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Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:19 pm

I remember reading that Northwest was rumored to try a non-stop flight from Indianapolis to San Diego (However this was almost a year ago and it was in this forum). Is there any chance that Northwest or AirTran try this route?

There is the IND-SFO that started about a year ago IIRC, and also IND-LAX. If these are performing well enough, is there a chance that some of Northwest's Indy expansion could include SAN?
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:55 pm

ConjureMe, you might find this thread of interest: "New Routes For Airtran In '07?"

(BTW, I have noted lots of mention on this forum in the last couple of years about NW and SAN; unfortunately, nothing has ever come of any of it.)

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:21 pm

It would be nice if NWA would start to connect the dots to cities like SAN, PDX, year round service to SEA, but i just don't know what the demand is for placed like SAN, and PDX for year round service anyone have any idea?

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:32 pm

SAN doesn't even have any nonstop flights to Memphis these days unless you travel as cargo on FedEx. How many people travel between SAN and IND on a daily basis? I'd imagine demand isn't really there.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:41 pm

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 3):
How many people travel between SAN and IND on a daily basis?

Lindy, to answer your question: according to FareMeasure, 289 O&D pax/day. Not exactly chicken spit. Add some connecting traffic, as FL would, and I see no problem with a n/s a day minimum.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:50 pm

Indianapolis to San Diego is a route that would probably perform well. The problem is, AirTran doesn't serve there from Atlanta yet and I highly doubt they'd go into a new city cold without doing it from Atlanta first. Plus they would need to be committed to flying out west year around, instead of seasonal, if they want to get and keep the business.

Northwest probably won't the start the service first anytime in the near future unless AirTran or another carrier does, then two nonstops per day could possibly ruin the service altogether.

Thinking outside the box a little bit, it would be nice to see maybe Frontier start such a service.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:55 pm

You would think with the following NWA has here at IND they would atleast try the route? MEM is a different breed I think.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:12 pm

In the case of AirTran coming to SAN, I'd imagine that gate space could be a problem as the airport gets rather full overnight and again at midday. I'd like to see AirTran at SAN but I worry that they might be too successful and lead Delta to pull back capacity on the ATL-SAN run, which offers some of the only PAX flights on widebody equipment out of SAN. The other heavies at SAN come courtesy of Hawaiian Air and various cargo operators.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:28 pm

LoL
I just want IND to get service to SAN i sure would use it alot...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 2):
...but i just don't know what the demand is for places like SAN, and PDX for year round service anyone have any idea?

As I've posted previously on this forum, there apparently is a popular misconception in the US (and world?) that the 7th largest city in America is a summer-only, resort-type, seaside town that is boarded up in the winter! Sure, there is a great increase in summer travel to SAN, as there is with any city in the US, but the military, the commerce, the tech and bio industries, the cruise and tourist industries and the weather do not go away from September to April! Grrrr! I could go on and on but I won't.

I am actually in the Pacific Northwest now and there is a tremendous difference between summer and winter here so seasonal service to PDX or even SEA wouldn't surprise me as much.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:14 pm

I believe there should be a SAN-IND, but will it happen?
Who knows.
With Eli Lilly based in IND and all of the medical labs in the La jolla area it would make sense. That is one reason IND-RDU does so well.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 10):
That is one reason IND-RDU does so well.

Except Lilly pulled out of the RTP area about a month before NW started the RDU-IND service.. so that can't be one of the reasons..
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Lindy, to answer your question: according to FareMeasure, 289 O&D pax/day. Not exactly chicken spit. Add some connecting traffic, as FL would, and I see no problem with a n/s a day minimum.

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FL is growing IND, so perhaps they would look into this route with one 73G daily. With those numbers anyway, I'd have to say that that should support one daily FL 737...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:41 am

It is actually surprising that WN does not operate this route already, IMO.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:54 am

MEM-SAN is the perfect route for an aircraft like the A318... surprising that NW doesn't even place a small order of these for these longer/thin routes from hubs, (DTW-GEG/BOI would be another example)....perhaps the E195 with its 1750 mi range will hit some of these spots, i think the E190/195 could likely hit just about any spot in the continental US from MEM....perhaps NW will choose to deploy some in this manner.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Fjnovak1 (Reply 14):
MEM-SAN is the perfect route for an aircraft like the A318... surprising that NW doesn't even place a small order of these for these longer/thin routes from hubs, (DTW-GEG/BOI would be another example)....perhaps the E195 with its 1750 mi range will hit some of these spots, i think the E190/195 could likely hit just about any spot in the continental US from MEM....perhaps NW will choose to deploy some in this manner.

