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Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:47 am

Neeleman will give a synopsis of the growth plan for 2007 at the cc tomorrow. On tap are 14 more cities for 2007. It will be interesting to see how this will unfold and just what focus cities will grow.

BOS, JFK, and MCO headline my list of stations that will receive the majority of growth. STL will probably be named the midwest hub as they try and connect the East with the West for the 190s. I believe most of the new 190 cities will consist of small to midsized markets along the East Coast and Midwest. Look for MCO to be the big growth catalyst.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:00 am

If they are going to open 14 new cities next year, when are they going to start connecting the dots more? I am hoping that they start connecting the dots out here on the west coast!? I travel to SMF/OAK every other month and would love to do that trip on B6, even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.

Can't wait for the webcast tomorrow, even though I have to go to class I do have a few breaks that I can listen in on.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:20 am

I think (and hope) that 2007 is finally the year FLL gets growig. They've wanted to expad there for ages, but have had trouble finding the space.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:35 am

Riddle me crazy.. but I am thinking the following are just snippets of what could possibly happen..

Opening of at least SAV, MCI, and ORF (why am I thinking OKC?)
STL mini-hub creation with flights to JFK, BOS, MCO, OAK
Additional destinations from CUN or SJU, MSY, RDU, CLT, CMH, OAK, AUS.. etc..
More international flights to MBJ, Cayman, YYZ or YUL, STT

Like I said.. call me crazy.. but that's what my 8-ball is showing me..
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:46 am

Can I hear MSP or FAR!?
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:51 am

I'm hoping for DAB-JFK, and SYR-FLL. As for new cities, I'd love to see STL on the map (and I'd love to see it be a BIG station, but we'll just have to wait and see).
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:58 am

At some point I expect B6 to launch flights from Atlantic City and or Trenton Mercer to serve both the Philadelphia and New Jersey markets, especially given the dominance and head start WN has in Philadelphia and the difficulty B6 has experienced at EWR.

Atlantic City and or Trenton Mercer gives B6 the ability to serve the New Jersey and Philadelphia markets without competing head to head with WN, US at PHL and CO at EWR.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
At some point I expect B6 to launch flights from Atlantic City and or Trenton Mercer

I don't see TTN happening-too many NIMBY's in Princeton, West Windsor, Yardley, etc.

ACY would be good as Spirit's fares are very high.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:05 am

I'm surprised about that number...14. I would have thought that next year would see more connecting of the dots. Oh well. Let's see how this plays out.

Can't wait for the cc tomorrow!

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
On tap are 14 more cities for 2007

What's the source for this? Also, why would groowth plans for 2007 be announced (to the public) in 3rd qtr. 2006?

IMO, 2007 will be a much quieter year than 2006. I think there will be a maximum of 10 new cities (although I may very well be wrong.) I just don't see where they can grow especially with the new T5 still being constructed. Once T5 opens, then therre will once again be a huge growth especially at JFK.

For 2007, I would say MSP, STL, ABQ and DAB. In terms of connecting the dots, maybe BUF-FLL, BOS-MSY, BOS-CLT, BOS-HOU.

Remember, not all growth means new cities or connecting the dots. I would say jetBlue has something up its sleeve regarding an international alliance with a foreign airline or 2 for interlining.

Also, from a VERY reliable source: look for the ability to view seat maps before purchase online (will first be introduced for TrueBlue members only)!!
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 8):
I'm surprised about that number...14. I would have thought that next year would see more connecting of the dots. Oh well. Let's see how this plays out.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if B6 has a static route map, or if an enthusiast has put one together? I can sorta get an idea of their network by playing around with their Flash map on their website, but I'd like to see the whole thing in one place, if such a beast exists.

Edit: Actually, nevermind, that may be a dumb question. Looking some more at the Flash route map, it looks like all their flights pass through one of the "key cities." Is this correct? For some reason, I was under the impression that B6 did more point-to-point flying.

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:01 am

Anyone think they'll pull out of PIT due to poor loads? Or will they try to promote the airline better there?
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 9):
What's the source for this? Also, why would groowth plans for 2007 be announced (to the public) in 3rd qtr. 2006?

Why do you need a source? My word is God.

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
On tap are 14 more cities for 2007

That seems like a lot to me. I'd expect considerably less than that but I am guessing.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 11):
Anyone think they'll pull out of PIT due to poor loads? Or will they try to promote the airline better there?

