LHR

No they don't. BA don't operate any scheduled all cargo flights to LHR. They share space on JAL, Korean and Eva freighters and use DHL freighters for short-haul, but slots for those are all owned by the respective carriers. If BA had slots for all cargo flights at LHR, why would they operate their wet-lease 747s out of STN?
 
bastew
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:58 pm

Latest rumour on the BA internal crew forum is that BA will take over BMED/GB's A330-200 order and base them at LGW. Then transfer an equal amount of 777's from LGW to LHR and put them on long-haul routes ex LHR for short-term immediate growth.

Although BA doesn't have unused slots at LHR (the EU operates a 'use it 80% of the time of lose it' policy) there are many short-haul flights on high frequency routes that essentially operate as 'slot fillers' ie on LHR/BRU. ie operating a flight even though loads are not great just so an airline can keep the slot.
 
AIR MALTA
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 46):
Latest rumour on the BA internal crew forum is that BA will take over BMED/GB's A330-200 order and base them at LGW. Then transfer an equal amount of 777's from LGW to LHR and put them on long-haul routes ex LHR for short-term immediate growth.

I did not know that BMED/GB are ordering A330s...
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trekster
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:48 am

Since when have GB or BMED had any orders for the 330-200.

I cant see anything anywhere.
Where does the time go???
 
HUYfan
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RE: BA, Bmed And GB.

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:53 am

BAStew is the same poster that posted rubbish about BMED's inflight mags.

BA/GT have no 330s on order.

Not sure who or what he/she is, but they don't appear to know their a**e from their elbow concering the topic in discussion.

Regards

Mike