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Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:00 am

Which airline has the most number out of production planes in it's fleet?

KLM-They've got MD11, B733, B734, F50, F70, F100.. all out of production.

FEDEX- MD10, MD11, A310, 727 (??)

Which are the other big operators of out of production planes?
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:03 am

AA with over 300 MD-80s has to be a contender.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting N844AA (Reply 1):
AA with over 300 MD-80s has to be a contender.

The contender...?? The King hands down...!!!
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:08 am

AA has to be the big winner here with all of their MD-80s.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:09 am

I think probably AA:


A300's (almost)
767-200ER's (I think)
MD-80's
Saab 340
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
767-200ER's (I think)

Checked http://www.boeing.com and the 767-200ER isn't officially out of production yet....
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting N844AA (Reply 1):
AA with over 300 MD-80s has to be a contender.

Everyone seems to forget AA's 153 757s. Out of production.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Everyone seems to forget AA's 153 757s. Out of production.

DL similarly has 121 752s, all of which are P&W powered. They will increase in number as they pick up many of the former TWA birds from AA.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Saab 340

In the day, Yes.... Now, no way. Last I heard they were down to around 20 or so. Mesaba is flying more then that.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:35 am

On a smaller scale, AI's fleet of A310's.....
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:42 am

How about percentage?
FI has to be in there, with only one of their A/C, 767-300, still in production at Boeing (the rest are 757-200's).
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
767-200ER's (I think)

Heck no... as long as the 767 line is open they are available for sale. And don't forget that the KC767 is based off of a 767-200ER so there is more to come off the line still.  Wink

Quoting N844AA (Reply 1):
AA with over 300 MD-80s has to be a contender.



Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
AA has to be the big winner here with all of their MD-80s.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Everyone seems to forget AA's 153 757s. Out of production.

That would make AA have over 450 aircraft in their fleet that are out of production.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Everyone seems to forget AA's 153 757s. Out of production.

Those occurred to me, but I couldn't recall whether the 757 line was still winding down. (I now see that it has -- nearly two years ago! Welcome to 2006, me.) In my haste to make a post about my most favorite-est plane ever before anyone else could, I failed to look up this fact. It'll never happen again.  boxedin 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:27 am

The desert has the most of these types, hands down.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 13):
The desert has the most of these types, hands down.

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Check out google maps for that.  Smile
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
That would make AA have over 450 aircraft in their fleet that are out of production.

Wow, great way to kill a thread, lol.  Wink

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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 15):
Wow, great way to kill a thread, lol.

I thought so... Wink

As soon as someone said AA. I was like... Holy crap that is a lot of "old" planes. lol
(yes i know some of AA's 757's are very new)
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:57 am

For rarity, AF and BA are still flying 17 A320-100s between them, not in production since 1989.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 17):
For rarity, AF and BA are still flying 17 A320-100s between them, not in production since 1989.

Yes, but those are just out-of-production variants of in-production models, and thus don't count.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:40 am

How about NW? DC-9, DC-10, 747 Classics, and the 757. How many is that?
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 19):
How about NW? DC-9, DC-10, 747 Classics, and the 757. How many is that?

~224 mainline passenger planes, excluding Airlink, excluding NWA Cargo.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:19 am

I think it is safe to conclude that most USA carriers have fleets old enough now that they have most or at least part of their narrow-bodied air frames no longer in production. I failed to mention for DL the MD-88 and MD-90 which they have a vast fleet of, which hasn't been in production for some time now. These also represent the last air-frames with a Douglas aircraft heritage that was so dominant for so long with DL. They retired their 737-200s and 737-300s earlier this year.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:25 am

FL's Fleet of Boeing 717's.
 
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 22):
FL's Fleet of Boeing 717's

FL has 87 x 717's. AA has twice that many (nearly) 757's alone let alone the 300 x MD-80's

AA contiues to have the largest "out of production" fleet (448 aircraft).  Smile
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:48 am

has nobody mentioned NW they have 742, 757, dc-10 and the dc-9 which they have hundreds of
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 23):
FL has 87 x 717's. AA has twice that many (nearly) 757's alone let alone the 300 x MD-80's

AA contiues to have the largest "out of production" fleet (448 aircraft).

I never said that it was the largest, just stated the fact that they had a fleet of 717's that isn't in production anymore.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 24):
has nobody mentioned NW they have 742, 757, dc-10 and the dc-9 which they have hundreds of

We are talking own has the largest fleet of no longer in production aircraft by model...