No and hopefully.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 9):
I just don't see where they can grow especially with the new T5 still being constructed. Once T5 opens, then therre will once again be a huge growth especially at JFK.

I think they have 21 gates now and can run up to 185 flts per day. Also, I believe they have use of 4 other gates for international arrivals.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:27 am

i hope they choose PVD!!!!!!!!!!  Smile
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:35 am

If they open up a mini-hub in STL, I could see them expanding into Ohio more, Illinois a little more and even Michigan (by bet would be on FNT if anywhere).
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 1):
even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.

I didn't know they were still doing that

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I think (and hope) that 2007 is finally the year FLL gets growig. They've wanted to expad there for ages, but have had trouble finding the space.

I thought you said they were supposed to be going to MIA?

Quoting N844AA (Reply 10):
Looking some more at the Flash route map, it looks like all their flights pass through one of the "key cities." Is this correct

Yep, exactly

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 12):
Why do you need a source? My word is God.

I think David Neelman claims the same thing

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 14):
I think they have 21 gates now and can run up to 185 flts per day.

They should up their gate utilization rate then.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I think (and hope) that 2007 is finally the year FLL gets growig. They've wanted to expad there for ages, but have had trouble finding the space.

I thought you said they were supposed to be going to MIA?

There most recent talks with MIA this past May did not produce anything. jetBlue doesn't want to pay the fees MIA is charging. I still think we'll see them at MIA, but not until they are in a a) situation where they "have to" to expand in SFL or b) MIA offers them a better financial incentive.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 1):
even though after 4 flights I get a free one on WN.

Thats through the college program right?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

I didn't know they were still doing that

Yep! I am also getting the same deal.

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:47 am

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:57 am

still my hopes are high for PVD
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 21):
still my hopes are high for PVD

For PVD, I could see JFK and possibly IAD..

what does PVD have for gatespace? I dont think they have any open gates do they? They could probably share with Spirit/Delta.. maybe not.. hmm.. Ponder with me about this one...
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:19 am

well PVD does have an AA gate open because in 04' they pulled out all their mainline fleet and stuck 2 eagle flights in instead. so basically the AA gate is empty for most of the day and the Spirit gate is empty for most of the day having also 2 flights a day. So there are two gates free they could also share a gate with CO they don't come frequently but more frequently than AA or Spirit. I think they'll have the most luck with AA or Spirt though and as part of the FAA's plan to spruce up New England airports they plan on extending the south side of the terminal which is the us airways side.


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The 2 gates on the right are the 2 AA gates they use 2 times a day.

The Delta/Spirit gates are the 3 on the left the spirit gate which is also used 2 times a day is the one on the far left. also the 2 next to the spirit gate are the DA gates which can be shared with B6 because the most DA planes there at a time are 1.

So there are 3 gates which is probably plenty considering they only got 4 at ORD
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:23 am

I don't think Delta nor American would want to share any gate space with jetBlue.. color me crazy, but somehow I don't see that marriage working.. it sounds more like a Johnny Cochrane case to me.. cause someone would try to commit murder before that happens.. Next??
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:38 am

i could understand DA not taking to the idea but AA they have three EAGLE flight's into PVD a day (not 2 sorry) 1 at 7:40 A.M. another at 12:15 P.M. and the final one at 6:40 P.M. the morning flight sits overnight probably in Hardstand parking i think its called and the 12:15 flight arrives into PVD at 10:06 and the 6:40 flight arrives into PVD at 6:15. So basically they spend 45 minutes at each flight except the morning flight. So they use there 2 gates for probably an hour and a half each day so during that time B6 could be having flights coming in. I don't think they will have a problem with it unless B6 decides to offer flights to ORD from PVD. B6 could generate a lot of income if they flew into PVD.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:46 am

Is there a definitive number of new airframes coming in 2007?
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:20 am

well im still hopping PVD can make it, bit obviously we all know at least one that is going to be on there.....ORD
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
jetBlue doesn't want to pay the fees MIA is charging.

Yet they are going through all this crap at ORD?

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 23):
So there are 3 gates which is probably plenty considering they only got 4 at ORD

They don't have 4 gates at ORD. If they had 4 gates, they could run 35-40 flights. They go 4 SLOTS, which means 1 gate
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:06 am

I hope OMA is on the list for '07. Heck, I'll be hapy whenever we get a new airline.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
No and hopefully.