Yeah, the EMB-195 would be great for restarting MEM-SAN... How many have NW ordered?

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 7):
In the case of AirTran coming to SAN, I'd imagine that gate space could be a problem as the airport gets rather full overnight and again at midday. I'd like to see AirTran at SAN but I worry that they might be too successful and lead Delta to pull back capacity on the ATL-SAN run, which offers some of the only PAX flights on widebody equipment out of SAN. The other heavies at SAN come courtesy of Hawaiian Air and various cargo operators.

If there was no room at the terminal, wouldn't the a/c just be parked at the remotes on the north side of the airport? I see DL and NW aircraft there all the time...

And though I understand the concern about DL cutting back if FL starts at SAN, I don't think it'll have too much of an effect... DL may cut back a frequency, or downgrade a 757 to a 738 or something, but I don't think 1 daily FL flight will spell the end of DL 763s at SAN...

Of course, what do I know? We'll have to see if they actually come to SAN and then go from there...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):

FL is growing IND, so perhaps they would look into this route with one 73G daily. With those numbers anyway, I'd have to say that that should support one daily FL 737...

yes but would it support both the inevitable Northwest Airbus that gets put on the route in addition to the FL 737?
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
yes but would it support both the inevitable Northwest Airbus that gets put on the route in addition to the FL 737?

Ugh, you have a point there. NW is the big fish for now in the pond known as IND... Rather interesting though, IND, a duel focus city for NW and FL...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:17 pm

I assume NW will jump this route before FL does. Just a hunch that is all.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 18):
I assume NW will jump this route before FL does. Just a hunch that is all.

I doubt that. If they were going to make a move on the route, they would have done it by now. I have a feeling at this point and time they are pleased with the way Indianapolis is going and most of their future moves there will be based on what AirTran is doing.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:32 pm

They will no doubt react to FL. But they also have alot of idle time that needs to be filled up to get the most bang for the buck when it comes to their gate leases. 44 or so flights a day for 8 gates seems a little low especially when nearly a third of the flights are gone in the first couple hours of the day.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:21 pm

As I said before...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
I have noted lots of mention on this forum in the last couple of years about NW and SAN; unfortunately, nothing has ever come of any of it.

Other than 3-4 MSP and 2-3 DTW hub flights, NW doesn't know SAN exists. In the long-ago past, we did have a MEM flight (for maybe a year?) and a LAX flight (a tag-on to the NRT-LAX r/t.) That's it.

I think early last year or maybe in 2004, this forum was ripe with "NW going SAN-Hawaii" rumors. Since that rumor, PDX got a flight to HNL. Therefore, NW now flies from HNL to LAX, SFO, PDX and SEA. What obvious, underserved, West Coast market is missing from this scene? Go figure...

I would be ultra shocked if NW did anything in the way of expansion from SAN. The only thing that intrigues me is the fact that NW still has 2+ gates at Lindbergh, (26, 24, & 22, "shared" with AQ and HP), for 6 or 7 daily flights. I might expect a cx in bk would try to save some bucks by releasing unnecessary airport assets around the system. (Except for the idea of keeping the gates so nobody else can have them...)

I was actually going to say what RW said above:

Quoting RW717 (Reply 13):
It is actually surprising that WN does not operate this route already, IMO.

This is just the kind of route that WN likes to do: unexpected, easy to start as both cities are already healthy WN stations, and good O&D numbers. Look at AUS, ELP, BNA, MSY (pre-Katrina), and SAT -- all served n/s from SAN by WN and not even a glint in anyone elses' eye! You never know what kind of surprises might show up in the next WN flight schedule.

I would be very happy to see a n/s from Lindbergh to IND but I sure wouldn't count on it being a plane with a compass on its red tail!

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
I think early last year or maybe in 2004, this forum was ripe with "NW going SAN-Hawaii" rumors. Since that rumor, PDX got a flight to HNL. Therefore, NW now flies from HNL to LAX, SFO, PDX and SEA. What obvious, underserved, West Coast market is missing from this scene? Go figure...

