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American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:55 pm

I was wondering, ive heard that the loads on AA out of TUS have been very high this year and i was wondering if maybe they could bring a bigger plane to TUS for one of the Dallas flights. Not that i don't like the MD-80's but it just seems that they might be able to upgrade one of the flights and still be profitable on the route.

Any opinions?
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:07 pm

Welcome to A.net, RedTailDTW! I'd love to see something other that MD80s here at TUS, but I'm not holding my breath. To see a significant increase in seat number, I guess they'd have to go up to a 752 and that seems pretty large for a market like TUS.
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:14 pm

Well i remember in 2002 i took a plane larger than an MD80 from Dallas to TUS but i cant remember what it was, i do remember that it had TV's on it, it could have been a replacement aircraft.
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:26 pm

One of the issues with AA Tucson service is the station has a high percentage of non-revenue travellers as the city host AA's 2nd largest reservation center after DFW.

So a good deal of the travellers you might see are AA employees, family or friends on passes which inflates boarding totals while not truly providing revenue.
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:08 pm

AA had 757's here a few years ago. I remember calling for seats and they seemed to always have plenty with that aircraft...so maybe the capacity was a bit too large.

Their loads are quite good now though...however they usually have seats available if we call for some. Not alot..usually around 10-15 or so per flight.
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:33 pm

How about this...Dec.,1978...AA flt.37..Non. Stop..TUS-JFK..10:00am-428pm..707.LuxuryJet !!With Astro-Stereo (My. Goodness).and full course Hot meals in Y..The good old days..
 
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:53 pm

or this...also Dec.1978...from TUS... N.S.707s..to SAN...PSP...and 2x.daily to PHX..
 
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:05 pm

What is DFW-TUS currently at, 6x daily? If there is demand for additional seats AA could seemingly toss another MD-80 on that flight and be done with it.

Obviously AA has run the 757 to TUS in the past. I remember back in 2000 taking an evening flight on AA back to Tucson on the 757. IIRC it was a 7pm departure. Most likely remained overnight and did the first flight out the following morning.
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:13 pm

DFW-TUS is currently 8x Daily
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:16 pm

AA@ TUS March 2,1973 Departures
TUS-ORD:
8:00A-DC-10
3:10P-DC-10

TUS-DFW:
9:40A-707
1:10P-707
2:25P-727

TUS-ELP:
11:05A-707

TUS-LAX:
5:15P-DC-10

TUS-PSP:
7:05P-707

TUS-PHX:
7:45A-727
9:00A-707
11:40A-707
12:40P-DC-10
12:15A-DC-10

TUS-SFO:
4:25P-707

14 daily departures, including 5 DC-10s!!
 
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:34 pm

A DC-10 between PHX and TUS? That must have been some flight!!!
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Legion242 (Reply 10):
A DC-10 between PHX and TUS? That must have been some flight!!!

The TUS-PHX DC-10's continued on to JFK,ORD,etc...
 
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RE: American At TUS

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:57 pm

I've been on AA 757's out of Tucson several times, during the 2000-2003 time range, and the loads always seemed quite good. Probably these were during the winter months- I'm not sure- but TUS has always seemed to serve AA quite well.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 11):
Quoting Legion242 (Reply 10):
A DC-10 between PHX and TUS? That must have been some flight!!!

The TUS-PHX DC-10's continued on to JFK,ORD,etc...

Yeah, I figured. It still is a funny route for a wide body.
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RE: American At TUS

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Legion242 (Reply 13):
Yeah, I figured. It still is a funny route for a wide body.

TUS-PSP DC-10 was even stranger!! PSP had as many as 3 DC-10's a day at one time.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:54 pm

TUS even had 762s with AA for a short period of time from DFW. I remember flying in business class from DFW on the last flight into TUS and also distinctly being disappointed on sitting in the middle section of the 762 from TUS to DFW in the morning some weeks later on another trip....that was like that late 80s some time.

AA had the tendency to run atleast one 757 to DFW during the winter months into TUS (and at one point to ORD as well). However, over the last couple years, I have not noticed this as much.

AA has been very devoted to TUS. They have served Tucson for almost 90 years, continuously (since 1927). They started flying to what is now Davis-Monthan AFB, when commericial and military shared the existing runway there. In fact, if I am not mistaken, the lonely hangar on the NW part of DMAFB (still there today), seen from Golf Links Road near the turn off to Alvernon was the "terminal" where AA served initially way back in the day. The current airport at TUS built around 1940 when the military build up warranted the need for a new airport.
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RE: American At TUS

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:25 am

During the Braniff years both AA and Braniff had service to St. Louis.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 9):
AA@ TUS March 2,1973 Departures
TUS-ORD:
8:00A-DC-10
3:10P-DC-10

Wow, I grew up there and never knew AA brought DC10s through TUS at all, and 1973 was well before jetbridges at TUS. I do recall as late as 1979 flying 707s to ORD that originated in Palm Springs, and of course 727s to both DAL and DFW from 67 on.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:04 pm

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And two DC-10 incidents here at TUS within days of each other. The first is the inflight separation of the right Air Conditioning door and the second is a tailstrike on landing two days later in a different aircraft.