I hope they continue to fly that as well. The people of the great city of Pittsburgh should embrace that airline. In order for people to embrace it, they should know about the carrier - through advertisements... Bilboards!!! Commercials!!! Newspaper travel ads!!! HELLOOOO!!!

Southwest was all over the place when they came into PIT: "Fly non-stop to PHL and MDW for as low as $29 one way, as low as $79 to MCO and $99 to LAS." Err... something of the type. Then, they entered PHX and TPA a few months later. When I flew to PHL on WN back in Dec of last year, I saw a bilboard along the highway saying, "Fly Southwest to PHX for as low as $99."

Jetblue Airways, where are your ads????
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
jetBlue doesn't want to pay the fees MIA is charging.

Yet they are going through all this crap at ORD?

Well, ORD doesn't charge close to $16 per passenger like MIA does. Though I agree, they are wasting their time with O'Hare, especially when all they are going to fly is four daily flights.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
Well, ORD doesn't charge close to $16 per passenger like MIA does. Though I agree, they are wasting their time with O'Hare, especially when all they are going to fly is four daily flights.

I just don't see what their deal with ORD is, when they can fly into MDW, especially considering the pull down of the legacies there. Further, if MIA charges $16, so what? Just pass the cost on if they don't want to keep screwing around at FLL. Besides, the higher yielding nature of MIA should help them out with that.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
Jetblue Airways, where are your ads????

TV? B6 relies on a lot of word of mouth
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):

I just don't see what their deal with ORD is, when they can fly into MDW, especially considering the pull down of the legacies there.

Agreed. Plus, Midway is a far easier airport to use and much closer to downtown. As someone currently living in Chicago, I despise O'Hare. The only reason I fly there is use ORD is because of the current lack of non-stops to Miami. Thanks to airTran though, that will be changing.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Further, if MIA charges $16, so what? Just pass the cost on if they don't want to keep screwing around at FLL. Besides, the higher yielding nature of MIA should help them out with that.

Agreed, but unfortunately airline economics aren't as easy as that. If airlines could just make it up that easily, then MIA would have as much lowfare service as FLL does.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
TV? B6 relies on a lot of word of mouth

I guess the word of mouth isn't spreading very well in and around the Steel City. In Pittsburgh, there are tv commercials about making tv commercials to boost business. If they rely heavily on word of mouth, then I guess it's time Pittsburghers find a new medium. I would love to see B6 run an E90 to IAD, but if they should add ANY service, even more frequencies into JFK or BOS, then the loads have to come up DRASTICLY...
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
On tap are 14 more cities for 2007.

WHAT?!? Ummm... so much for getting the crew per plane down.  Sad I do hope some is via partnerships.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):

Jetblue Airways, where are your ads????

Jetblue did well via "word of mouth." But I think its time for more ads. But that's just my  twocents .

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 35):
But I think its time for more ads.

No arguments from this corner  Smile
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 26):
Is there a definitive number of new airframes coming in 2007?

I think the planes will be coming in at a steady rate by then, or if not, they have worked out a plan for the new arrivals, it is somewhere in the reports. Plus the E190's have been coming in regular and will continue that way, it was just the 320's they were delaying a bit now to relieve pressure now.

I hope for:
1)DAB
2)STT
3)MBJ
4)SXM
5)STL
6)DTW or FNT
7)GRR
8)IND
9)MYR
10)ABQ
11)SAV
12)ALB
13)MSP
14)MCI

Also I want to see more connecting of Upstate NY-Florida and for MCO to get a lot bigger. But I've wanted to see FLL-Caribbean for the longest time too.

Someone mentioned on here sometime last week or so that one of the new route planners or someone to that effect is interested in the Caribbean a lot, so hopefully that is where they connect a good amount of the dots to as well.

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 12):
Why do you need a source? My word is God.

"Even God can't hit a one iron" - Lee Trevino.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, in this business, I'll believe it when I see it.

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Agreed, but unfortunately airline economics aren't as easy as that. If airlines could just make it up that easily, then MIA would have as much lowfare service as FLL does.

The thing is, airline economics are that easy, but jetBlue does the most piss poor job of revenue management you can find. Look how quietly and easily WN increased fares to make up for oil prices, and that wasn't even something they could hide as a tax.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Plus, Midway is a far easier airport to use and much closer to downtown.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Midway's security area is an absolute joke. There is no way it should take an hour to get through a security line. Further, they are equally connected to downtown.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
There is no way it should take an hour to get through a security line. Further, they are equally connected to downtown.