I think NW missed the boat on SAN-Hawaii services, now that 3 airlines serve HNL and OGG from SAN (HA,AQ,UA)... They had a chance when it was just HA, they could have easily put a 757-300 on the route and been successful, but alas... they didn't, and now they probably won't be able to profitably fly SAN-Hawaii even on a 757-200...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:33 am

Yes, '747, I agree that NW had their best opportunity when the market was REALLY ripe (pre-AQ and UA); I was just using that as another example of NW's inability to see anything south of LAX!

I will say, however, that I don't think SD-Hawaii is saturated yet. In the old days, when WA, UA and DL were serving (and "unserving") the market, the fares were dirt cheap and yields were horrible; even while serving the market, cx complained that they made no money and, when FF programs started, they were just carrying "non-rev's" on their flights. (Remember when you could pay the already-cheap r/t fare to HNL and get additional outer Islands for $6.67 each?!)

Things have changed and I believe yields are much better and fewer Reward seats are offered so a popular market like SD-HNL should certainly be able to support at least 2 or 3 n/s a day. I certainly hope UA will seriously re-enter the market but who knows. I'm sure AQ will re-enter when they have available equipment. US rumors surface now and then... I'm sure if unchallenged, HA will eventually put an additional flight on the HNL run and gladly keep all the money for themselves!

OGG? I'm kinda surprised that we are still seeing 2 daily (HA and AQ) permanent flights on that route but I wouldn't expect any more. I've half expected AQ to move their trip to maybe HNL or even KOA rather than fight that big, beautiful, 264-seat 767 with Pualani on the tail 365 days a year!

Oh yeah, back to IND... (sorry) Embarrassment ... see my earlier posts.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:38 am

Anyone think Airtran could fill a IND-SAN, do they even have a ATL-SAN?
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 22):
I think NW missed the boat on SAN-Hawaii services, now that 3 airlines serve HNL and OGG from SAN (HA,AQ,UA)... They had a chance when it was just HA, they could have easily put a 757-300 on the route and been successful, but alas... they didn't, and now they probably won't be able to profitably fly SAN-Hawaii even on a 757-200...

I might be mistaken but wasn't there a thread earlier about UA cutting its SAN-HNL route?
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 25):

I might be mistaken but wasn't there a thread earlier about UA cutting its SAN-HNL route?

It was always supposed to be a seasonal weekend service. Don't know if it will be returning next summer.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 26):
It was always supposed to be a seasonal weekend service. Don't know if it will be returning next summer.

While it was supposed to be seasonal, it performed so well at bad times, they will reintroduce it next month at better times and for all intents and purposes will be year-round service. If only they had more ETOPs 757s.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:18 pm

...as long as we're still talking about HNL...

Just to provide some detail to DCAYOW's post: UA's Sat. only flight actually stopped at the end of August for about 6 weeks -- pretty much the month of September -- (why I don't know), and restarted Oct 7 with an 11:30 am SAN departure! (Instead of the previous 6pm dep time; the return remains a redeye.) On the current schedules, the flight continues thru Apr 28, 2007. Very strange but it does seem that they are showing continued interest by improving the times. Does anyone know for sure if it's mainly for tour op's (PHH?), or tied in with the cruises (in HA), or exactly what the reason for the flight is?

I am glad to hear that the flight has done well, and I'm not surprised either. UA has a long history in Hawaii and a pretty bright past in the SAN-HNL market as well. (I can't remember if UA or WA was the first carrier to head west from Lindbergh.)

Anybody want to talk about IND-SAN now?  Wink

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:59 am

I don't think NWA would ever open this route because they already opened quite a few new routes to AMS from Hartford and one more (not sure).
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 28):
I am glad to hear that the flight has done well, and I'm not surprised either. UA has a long history in Hawaii and a pretty bright past in the SAN-HNL market as well. (I can't remember if UA or WA was the first carrier to head west from Lindbergh.)

UA had dedicated 1-stop direct flight from SAN to HNL via LAX as early as OCT 1967. I can still remember when the "Stretch-8" was introduced on that route starting in DEC 1967.

