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NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:32 am

Since Northwest's hub's at Minneapolis and Detroit are just about the same size, which one has the most flights and which one has the most routes?
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:36 am

I'm a big Detroit fan, And would love to say that Detroit operated more routes, But in the current rank for Busiest Airports MSP is a couple higher than DTW, So MSP operate more routes, However i don't know if you mean Domestic or International flights, Or all in one.
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:37 am

Which one has more international service?
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:38 am

I meant domestic and international, but DTW would beat MSP anyway as far as international routes go.
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:44 am

NW is interesting in that DTW and MSP are pretty close in size.

Off the top of my head, I can't place a USA major that has two hubs so close in size:

-AA (DFW, MIA, ORD) - All big, but not quite so even
-UA (ORD, IAD, LAX, DEN, SFO) - Not quite so even.
-DL (ATL, CVG, SLC, JFK) - Very ATL heavy. JFK may soon close in on being very equal to SLC and then CVG.
-US (PHL, PHX, LAS) - Can't quite tell b/c of US/HP blend.
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 4):
-AA (DFW, MIA, ORD) - All big, but not quite so even
-UA (ORD, IAD, LAX, DEN, SFO) - Not quite so even.
-DL (ATL, CVG, SLC, JFK) - Very ATL heavy. JFK may soon close in on being very equal to SLC and then CVG.
-US (PHL, PHX, LAS) - Can't quite tell b/c of US/HP blend.

AA: DFW is about 50% larger than ORD
UA: ORD is about 65% larger than DEN
DL: ATL is twice as big as any of their other hubs
US: CLT is actually US' largest hub, about 25% larger than their second-largest, PHL, PHX third, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that DCA was larger than LAS (in terms of flights, LGA is larger than both, but aircraft-capacity-wise, that is not the case)
CO (left off your list): IAH is about 75% larger than EWR
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 5):
AA: DFW is about 50% larger than ORD
UA: ORD is about 65% larger than DEN
DL: ATL is twice as big as any of their other hubs
US: CLT is actually US' largest hub, about 25% larger than their second-largest, PHL, PHX third, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that DCA was larger than LAS (in terms of flights, LGA is larger than both, but aircraft-capacity-wise, that is not the case)
CO (left off your list): IAH is about 75% larger than EWR

Exactly - no one has as even a split as NW's DTW/MSP.

I left CO out because I had 3 rum and coke's.
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:02 am

NW's largest hub is DTW by number of flights, though they carry more passengers out of MSP. DTW has over 500 daily flights, while MSP only has around 460. DTW definitely has more international destinations, with MSP having AMS, LGW, NRT and Carribean and Mexican routes, while DTW has LGW, CDG, FRA, AMS, NRT, NGO, KIX, some Carribean and Mexican destinations and soon BRU and DUS. MSP has more destinations served, but as you mentioned, NW's DTW and MSP hubs are almost identical in all statistics; and are closer in size to eachother than with all other airlines. Both hubs are also almost equal in terms of O&D, with MSP having slightly more. So overall they're very similar in size.

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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:18 am

Domestic (Commercial Scheduled Flights Only)
MSP (2005) Total Flights - 137 K
MSP (2005) Total Passengers - 32.22 M
DTW (2005) Total Flights - 136 K
DTW (2005) Total Passengers - 30.37 M
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MSP (2005) Total Passengers - 1.4 M
DTW (2005) Total Passengers - 3.1 M
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:28 am

DTW and MSP are really close, almost the same when it comes to domestic operations...
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:37 pm

My calculations from a few days ago (from http://www.simairline.net/messageboards/viewtopic.php?t=2834):

http://www.metroairport.com/pdf/fin_report_2005.pdf cites that Northwest (including Mesaba and Pinnacle) accounted for 79% of enplanements in Detroit in 2005. Assuming that enplanements*2 = passenger throughput, then Northwest served 28.9 million passengers in Detroit in 2005.

http://www.mspairport.com/msp/appdocs/stats/reports/year_05.xls reports that Northwest et al. had 29.1 million passengers in Minneapolis/St. Paul in 2005.

Calculations for 2004:
DTW - 27.4 million passengers
MSP - 28.8 million passengers
 
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RE: NW Hub's At DTW & MSP

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:39 pm

Does anyone know the breakdown of Northwest, Mesaba, and Pinnacle at DTW?
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