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Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:07 am

I just read in our local newspaper (amigoe.com) that Caribbean Star Airlines will start flights from POS to CUR starting this december. The airline will have one daily flight to CUR which arrives in CUR at 11:45AM with departure back to POS one hour later. Flights will be operated with the Dash-8 (-200 or -300 series?). That must be an awful trip on such a long distance for the Dash-8.

So I guess this means Caribbean Airlines will not start CUR flights? Two airlines on this route is overkill I think. Keeping my fingers crossed....

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
I just read in our local newspaper (amigoe.com) that Caribbean Star Airlines will start flights from POS to CUR starting this december. The airline will have one daily flight to CUR which arrives in CUR at 11:45AM with departure back to POS one hour later. Flights will be operated with the Dash-8 (-200 or -300 series?). That must be an awful trip on such a long distance for the Dash-8.

So I guess this means Caribbean Airlines will not start CUR flights? Two airlines on this route is overkill I think. Keeping my fingers crossed....

A388

I don't think it will be that bad. How long is a prop flight from POS/CUR? Whatsmore Caribbean Star recently acquired 3 Q Series -300s, and birds are remarkably quieter, on takeoff and even moreso at cruise. So in terms of comfort you will be fine. But how long is the flight?
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 1):
I don't think it will be that bad. How long is a prop flight from POS/CUR? Whatsmore Caribbean Star recently acquired 3 Q Series -300s, and birds are remarkably quieter, on takeoff and even moreso at cruise. So in terms of comfort you will be fine. But how long is the flight?

Hey Captaink, how are you doing? I was expecting a reply from either you or AA1818 or BW772 as the specialists in this region of the Caribbean  Smile

As far as I can remember when LM/K8 operated CUR-POS the flight was about 1 hour 30 minutes using an MD82 so if the Dash-8 is used that will most likely be a two and a half hour flight on a turboprop. As quiet as these turboprop aircraft might be I still prefer the comform and speed of a jet aircraft over the smaller and slower turboprop aircraft on these type of routes  Smile

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
As far as I can remember when LM/K8 operated CUR-POS the flight was about 1 hour 30 minutes using an MD82 so if the Dash-8 is used that will most likely be a two and a half hour flight on a turboprop. As quiet as these turboprop aircraft might be I still prefer the comform and speed of a jet aircraft over the smaller and slower turboprop aircraft on these type of routes Smile

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Yeah it will be a 2.5 hour flight more or less. YOu are correct, jet flights are more comfortable, but at times it is better to have any flight than none. Whats more look at it this way. American Eagle, does extremly long flights like SJU/POS 3 hours, SJU/GND 2.5 on those absolutely loud and uncomfortable ATRs. Flying a Dash Q Series is a blessing trust me. And depending on how the routes, and the inevitable expansion of Star (EMBs etc..) who knows what CUR might be seeing soon. Big grin
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
I just read in our local newspaper (amigoe.com) that Caribbean Star Airlines will start flights from POS to CUR starting this december

Brilliant in terms of linking these two islands!!!

Quoting Captaink (Reply 1):
Whatsmore Caribbean Star recently acquired 3 Q Series -300s, and birds are remarkably quieter, on takeoff and even moreso at cruise. So in terms of comfort you will be fine.

Caribbean Star has operated many more than 3 Dash8 Q300s and as far as I know does not operate any Dash-200 series. In fact, Caribbean Star is predominantly a -300 series operator while Caribbean Sun I believe is an exclusive or majority dash-100 series operator.

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
As far as I can remember when LM/K8 operated CUR-POS the flight was about 1 hour 30 minutes using an MD82 so if the Dash-8 is used that will most likely be a two and a half hour flight on a turboprop.

Perhaps 2 hours might be a good estimate. I think the Dash-8 Q300s and -400s have an almost jet like cruising speed. For instance, POS-BGI on a dash-8 Q300 is only about 1 hr 15 mins, compared with 1 hours in a jet. (these are estimates)

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airli

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
Caribbean Star has operated many more than 3 Dash8 Q300s and as far as I know does not operate any Dash-200 series. In fact, Caribbean Star is predominantly a -300 series operator while Caribbean Sun I believe is an exclusive or majority dash-100 series operator.

From what I know, the last couple Dash 8's, 3 or 4 cant remember for sure, were Q300s. The others weren't.

I mean, I am 90% sure, as I can say I intimately knew their fleet, up to June 2005, when I left GND and the airport. We handled about 7 -8 Star flights a day. (V2-LGD was the last Dash 8, that was delivered before I left.)

And if I am correct they did not order new aircraft, until that special livery one (Cricket something), and those aircraft were Q series as they made a big deal out of it.

YOu are correct though, they fly primarily the 300 as many of the 100s were retired or transferred to Sun even before I left in 2005.

