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China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:37 pm

Airbus CO-CEO Mr Loius Gallois has confirmed that China has agreed to start the production line of the A320 in Tainjin with first delivery in 2009 in addition;

- China have signed an LoI for 20 x A350-XWB
- China have "ordered" 150 A320s (Not clear whether this is a new order or affirmation of last years GTA)

It's headlines from a press briefing currently being held in Beijing

Fair use excerpt; http://www.bloomberg.com

*AIRBUS SAYS FIRST CHINA-MADE A320 PLANE WILL BE READY IN 2009
*AIRBUS SAYS IT WILL START A320 ASSEMBLY LINE IN TIANJIN, CHINA
*CHINA TO SIGN LETTER OF INTENT FOR 20 AIRBUS A350 AIRCRAFT
*CHINA TO BUY 150 AIRBUS A320 AIRCRAFT, AIRBUS' GALLOIS SAYS

The full article will be available on the Bloomberg site shortly

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[Edited 2006-10-26 05:42:31]
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:52 pm

WOW! Big news if it becomes reality! Curious how european workers will react to potential outsourcing of their jobs. Thanks for the breaking news
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:55 pm

SHOCKING

and interesting
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:57 pm

I just spoke to Bloomberg and it appears the 150 A320s are, in their opinion, a new order.

Fair use excerpt;

By Sandrine Rastello
Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS, the world's biggest maker of commercial planes, won an order from China for 150 A320 aircraft, Chief Executive Officer Louis Gallois said.


http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...601087&sid=a3egHKCrOCv0&refer=home


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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:06 pm

What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

It's more than 2 years, and China is really big, last time I checked,

But let's see how many of the 150 are really from the last order.

Not to mention, I don't see how this helps anyone but the Airbus shareholders. Transferring A320 production to China means that in a slow down, who you think is going to get furloughed? The European workers. And what happens if they can't be furloughed because of contractual obligations? Gee, paying people to not work, or building more planes than they need.

Any time a company moves production to China, this should not be seen as a good day for anybody but the Chinese.

The LoI for the 350X is pretty funny, though.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:32 pm

Amazing. China is the world's largest source of advanced IP theft.

Check back in 10 years and see if China makes their own narrow-bodies. If you think not, you're nuts. 20 yrs at the very outside.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:35 pm

Very good news for Airbus !!
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting CWFan (Reply 7):
Check back in 10 years and see if China makes their own narrow-bodies. If you think not, you're nuts. 20 yrs at the very outside.

Or worse. When I saw this news, I tried to dig up some information on the MD-80s produced under license in China, and evidently a lot of the tooling was "redirected" to Chinese missile production facilities. I mean, I'm not saying they can't have a rocketry program, but I can't imagine the short-term gain of selling a few airliner licenses was in any Western nation's long-term security interests. Just seems short-sighted, that's all.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

If you know anything about China you will know its a booming economy and a country with more than a few people... more of this people are flying so there is a need for all these new planes.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

Let's see what Boeing has to say about market demand in China;

By Tian Ying

Oct. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's second-largest commercial-jet maker, reiterated that China may need nearly 2,900 planes over the next two decades as the country's carriers expand their fleets to meet rising travel demand.

The possible orders, worth $280 billion, will make China the largest market outside the U.S. for new commercial airplanes, Boeing said in an e-mailed statement today. The number of aircraft in China may triple to 3,900 by 2025, it added. The company made its last sales forecasts on July 12.

''The Chinese domestic market's projected average growth is almost 9 percent and Boeing believes the current trend of more frequencies and nonstop flights will continue to accommodate this growth through a focus on single-aisle planes such as the Boeing 737,'' Boeing Commercial Airplanes' Marketing Vice President Randy Baseler said.


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http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cmo/

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
But let's see how many of the 150 are really from the last order.

That is what we need clarification on as we only have one report. It could just be the final breakdown allocation of December 2005s GTA or an entirely new agreement, which Bloomberg have reported.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The LoI for the 350X is pretty funny, though.

Actually it's really good as the Chinese usually buy on an even basis. So that accounts for 20 heavies to offset the 20 heavies they're buying from Boeing, the first 6 of which were 777Fs for CZ. Some on this forum will really like the breakdown of the other 14  Wink

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:54 pm

For cynical bastards like me ... I just knew (and predicted) they would find a way to count this sale of 150 planes twice. Announce a new factory in China and re-announce the order, why not?

Quoting N754PR (Reply 10):
If you know anything about China you will know its a booming economy and a country with more than a few people... more of this people are flying so there is a need for all these new planes.