It never has for me. I show up, check in for my WN flight go through security in 5 min or less.

I thought MDW was IN Downtown and ORD was 40 min from downtown chicago?

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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:40 am

What about MKE?? We really could use another carrier here. I know
MKE officials have been drooling to get WN here and I know there was talk about Jet Blue heading to MKE.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:05 pm

B6 should add SAT. SAT-JFK, SAT-FLL, SAT-OAK and SAT-BOS would be great additions.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 35):
Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
On tap are 14 more cities for 2007.

WHAT?!? Ummm... so much for getting the crew per plane down. I do hope some is via partnerships.

The more I read the article that I posted, the more I think the author may be confusing her info with current 2006 new stations. Since we don't have an actual quote from Jetblue, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to get a hint for 2007.

Here's an interesting quote from an analyst at Credit Suisse tonight about the future: -"Daniel McKenzie, an analyst for Credit Suisse, said JetBlue is "growing too fast in too many new markets given current fuel prices."

"JetBlue is skinning its knees on $39 to $79 intro fares," the analyst wrote in a recent report. "In our view, the carrier's earnings are not strong enough to support current 2007 (and onwards) growth plans."

I respect Mr. McKenzie's thoughts, but that certainly is not the case for some new markets. I would bet Jetblue has received subsidy assistance from better than half the new markets they entered this year, and if they plan to add more small/med size stations, more subsidization will be on the table.
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
Well, I wouldn't go that far. Midway's security area is an absolute joke. There is no way it should take an hour to get through a security line. Further, they are equally connected to downtown.

I've never waited more than 20 minutes for secuirty at Midway, and that has always been during the holiday periods.

Downtown Chicago to Midway, depending on traffic, can take 20-40 minutes. Downtown Chicago to O'Hare, depending on traffic, takes 45-120 minutes.

Last time I flew into O'Hare on an average Friday afternoon during rush hour, my drive to downtown took two hours, and my driver said that was average nowadays, especially with all the construction on the major highways that has made commuting in this city a nightmare.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:28 pm

Interesting, my guess are:

1.) SAT.
2.) PVD.
3.) CLE/CAK.
4.) MSP.
5.) STL.
6.) MYR.
7.) IND.
8.) DTW.
9.) DAB.
10.) SXM.
11.) ALB.
12.) YVR.
13.) YYZ.
14.) MCI.

Maybe an attempt to DAL/DFW?
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 45):

Maybe an attempt to DAL/DFW?

They prefer DAL over DFW, but they do indeed really want to go into the Dallas Market - without going directly against AA at DFW. Thanks to WN with their gate LIMIT at DAL, it looks like them coming into DAL seems unlikely, but that's just me. Watch, they'll push for DAL service to JFK, BOS, and/or IAD, they will become supremely vocal, a massive dispute will erupt, it will be like another W.A. bash situation pretty much... How badly does B6 want to enter DAL?
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I thought you said they were supposed to be going to MIA?

I have a very good feeling MIA is in the cards early next year.  Smile

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 9):
I just don't see where they can grow especially with the new T5 still being constructed

T6 is at capacity, however keep in mind that they have moved all SJU flights to T4 and I can see them moving all Caribbean flights to T4 if necessary.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
There most recent talks with MIA this past May did not produce anything. jetBlue doesn't want to pay the fees MIA is charging. I still think we'll see them at MIA, but not until they are in a a) situation where they "have to" to expand in SFL or b) MIA offers them a better financial incentive.

 checkmark  I agree...B6 wants to expand at FLL and does not want to pay the higher fees associated with operating out of MIA, but if they can't acquire the additional space at FLL they will have to consider MIA for future growth.
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:55 pm

I could see MSP, but wouldn't the competition get pretty rough? Northwest, Continental and Sun Country serve the NY area (CO/NW EWR, NW/SCX JFK, NW LGA).
 
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RE: Jetblue To LAY Out Growth For 2007 Tomorrow

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 43):
I would bet Jetblue has received subsidy assistance from better than half the new markets they entered this year, and if they plan to add more small/med size stations, more subsidization will be on the table.

Nothing wrong with that. FL seems to be really good at it. But I'd rather they spend time focusing on fundamentals. (Like the plan to get down to 70 crew/aircraft. They should be down to 80 by EOY.) Oh, I understand B6 needs new cities to create the "buzz" that is their main advertising campaign. But 14? I hope that's either a misquote or some dea where a partner helps them connect via thier hub.

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