WA and UA both started non-stops at about the same time in June 1969. Before WA an UA were awarded the route in 1969, Pan American World Airways was the recommended carrier according to the "Lindbergh Field Flight Schedule News" dated May 1, 1968. Apparently, PA lost out. How great would that have been!
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Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:35 am

Right on, C990! I had forgotten about PA being in the running for the coveted SAN-HNL run. Who knows what might have happened to SAN's long aviation history if the Clippers had started serving Lindbergh in the late 60s!?

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting RW717 (Reply 13):
It is actually surprising that WN does not operate this route already, IMO.

I agree. I was really surprised to see here that there is no non-stop service from SAN to IND. But even more surprising to me is that the only non-stops from the west coast to IND are a few from LAX (NW/FL) and the one from SFO (NW). I would think SEA, OAK, SJC or even PDX might do well in addition to SAN.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:05 am

Ind-San sounds like a great route for SkyBus. I imagine that with a low cost structure they could beat NW in Indy.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
I am actually in the Pacific Northwest now and there is a tremendous difference between summer and winter here so seasonal service to PDX or even SEA wouldn't surprise me as much.



Quoting Junction (Reply 32):
I would think SEA, OAK, SJC or even PDX might do well in addition to SAN.

IND-SEA has operated the last two summers, supposedly with very high load factors. That said, SEA has a few things going for it that SAN/PDX don't, including a higher O&D base, more connecting opportunities (AS/QX), and SEA has traditionally been a very strong base for NW with lots of WorldPerks members.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 15):
If there was no room at the terminal, wouldn't the a/c just be parked at the remotes on the north side of the airport? I see DL and NW aircraft there all the time...

For RON's yep they would. But it's getting so crowed with all the RON's that it's becoming harder to find space to park the a/c. Almost every inch of spare ramp space at SAN is being used. In the mornings its a rush to go tow the A/C from their parking spots towards the gate. It's really a PITA when you're A/C are parked on the north ramp, and you have to cross 27. It takes forever. Actually it's pretty cool if you're brake riding (in the cockpit talking to ATC) or towing the A/C to the gate to go across 27. Brake riding was usually the highlight of my day.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
I've half expected AQ to move their trip to maybe HNL or even KOA rather than fight that big, beautiful, 264-seat 767 with Pualani on the tail 365 days a year!

lol, she's a beauty aint she? I agree I think AQ should do a SAN-KOA route. I know they have one from SNA, if that has any reason to do with anything. FWIW when I was doing ramp for AQ there were lots of connecting pax that routed SAN-HNL-KOA

I think WN should jump on this route if FL/NW waits too long. I don't see NW jumping on this route any time soon however.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 35):
Quoting San747 (Reply 15):
If there was no room at the terminal, wouldn't the a/c just be parked at the remotes on the north side of the airport? I see DL and NW aircraft there all the time...



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 35):
For RON's yep they would. But it's getting so crowed with all the RONs that it's becoming harder to find space to park the a/c. Almost every inch of spare ramp space at SAN is being used.

Yes Gentlemen, you're certainly right; my calculations show that in August, there were typically 55 scheduled RONs at Lindbergh, not including the Commuter terminal, cargo, charters or GA! Currently that's probably down to, well, at least 50. Considering it's a 41-gate terminal, that's a lot of metal to be towing around trying to find a corner to park in every night.

I'm amazed; did you realize that AA and UA both RON 8 aircraft here (in August anyway)? DL currently has 7 and WN, 11 planes that get to spend the night in SAN. I can imagine what Dave said is so true: it must be gridlock in the morning after the gates empty all their RONs and everybody is rushing to fill them up with the next wave of departures.

Aren't all those Ryan buildings south of 9/27 empty and ready to collapse? Wasn't the Port going to demolish at least some of that stuff and make some more remote (a/c) parking? At least that would avoid having to tow all those planes across the active twice; of course the tows would be swimming upstream by trying to go west to the terminal on B while everyone else is heading east to 27!

Great talking to y'all.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
The SD-HNL winners:

UA had the basic colors up through the late 1970s? I thought they had that big red/blue "U" starting circa 1974. Perhaps this didn't get the mx job until 1978 or later?

I guess that makes sense... I mean, when US changed their livery from that red-orange-brown thing in 1988/89, they weren't fully painted in the red and blue livery until early 1992...