I would have made the order for 500. With all those people, they should have no trouble building and filling them.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 9):
Or worse. When I saw this news, I tried to dig up some information on the MD-80s produced under license in China, and evidently a lot of the tooling was "redirected" to Chinese missile production facilities. I mean, I'm not saying they can't have a rocketry program, but I can't imagine the short-term gain of selling a few airliner licenses was in any Western nation's long-term security interests. Just seems short-sighted, that's all.

I was thinking that, too. As technologically advanced multinationals begin to outsource their core IP processes to China, what worries me are the explicit or implicit IP-"sharing" or outright theft that goes on in every MNC's factory in China. Jack Welch wrote about this in "Straight from the Gut" (about lightbulbs), and so did Fishman in "China, Inc."

At some point domestic economic interests merge into "economic security" conerns. "Economic security" has connotations that sound in foreign policy, and advanced IP offshoring explicitly relates to those economic security interests. Unfortunately, I have yet to see someone who really understands this stuff articulate how advanced IP theft and economic security concerns relates to advanced companies like Boeing or Airbus. Should Western governments do anything about this? Should companies? Or should citizens of Western countries simply not care? Notably, the Japanese government has used a variety of pressures to slow-down the offshoring of their most advances processes to China.

I don't think it's heretical to say that nearly every advanced, market-oriented company will end up giving away the IP store to China, sooner or later. Should the government weigh in at some point? Certainly, if it's not on the sooner side of 20 years, US/EU freedom of action will be constrained in the latter.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Not to mention, I don't see how this helps anyone but the Airbus shareholders.

As an occasional EADS shareholder, that doesn't depress me.

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 12):
For cynical bastards like me ... I just knew (and predicted) they would find a way to count this sale of 150 planes twice.

Ah. Bloomberg has now updated the story:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aa7K3rKi4kFs&refer=home

And it includes this line:

The order for A320 planes today, valued at almost $10 billion based on catalogue prices, adds to a 150-plane contract that China signed with Airbus last year.

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
As an occasional EADS shareholder, that doesn't depress me.

What's your strategy? Buy when Chirac boards a plane, sell when Foregard approaches a mic?  Wink
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:17 pm

Very well said, CWFan. I happen to feel that sooner and later are already. And more people than we would ever imagine are looking out for numero uno.
 
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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
What's your strategy? Buy when Chirac boards a plane, sell when Foregard approaches a mic?  

If only one could. But, sadly for that thesis, M. Forgeard is no longer there.

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:26 pm

Right on Airbus!! Time to shake the bad image and get moving again. Where does this order place them in terms of sales for the year? I think I'll stroll over to the excellent 2006 Orders II thread to find out... Airbus always seems to pull it together at year-end.

And, another LOI for 20 A350XWB's?? Seems like that program is picking up momentum too. All around good news for Airbus.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

There are a dozen cities in China with 5 million or more people. Compare that with just two in the States: New York and Chicago. The only european cities I can think of with over 5 million residents are London and Moscow. The current situation in China is that there are city pairs with 5M+ people in each that don't have nonstop service yet. Clearly there is ample room for growth.

Quoting CWFan (Reply 13):
I don't think it's heretical to say that nearly every advanced, market-oriented company will end up giving away the IP store to China, sooner or later. Should the government weigh in at some point? Certainly, if it's not on the sooner side of 20 years, US/EU freedom of action will be constrained in the latter.

The US is developing new IP about as fast as the Chinese can acquire it, so it's not as though the store shelves will run dry.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:35 pm

The LOI's make it a nice ripe 50 jet launch order if they decide to launch the A350 this year . However what do therse carriers intend to buy?XWB or another reincarnation. I beleive that the chinese carriers would like the XWB since they have allready ordered the smaller 787's . Singapore airlines would also like the more 777'ish A350 .
 
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Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?



Quoting N754PR (Reply 10):
If you know anything about China you will know its a booming economy and a country with more than a few people... more of this people are flying so there is a need for all these new planes.



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
reiterated that China may need nearly 2,900 planes over the next two decades

Booming economy yes. But 2900 planes? Why oh why do they keep ordering narrowbodies? (or so it seems). Biy up 700-1000 widebodies and you will move the same number of people with less operations daily. Lower workload for those working the friendly skies. Such as Japan has with flying 747's domestically.

I too am shocked by an announcement to build aircraft in China. I'll believe it when I see it. That's the attitude I take to Airbus right now. This could be more hot air from Airbus.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
The only european cities I can think of with over 5 million residents are London and Moscow.

May be you should add Paris and Roma, at least
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
And it includes this line:

The order for A320 planes today, valued at almost $10 billion based on catalogue prices, adds to a 150-plane contract that China signed with Airbus last year.

