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Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:13 am

Varig's MIA station mgr leaving at end of October. The next in line just departed abruptly. Haven't flown MIA for more than a month. Remaining employees at MIA contacting airport authority to find out if they are being evicted (not yet). The profile of activity or lack thereof is all too familiar.
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:13 am

Miami service is tentatively set to resume in mid-December.
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:16 am

How is RG (new) doing? Is it making in progress to make profits? Any aircraft on lease or any moves to look like its going in the right direction?
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Miami service is tentatively set to resume in mid-December

Previous advisories had return of service end of September, then end of October. Does the mid-December resumption include the year?
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:35 am

Star Alliance has pretty much given up on MIA. While loads are there costs, politics, and AMR dominance makes it far more worthwhile to spend limited dollars in other places to get a far better return. Unfortunately that means less competition, higher fares, and more and more empty gates...the exact opposite of what MIA needs while in the middle of their expansion program. Failure to attract JetBlue, Southwest, or even a larger AirTran presence are all symbols of the overall failure of the current policy.
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4):
Star Alliance has pretty much given up on MIA. While loads are there costs, politics, and AMR dominance makes it far more worthwhile to spend limited dollars in other places to get a far better return. Unfortunately that means less competition, higher fares, and more and more empty gates...the exact opposite of what MIA needs while in the middle of their expansion program. Failure to attract JetBlue, Southwest, or even a larger AirTran presence are all symbols of the overall failure of the current policy.

A rather sweeping indictment of current MIA policy. Last time I looked, MIA traffic was increasing across the board and FLL was taking a breather. JetBlue has stepped back from the level of expansion they were contemplating, period, not just at MIA. Due to the new strategy to close most of North Terminal in order to expedite completion, gates will actually be pretty much spoken for until about 2010. South Terminal has filled up nicely in spite of the collapse of United that undermined much of the Star Alliance prescence here. That and the fact that those Star carriers operating at MIA have had severe turbulence during recent years has more to do with their allotment of their "limited dollars". When 2010 roll around, we can talk again about empty gates...or not.
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:55 am

AA at MIA is increasing...other carriers are pulling back, fading out. JetBlue is adding cities far smaller than MIA.... No one wants in there. period. Not sure LH has had severe turb by the way. ANA pulled plans to come in. The 'new' strategy to reclose North to fix is only because there is so much empty space and that is the cheapest way to fix....the money is running low. How many carriers took up the LCC deal to get low fees for 10 plus flights or whatever...none.
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 6):
ANA pulled plans to come in.

ANA never planned to come. Good chance you'll be seeing Korean Air passenger jets in the near future, though.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4):
Star Alliance has pretty much given up on MIA. While loads are there costs, politics, and AMR dominance makes it far more worthwhile to spend limited dollars in other places to get a far better return. Unfortunately that means less competition, higher fares, and more and more empty gates...the exact opposite of what MIA needs while in the middle of their expansion program. Failure to attract JetBlue, Southwest, or even a larger AirTran presence are all symbols of the overall failure of the current policy.

Varig not flying to MIA has nothing to do with MIA. They can't fly to Miami right now, they have no aircraft to! Miami will be the first long-haul destination to be resumed. Right now, they are ONLY flying to Frankfurt long-haul.
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:04 am

I know this idea is really far-fetched, but in the event that FLL could expand rwy 9R (if the NIMBYs would allow it), is there any chance that airport could be turned into a *A hub? ie, have LH, RG, et al move to FLL?

It's quite far-fetched, but I guess it comes out of frustration that the new J concourse will be mostly empty considering the lack of *A's presence at MIA.

Coal

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 6):
How many carriers took up the LCC deal to get low fees for 10 plus flights or whatever...none.

Too bad no such deal ever existed. You are confusing MIA with DFW.

Quoting Coal (Reply 8):
I know this idea is really far-fetched, but in the event that FLL could expand rwy 9R (if the NIMBYs would allow it), is there any chance that airport could be turned into a *A hub? ie, have LH, RG, et al move to FLL?

No.

Quoting Coal (Reply 8):
It's quite far-fetched, but I guess it comes out of frustration that the new J concourse will be mostly empty considering the lack of *A's presence at MIA.