There are some pics in an Airliners Magazine at my house from an article they did about TUS and one pic has 2 DC-10s in it I think. I may not be going home this weekend so I probably won't get them.

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=86141&key=0#
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=86146&key=0

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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:51 am

AA has always been pretty strong here in TUS. I think a lot of Tucsonians are loyal to AA. AA has rewarded TUS by only sending mainline. I don't think an American Eagle AC has ever touched down in TUS.

I remember being on an AA 737 of some kind to ORD in about 2000. I don't know if it was a sub or not.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 19):
AA has rewarded TUS by only sending mainline.

Not to mention the thousands of jobs AA provides at its enormous Southwestern Reservations Office (SWRO) in Tucson.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 18):
And because it is big, was new, and in TUS:


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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:45 pm

I believe that was before entry into service and was here for hot-and-high testing. Looking at the weather history for that day it was 87 F instead of the normal 71 F. Pretty warm for the beginning of March.
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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:01 pm

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 19):
I don't think an American Eagle AC has ever touched down in TUS.

American Eagle flew SNA-TUS with the SAAB 340's in the early 90's. Didn't last too long, maybe a year or less.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 23):
American Eagle flew SNA-TUS with the SAAB 340's in the early 90's. Didn't last too long, maybe a year or less.

I think the service was actually to PSP, and not SNA. The SNA service was provided by DL at some point in the mid-90s with regional jets, but that too was shortlived......They parked the 340s where the recently added third WN gate was put......

Also, the first CO 757 with winglets was tested here in Tucson in March of 2005 (which, was this the first wingletted 757 period?). It was cool to see them doing flight tests.

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 19):
AA has rewarded TUS by only sending mainline.

I find it still amazing that they only send mainline to TUS, which is fine by me. Its interesting since even a city like MSP sees CRJs on AE from DFW, and that's a bigger city with even a longer flight......
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RE: American At TUS

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 24):
The SNA service was provided by DL at some point in the mid-90s with regional jets, but that too was shortlived

CO also flew to SNA with 737's..but didn't last long either. I think US should fly that route, we have so many people travelling to Orange County everyday...usually at least 50....I would think 1 CR9 flight would do quite well.

AA could probably fly to DFW with the ERJ...though CO does but they use mostly the XRJ because of the extra engine boost needed in the summer time. We have gotten regular ERJ's but only when it's cooler out.
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RE: American At TUS

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 19):
AA has always been pretty strong here in TUS. I think a lot of Tucsonians are loyal to AA. AA has rewarded TUS by only sending mainline. I don't think an American Eagle AC has ever touched down in TUS.

Did they ever send CV-990's to the Old Pueblo?
 
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RE: American At TUS

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 25):
AA could probably fly to DFW with the ERJ

I think a better choice would be 2x daily service to LAX with AE. AA and OneWorld have a large base there, but no service to TUS or PHX. If they scheduled the flights right, they would have them arrive for the Australia, Asia, South America, and Mexico flights. Tickets could be bought at one website and you would not have to switch airlines. I think LAX-TUS/PHX would be an important addition to AA's network.

To note: Currently TUS has 10 daily flights to LAX and PHX has 32.
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RE: American At TUS

Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 23):

American Eagle flew SNA-TUS with the SAAB 340's in the early 90's. Didn't last too long, maybe a year or less.

Thats news to me. I'm always amazed at how much stuff A.netters know about every obscure topic.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 27):

I think a better choice would be 2x daily service to LAX with AE. AA and OneWorld have a large base there, but no service to TUS or PHX. If they scheduled the flights right, they would have them arrive for the Australia, Asia, South America, and Mexico flights.

I agree. Whenever I go to Melbourne to visit family I have to go on WN from TUS to LAX. This means I have to recheck my bag in LAX both ways, and hike the 300 miles from the WN terminal to the Tom Bradley Terminal with all my bags. You could always go TUS-DFW-LAX-MEL I guess, if you don't mind the extra 1600 miles of flying.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:58 pm

Hi All,
Well someone might find this interesting:
Imagine this: As a teenager in 1974, my friend and I wanted to go from TUS to PHX to spend the day airplane watching at Sky Harbor. We both used our Youth Fare Cards and flew to PHX for $11 each, standby, one way. We chose the new AA DC-10 (which continued on to JFK) to PHX, only 9 passengers on-board for the 35 min flight; PHX airspace was congested that day and we circled PHX for another 45 minutes, which delighted us to no end.
Ended up returning that night to TUS on Hughes Airwest DC9-30, which was very nice also. Had a great day of airplane watching. Loved those RW Yellow airplanes too!!
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RE: American At TUS

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:41 pm

Note to Smokescreen:
YES ! I have a postcard of TUS from the early 70's, showing an AA Convair 990 and a Frontier Convair 580 at the terminal.
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting ATAflyer (Reply 29):
Ended up returning that night to TUS on Hughes Airwest DC9-30, which was very nice also. Had a great day of airplane watching. Loved those RW Yellow airplanes too!!

