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AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:25 am

Is there any news for Amsterdam Schiphol for the coming summer timetable?

Thanks.
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:28 am

We're still IN the summer timetable - relax  Smile
LIM is supossed to go non-stop with the 772 and I hope we see the 77W somewhere next year.
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:32 am

HB-IWC had a few excellent threads on changes at KL:
KLM Longhaul Changes: 10 Weekly LAX And Others (by HB-IWC Sep 13 2006 in Civil Aviation) KL/NW New Early Morning Transatlantic Departures (by HB-IWC Oct 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:48 am

Here is a short overview again of the most remarkable changes:

KLM - YYZ - increase from daily to 12 weekly, additional flights with B772
KLM - YVR - switch from A332 to MD11
KLM - JFK - increase from twice to three times daily, introduction of A332
KLM - EWR - operated by MD11 and later A332
KLM - IAD - daily flight operated with B772 from July
KLM - LAX - increase from daily to 12 weekly, additional flights with B772
KLM - SFO - switch from MD11 to B744
KLM - LIM - introduction of 6 weekly nonstops with B772
KLM - GYE/UIO - introduction of 6th weekly frequency via BON with MD11
KLM - CUR - aircraft change to daily nonstop with MD11
KLM - NBO - switch from B772 to B744
KLM - DXB - reduced to 10 weekly
KLM - HYD - increase to 5 weekly with MD11
KLM - SIN - aircraft change to B772
KLM - PVG - increase from daily to 9 weekly with B74E, already this winter
KLM - CTU - increase from twice weekly to 3 times weekly

NW - BOS - additional daily flight with B752
NW - BDL - new daily flight with B752
NW - DTW - increase to 5 daily, additional flight with B752
NW - EWR - introduction of daily morning departure with B752
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:58 am

One of my collegues (I think his name is Eep or Eepie) told me that Emirates is going to fly DXB > AMS > ORD and back with a T7! Also I believe that TNT will expand in AMS.

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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
Lijnden

Believe it when I see it, unless he meant a 772F  Silly
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:30 am

EK wants to fly to ORD, but AMS is one of the stopover options as well as DUS, so I guess it will be DUS.............  Sad It's about time they came to AMS. That would be a nice topic wouldn't it. Why no EK flights to AMS ?  Confused
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:25 am

Maybe KLM lobbying AMS against EK, and blocking EK out of AMS may have something to do with it?
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 6):
It's about time they came to AMS.

It's a conflict that has been going on for years. The sum was, IIRC, that AMS is charging through-the-roof fees. In part because of KL pressure, in part because they're not willing to play on EK's terms, like all those German airports.
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:12 am

Rumor is out that Tarom Romanian is planing a comeback @ Schiphol next summer, perhaps using one of its two brand spanking new Airbus 318 - scheduled for delivery this November. Since KLM is currently flying three dailies between OTP and AMS, Tarom may consider Timisoara to Amsterdam as a viable alternate route.

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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
One of my collegues (I think his name is Eep or Eepie) told me that Emirates is going to fly DXB > AMS > ORD and back with a T7! Also I believe that TNT will expand in AMS

I thought EK would rather fly DXB - ORD nonstop.
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:08 pm

I was wondering. Why are airliners, such as, Emirates, Air India, jet Airways, Etihad, Saudia, South African, Thai, Qantas, All Nippon, Asiana, American Airlines etc etc, not have passengersflights to Schiphol. Is there al slot problem or is the KLM the one who blocks them. Amsterdam Airport is one of the biggest airports in Europe and some of these airliners prefer Brussels the last months. Is that something to do that brussels is cheaper.

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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10):
I thought EK would rather fly DXB - ORD nonstop.

Well, there is also the possibility of EK flying to ORD through either DUS or HAM. AMS is probably unlikely at the moment.

I see CTU has gotten an upgrade in frequency. How's the flight doing in terms of profitability?
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:57 pm

I just started a thread about TG's plans to start nonstop flight to AMS with the A346 which was rumoured for March 2007. What is the latest news on this?

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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Phbug (Reply 11):
I was wondering. Why are airliners, such as, Emirates, Air India, jet Airways, Etihad, Saudia, South African, Thai, Qantas, All Nippon, Asiana, American Airlines etc etc, not have passengersflights to Schiphol. Is there al slot problem or is the KLM the one who blocks them.

I can't answer your question totally, but first of all, KLM cannot block any airline from flying to AMS. An airlines request to fly to AMS is handled independently. Of course there has to be room for slots, when requested.

Keep in mind that AMS is not a strong O/D destination. As you probably know Schiphol is, and is designed as a transfer airport. Many of the airlines you mentioned are not member of SKYteam and have no intention or possibilities to use it as a hub.

Some of the airlines you mentioned used to fly to AMS with low frequencies, such as 2 or 3 times per week. Todays intl. carriers are only interested in daily frequencies and this is not profitable for many.

I also wish AA, Thai, SAA and so on would come to AMS and I don' t understand it all the time, but I think this is part of the reason.
 
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RE: AMS Summer 2007 News?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 14):
Todays intl. carriers are only interested in daily frequencies and this is not profitable for many.

I would disagree on this as even KL doesn't offer daily flights to all its intercontinental flights. Daily frequencies are not common at all with todays airlines. U.S. airlines were known to have a daily frequency policy on their international flights but even those airlines now adapt the frequencies to the market demand. Especially with today's aviation shape and economical shape offering daily frequencies alone would not be a responsible thing to do. Between key cities a daily frequency is more attractive but other than that, it doesn't have to.

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