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 36):
Aren't all those Ryan buildings south of 9/27 empty and ready to collapse? Wasn't the Port going to demolish at least some of that stuff and make some more remote (a/c) parking? At least that would avoid having to tow all those planes across the active twice; of course the tows would be swimming upstream by trying to go west to the terminal on B while everyone else is heading east to 27!

That would help the taxiway situation, the parking situation, and make spotting easier at SAN! I didn't even know those buildings still served a purpose, we should probably just get rid of them...
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 36):
Aren't all those Ryan buildings south of 9/27 empty and ready to collapse? Wasn't the Port going to demolish at least some of that stuff and make some more remote (a/c) parking? At least that would avoid having to tow all those planes across the active twice; of course the tows would be swimming upstream by trying to go west to the terminal on B while everyone else is heading east to 27!



Quoting San747 (Reply 38):
That would help the taxiway situation, the parking situation, and make spotting easier at SAN! I didn't even know those buildings still served a purpose, we should probably just get rid of them...

Indeed, that's a great idea.

Late at night when we would go empty the lav carts    at the lav cart dumping spot down by the end of 27, it was pretty creepy to see those buildings. Just sitting there looking old and abandoned. Sad in a way too.

BTW thanks for the PM Bob, will get back to ya here in a minute.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 33):
I imagine that with a low cost structure they could beat NW in Indy.

NW has one of the lowest CASM's per seat mile now, and thats if SkyBus even really flies, not to mention, NW has a ton of loyal FF out of Indy now.
 
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 40):
NW has a ton of loyal FF out of Indy now

That they do. They also have 25% of the passenger base at IND on a month to month basis. It has been slowly climbing which of course makes routes like SAN more and more likely. With the exception of STL I think they've had great luck on filling routes they have started here.
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 36):
Aren't all those Ryan buildings south of 9/27 empty and ready to collapse? Wasn't the Port going to demolish at least some of that stuff and make some more remote (a/c) parking?

Hey Dave and San747, regarding my above-mentioned question, I discovered something on the SAN website that I didn't realize existed: the Revised Notice of Preparation of a Draft EIR dated 1/13/2006 for the proposed Lindbergh expansion! For anyone interested, it's here:
http://www.san.org/documents/amp/Revised_NOP_06Jan06_FINAL_LR.pdf

Among other things, it includes maps of 10-gate terminal expansion options and all sorts of other field improvements including a new 12 RON a/c apron and removal of "a/c movement obstructions south of Taxiway B adjacent to and within the Teledyne Ryan property"!

I had no idea plans this specific were floating around out there; I know there are still lots of hurdles but this is very exciting to me. As our friend Coronado990 mentioned to me recently, in about 3 years we in San Diego will hopefully see 10 more gates and 787s arrive at the same time -- now THAT'S exciting!

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 42):
Hey Dave and San747, regarding my above-mentioned question, I discovered something on the SAN website that I didn't realize existed: the Revised Notice of Preparation of a Draft EIR dated 1/13/2006 for the proposed Lindbergh expansion! For anyone interested, it's here:
http://www.san.org/documents/amp/Rev...R.pdf

Are these just ideas? Or are they actual plans for expanding the current facility at SAN? I would love for what you explained to actually happen, especially in time for SAN's first 787 service... like you said, that would be exciting!
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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 43):
Are these just ideas? Or are they actual plans...

Morning San747. They're as close to specific plans for expansion as I've seen yet. I don't know what the exact process is and this "Preparation of a Draft Environmental Impact Report" sounds pretty darned preliminary AND it includes alternate plans but it is something. I haven't found much of anything recently in the media about the Lindbergh expansion and I imagine maybe once the elections and the "airport vote" are over, things will really start hopping on this.

Everyone seems to say "3 years for completion of the projects" so things should be underway now. At least this looks like a start -- something solid.

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RE: Any Chance Of IND-SAN Non-stop?

Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:53 am

Hello SANFan,

Thanks for digging up this report. It made for very interesting reading. Since I expect the Miramar proposition will be voted down, I imagine that there's a good chance that one of these plans to expand the facilities at Lindbergh will be adopted. I personally prefer the version in which 10 gates are added to the west side of the airport over the version in which the commuter terminal is turned into a separate mainline terminal. Perhaps some corrupt local official could be bribed into adding an observation deck to the plans.

Regards,

Edward

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