Oh yeah, those were the good 'ole days, you could get down to the gates for spotting too, except IIRC not at the old terminal one in PHX due to the cramped space. I made a spotting trip once TUS-PHX on Cochise airlines Convair 580 (I think it was) and back on an EA A300, the return trip was the better of the two as you can imagine) and also made countless business trips up and back on Airwest DC-9s and 727s. Great memories...
 
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 15):
the lonely hangar on the NW part of DMAFB (still there today), seen from Golf Links Road near the turn off to Alvernon was the "terminal" where AA served initially way back in the day

It was not. For some reason that myth has lived on in Tucson lore for may years. The terminal was on the east side of the North-South runway which is long gone though some of the tarmac still exists.

Oh yes. The only 3 jetliners in AA history that never operated a revenue flight to TUS are the DC-8, 777 and 146, though I've seen all 3 here.
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 27):
I think a better choice would be 2x daily service to LAX with AE

PHX would get LAX service before TUS would.

AA doesn't fly anwhere west of TUS or PHX. If a western destination were to come, PHX would get it first.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 33):
PHX would get LAX service before TUS would.

AA doesn't fly anwhere west of TUS or PHX. If a western destination were to come, PHX would get it first.

I know that. AA probably should serve both if they think they can get passengers away from the other carriers. Back in 2002 AE served PHX, but I don't know from where.


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Quoting Imisspiedmont (Reply 32):
Oh yes. The only 3 jetliners in AA history that never operated a revenue flight to TUS are the DC-8, 777 and 146, though I've seen all 3 here.

So the 767's and A300's have been here? I'd figure a 738's and F100's came in as subs but those other two I don't know about. You seem to have been associated with TUS longer than I have so your knowledge is more credible.
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 26):
Did they ever send CV-990's to the Old Pueblo?

Yes, plenty of them during the 60's.

Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 24):
think the service was actually to PSP, and not SNA

The SAAB's did SNA-TUS for a short time. TUS-PSP was always mainline,DC-10,707,727-023/223's at one time or another. The DFW-TUS-PSP tag ended quite a while ago, late 80's.

Quoting Imisspiedmont (Reply 32):
Oh yes. The only 3 jetliners in AA history that never operated a revenue flight to TUS are the DC-8, 777 and 146, though I've seen all 3 here.

Nor did the BAC-111's, A300's, 747-SP and a few more. The 747-123's use to come in on charters once in a while.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 34):
I know that. AA probably should serve both if they think they can get passengers away from the other carriers. Back in 2002 AE served PHX, but I don't know from where.

In 2000 American started LAX-PHX and SJC-PHX on MD80's. After 9/11 it was downsized to the RJ's, then quietly cut sometime in later 2002 or early 2003 if I remember right.
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RE: American At TUS

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting ATAflyer (Reply 30):
Note to Smokescreen:
YES ! I have a postcard of TUS from the early 70's, showing an AA Convair 990 and a Frontier Convair 580 at the terminal.

That's great to know! I love those "Coronados" (I know, that's SR's name) and it's nice to know they were visitors here.
 
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RE: American At TUS

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:55 pm

Hey Smokescreen and Socalfive,
We have a lot in common. I also did the same TUS-PHX-TUS trip with my brother, we took seperate flights both directions, spent the day at Sky Harbor watching planes, and doing the cheap Youth Standby fares. I went up on AA 707, he went up on TWA 707 1 hour later. Remember terminal 2 in PHX? They had an observation deck most of the length of the terminal, overlooking the WA and RW gates. Way Cool!
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RE: American At TUS

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 27):
I think a better choice would be 2x daily service to LAX with AE

Amen to that! I would love it if AA restarted some of the service that Reno Air used to provide. But, it will be hard to compete with WN and their massive amount of flights to the Los Angeles/San Diego area.

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 28):
Whenever I go to Melbourne to visit family I have to go on WN from TUS to LAX

I hear you... I just flew TUS-DFW-NRT-SYD to avoid WN, the hassle of TBIT, and the cramped QF 744s. Oh yeah, I also saved a few hundred bucks in the process  Smile

Maybe one day soon QF or AA will offer DFW-SYD, as discussed extensively in the forum!
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