J Concourse, empty? 25 airlines are moving into the South project in March.

Also, what many people don't realize is that MIA is a full-service airport. This means MIA provides airlines with all the services nessecary to fly to the airport. There is no need to out-source gate agents, lease gates or equipment, etc., etc., because MIA provides it for you. A huge advantage for airlines with 1-2 daily flights that most airports don't provide, and helps offset the high landing fees.
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4):
or even a larger AirTran presence are all symbols of the overall failure of the current policy.

Didn't AirTran just announce increased service out of MIA? MDW and IND come to mind...
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 10):
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4):
or even a larger AirTran presence are all symbols of the overall failure of the current policy.

Didn't AirTran just announce increased service out of MIA? MDW and IND come to mind...

Yes. MIA-IND start in December, MIA-MDW in February. In addition, MIA-HPN is in the pipeline, so hopefully that will happen.

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:39 am

Here is a good article on the costs of flying to MIA. It highlights how MIA's fees are not as high as people think they are because of the services the fees include with them, and it also demonstrates why this is a problem for low-fare airlines, because they don't want to use those services that are forced upon them:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/15648845.htm

And it also notes that usage rates won't go up as next year as much as they were supposed to thanks to this year's healthy rise in traffic, which was more than expected.
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
J Concourse, empty? 25 airlines are moving into the South project in March.

Well, I guess I was trying to say that there won't be much of a *A presence in it

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:16 pm

It might be too late for RG when they indeed return to the US, they have earned a bad reputation (unreliable) and lost market share and customers to other airlines...RG might survive in the US again only as a small player and/or selling cheap tickets. If RG intends to be successful in the US market they will need to revamp their service and fly nice and comfortable planes (not "old" MD11's)...in my opinion, RG lost the battle.  Sad
 
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:27 pm

As per MAH4546 comments, Varig is really looking to return to MIA. I spoke with RG staff yesterday at ABAV (Brazilian Travel Agents Fair) in Rio and it's confirmed they will return, no date given.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
It might be too late for RG when they indeed return to the US, they have earned a bad reputation (unreliable) and lost market share and customers to other airlines...RG might survive in the US again only as a small player and/or selling cheap tickets. If RG intends to be successful in the US market they will need to revamp their service and fly nice and comfortable planes (not "old" MD11's)...in my opinion, RG lost the battle

Varig is recovering customer confidence on domestic routes, EZE and CCS markets and also on FRA. There are some actions they could take to recover their lost space: lower fares, good service, regularity... it's expensive during 30 to 90 days, but it's necessary and they know it!

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Varig is recovering customer confidence on domestic routes, EZE and CCS markets and also on FRA. There are some actions they could take to recover their lost space: lower fares, good service, regularity... it's expensive during 30 to 90 days, but it's necessary and they know it!

Any news on when they will return to BOG? And with that in mind, are JJ and GOL looking to add it to their network?

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Varig not flying to MIA has nothing to do with MIA. They can't fly to Miami right now, they have no aircraft to! Miami will be the first long-haul destination to be resumed. Right now, they are ONLY flying to Frankfurt long-haul.

I think you are right. Varig is just in heaps of trouble as an airline. I know of all the airlines they have been the most notorious of schedule changes. That is a sign of instability. MIA is doing just fine, Varig I dont think is.
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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
This means MIA provides airlines with all the services nessecary to fly to the airport. There is no need to out-source gate agents, lease gates or equipment, etc., etc., because MIA provides it for you.

Mark, airlines still have to hire or outsource gate agents, bag smashers, ticket counter agents, etc. The airport doesn't provide those categories of people to work flights and if they did they'd be so expensive that no one would use them. Perhaps you saw the TV segment on the airport's gate control agents who assign the gates and control aircraft taxiing in the main terminal area but that's all they do.

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RE: Varig Continues Fade At MIA

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 16):
Any news on when they will return to BOG? And with that in mind, are JJ and GOL looking to add it to their network?

Coal, they are flying to BOG daily (RG) since the first days of October. Nowadays they are flying GRU-BOG-CCS-GRU 6x weekly, and a Saturday service GRU-BOG-GRU, all with Boeing 767-300ER.

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