My guess would be FedX has the DC-10 market, American has the 757 market... Northwest might be #1 for the DC-9
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:15 am

UPS for dc-8 they have quite a few and fedex for 727 also
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 24):
has nobody mentioned NW they have 742, 757, dc-10 and the dc-9 which they have hundreds of

742: 21 active (12 stored)
757: 59 active (13 stored)
DC-10: 9 active (33 stored)
DC-9: 0 active (8 stored)

Is that DC-9 count correct?! I thought they still had a huge fleet of them...
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Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 25):
I never said that it was the largest, just stated the fact that they had a fleet of 717's that isn't in production anymore.

My bad. I beleive they have the largest 717 fleet...
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 28):
DC-9: 0 active (8 stored)

Is that DC-9 count correct?! I thought they still had a huge fleet of them...

That's not correct. Off the top of my head, I want to say they have 109 or thereabouts, I think, but it's definitely not 0/8.
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 24):
has nobody mentioned NW they have 742, 757, dc-10 and the dc-9 which they have hundreds of

Prior to this:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 19):
How about NW? DC-9, DC-10, 747 Classics, and the 757. How many is that?

And my response:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 20):
~224 mainline passenger planes, excluding Airlink, excluding NWA Cargo.

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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:06 pm

Northwest

Boeing 747-200
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 757-300
McD DC-9 all series
DC-10

Mesaba (Northwest Airlink)
Saab 340
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:27 pm

Once the A300 line is officially closed later this year, Iran Air's entire fleet will be made up of out-of-production aircraft: A300B2, A300B4, A300-605R, A310-203, A310-304, B747-100B, B747-200B, B747SP, F100, Tu154M.
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:26 pm

How about the USAF? They still have the B-52, B-1, B-2, KC-135, KC-10, C-5, E-4/VC-25, E-3/E-18, T-38, T-37, U-2, (can we count the C-130 even though the "J" model is still in production?).
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:06 pm

Cityjet (an AF Irish associate carrier) have a fleet of all B Ae 146's.

They are just commencing a replacement programme -

Replacing with ex Mesaba ARJ's.

Both current type and future type are out of production - how neat is that?
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:20 pm

When the A300/A310 production ends next year, Biman Bangladesh will have only aircraft all of which are out of production:

DC10
A310
F-28

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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 33):
How about the USAF? They still have the B-52, B-1, B-2, KC-135, KC-10, C-5, E-4/VC-25, E-3/E-18, T-38, T-37, U-2, (can we count the C-130 even though the "J" model is still in production?).

And that's just on the heavy side. Think about the fighters too! F-4, A-10, F-16 (not sure if they're still in production, thought they ended) F-117... The list goes on. I'm sure that if the F-16 is counted, the USAF has more of that out-of-production aircraft than any other airline's fleet combined!

But now that's just getting silly. I'm still with AA for the win!

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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 36):
And that's just on the heavy side. Think about the fighters too! F-4, A-10, F-16 (not sure if they're still in production, thought they ended)

The F-4 hasn't been in DoD service for a while. The F-16 is still being produced (and will be through at least 2010) but DoD only acquires them for attrition purposes these days.
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 23):
AA contiues to have the largest "out of production" fleet (448 aircraft)

Beech, All -

As of 06:00 CT 24Oct06, AA has the following counts in their ACTIVE fleet:

757 - 141 frames.
AB3 - 30 frames.
M80 - 302 frames.

I added the bold to emphasize that this is the current active, flying count and does not include a/c stored.

The counts for American Eagle as of 13:15CT 28Sep06 are:

AT7 - 41 frames. (Not sure if ATR are still rolling off the line??)
SF3 - 66 frames.

Beech, pretty close count on the AA fleet, excluding the Airbii! thumbsup 


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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Thunder9 (Reply 38):
SF3 - 66 frames

They may show 66 on the books but there are a ton sitting in ABI collecting dust.
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Thunder9 (Reply 38):
Beech, pretty close count on the AA fleet, excluding the Airbii!

Thanks... just going by the Airfleet.net. I have no personal connection to AA.

Isn't there still 1 or 2 A300's to come off the line? I thought i read that somewhere...
Anyone from Airbus chime in on that?
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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 39):
Quoting Thunder9 (Reply 38):
SF3 - 66 frames

They may show 66 on the books but there are a ton sitting in ABI collecting dust.

That is why I made sure that the word "active" was highlighted!  Smile

BTW, Eagle has 7 SF3 listed as Inactive, as of 28Sep06.

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RE: Out Of Production Airplanes- Who Has The Most?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 10):
How about percentage?

Not a major carrier but percentage wise you can't top YX, 100% (717s and MD 82/88 mainline 328Jet & B1900 YX Connect).