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:08 pm

So where does all this leave Caribbean Airlines's plans to start POS-CUR flights? Now that Caribbean Star will start this route, will Caribbean Airlines still start CUR flights as well? I really hope so....

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:00 pm

An interesting development. In spite of the longer sector times that the turboprop entails, it is perhaps the best aircraft for the route in terms of capacity. A daily flight makes perfect sense as it enables business and leisure visitors to obtain good flexibility in their travel plans.

Best of luck to Caribbean Star for this new route. As for Caribbean Airlines, somehow they may decide against flying to CUR as Surinam Airways also offers CUR from POS - 3 airlines are too many for this route.

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:50 pm

I'm also afraid Caribbean Airlines will decide not to fly the POS-CUR anymore now that Caribbean Star will start a daily flight  Sad This means I will have to go to either SXM or MIA to photograph Caribbean Airlines! More expensive!  Sad

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
This means I will have to go to either SXM

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 9):
You have my deepest symphaty

Haha hey Kas, how's life. Long time no see here. I don't mind going to SXM but it is just soo very expensive to go there that's why I can't go to SXM for the time being. I would prefer going to MIA for a bit more money instead of SXM, it's just too expensive.

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:53 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
So where does all this leave Caribbean Airlines's plans to start POS-CUR flights? Now that Caribbean Star will start this route, will Caribbean Airlines still start CUR flights as well? I really hope so....

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Well, it certainly does change the dynamic of the route for Peter Davies! Since no firm decisions as to new routes have been announced by Caribbean Airlines, I'm assuming this might make POS-CUR launch by 'CA' less likely given the new competition. The route was probably much more lucrative when there was less competition. There may be possibilities yet as there may be demand for cargo on the route that a 737 would need, and perhaps pax flights with a 737, perhaps 2x weekly???

What I do see as interesting is that this is what I was thinking for a long time. 8B is going to emphasize POS more and more since it lies so far south and can provide possibilities for operating POS-CCS, and also other smaller markets in south America with its dash8's like Margherita. Does 8B fly to Suriname??

Also- any idea is Caribbean Sun will be reabsorbed into Caribbean Star now that the Eastern Caribbean is back to Cat 1??????

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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):

What I do see as interesting is that this is what I was thinking for a long time. 8B is going to emphasize POS more and more since it lies so far south and can provide possibilities for operating POS-CCS, and also other smaller markets in south America with its dash8's like Margherita. Does 8B fly to Suriname??

Also- any idea is Caribbean Sun will be reabsorbed into Caribbean Star now that the Eastern Caribbean is back to Cat 1??????

I think you are right about POS. I do see that happening as well. As of now 8B doesn't fly to PBM, they do fly to Georgetown, Guyana.

As regards to Sun, there have been many rumours and even the staff of Sun are expecting the airline to be dissolved but nothing as of yet. It does seem realistic though, as Sun's original purpose can now be accomplished with Star.
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:33 am

Caribbean Star does not have any -100's left. The last one was returned just this month. Star currently have 11 -300's, four of which are Q300's.
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):

Hey Rodge,

Everything's fine here except for the weather  Wink How's life down there?
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:58 am

What about Surinam's flights between CUR and POS with the MD.82, I flew with them from Curacao to Port Of Spain vv. En route from Curacao to POS we made a stop in Aruba, the return flight was nonstop 1hour20mins.
 
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RE: Caribbean Star To CUR! No More Caribbean Airlines?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting River747 (Reply 15):
What about Surinam's flights between CUR and POS with the MD.82, I flew with them from Curacao to Port Of Spain vv. En route from Curacao to POS we made a stop in Aruba, the return flight was nonstop 1hour20mins.

Surinam Airways flights between POS-PBM-CUR-AUA are very unstable and very unreliable. Their own MD82 is constantly on the ground due to tech problems and the airline itself is said to be in very bad financial shape. I wonder how they will survive in the coming years. One good thing for aircraft photographers like myself is that we get a variety of odd aircraft that Surinam Airways leases when their MD82 is down. I've seen 737s of TAF and Rutaca Airlines here and they are also known to lease the Bahamasair 737 at times.

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 14):
Hey Rodge,

Everything's fine here except for the weather How's life down there?
My dad is going to BON at the end of November, shame I can't go with him. But I'll be going there sooner than later

I agree with you re"spotting in MIA-SXM. I still need to go to MIA someday!

Hey Kas, what's up. I hope to visit AMS somewhere next year and will definately go aircraft spotting at Schiphol and I'm also thinking of going to LHR for a day for some aircraft photography there. I would love to photograph the AC 777 when they start flying to LHR and of couse all other airlines who operate into LHR. But this is off-topic Big grin

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