It's not a new order for 150 folks (as Mariner correctly pointed out).

While it's an order it also comes at a hefty price in terms of back scartching and my guess would be in the plant deal goes away so do the orders. Which sounds like MORE politics not less for Airbus and company.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting A520 (Reply 22):
May be you should add Paris and Roma, at least

"Paris had an estimated mid-2004 population of 2,144,700."
"Within the city limits, the population is about 2.5 million; almost 3.8 million live in the urbanised area of Rome."
Both from Wikipedia. Milan is larger, with nearly 4M.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:11 pm

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 23):
It's not a new order for 150 folks (as Mariner correctly pointed out).

I didn't say that. I simply quoted Bloomberg.

To me, it reads as if it is an additional order - "adds to" - but I don't know, since there is only one source.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 23):
Which sounds like MORE politics not less for Airbus and company.

Each to his own. It doesn't sound like that to me - they've been working on the China plant for some time.

But always ready to be proven wrong.

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
Actually it's really good as the Chinese usually buy on an even basis.

I just meant that the 20x 350X is funny because they are saying: "we don't know what it is exactly, and don't know when we'll get them, but we need 20. That's for sure. To split haphazardly among all our carriers, just like our 787 order."

I find the whole Chinese government buying and allotting planes amusing, and the way people get worked up like it means anything at all, Boeing or Airbus or Embraer, it's just funny.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
Actually it's really good as the Chinese usually buy on an even basis. So that accounts for 20 heavies to offset the 20 heavies they're buying from Boeing, the first 6 of which were 777Fs for CZ. Some on this forum will really like the breakdown of the other 14

Take you know something there Paul! Hope to hear about it soon.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
The order for A320 planes today, valued at almost $10 billion based on catalogue prices, adds to a 150-plane contract that China signed with Airbus last year.

Darn... So no new (150) A320 order...

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 27):
Darn... So no new (150) A320 order...  

I'm not clear where this is coming from. Apparantly, the order today was for 150 x A320.

Bloomberg says this "adds to" a 150-plane contract China signed with Airbus last year.

It reads to me like two orders.

???

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:34 pm

The story I read said that the Chinese factory would build up to four A320s per year. Not exactly a production rate up there with the lines in Europe.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusin...ews/publish/article_10007798.shtml
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Not to mention, I don't see how this helps anyone but the Airbus shareholders. Transferring A320 production to China means that in a slow down, who you think is going to get furloughed? The European workers

How great it is to know that you are supporting the course of the European workers. That warms our cockles no end

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The LoI for the 350X is pretty funny, though.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
I find the whole Chinese government buying and allotting planes amusing, and the way people get worked up like it means anything at all, Boeing or Airbus or Embraer, it's just funny.

It is quite a hoot isn't it? Another rack of orders for Airbus and others always brings up a smile  Smile

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 12):
For cynical bastards like me ... I just knew (and predicted) they would find a way to count this sale of 150 planes twice. Announce a new factory in China and re-announce the order, why not?

Why not indeed. BTW from your comment above I wouldn't say you were a cynic at all. The rest, however, would seem to be inkeeping.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:32 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6086412.stm The BBC is also saying it's new
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:36 pm

Congratulations to Airbus and China.

Well I must say that this particular order came as a big surprise to me. I was expecting some thing with Chira's visit to China but nothing of this magnitude. 300 NB in less than a year is just mind blowing.

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 21):
Why oh why do they keep ordering narrowbodies?

Because, although we keep talking about fragmentation in terms of the 787/A350, the growth in narrowbodys has probably had more influence on real fragmentation than any other class of aircraft.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 21):
Biy up 700-1000 widebodies and you will move the same number of people with less operations daily

Ah, a closet A380 fan eh?  biggrin 

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:46 pm

Ikramerica I hear what you're saying  Smile

Ok, this is a new order I have spoken to the reporter and they have asked for clarification twice and have been told it is a new order twice so 150 more for the A320 series.

The production rate is also not 4 per year but 4 per month from 2009 with most going to Chinese carriers.

Hope that clears some details up and with Skybus I just think Airbus almost doubled their year to date sales. I've said it only recently, Airbus always book more orders in the second half of the year and that is what we are just starting to see.

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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

So when can we expect a new 150 B737NG order?
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:52 pm

BEIJING (AP)--China signed an order Thursday for 150 mid-size Airbus A320 planes, the European aircraft maker's chief executive officer said.

The order was one of a number agreements signed at the start of French President Jacques Chirac's state visit to China.

Airbus CEO Louis Gallois told reporters that the ordered planes would be assembled in China and delivered between 2009 and 2012.

China also signed a letter of intent to purchase 20 of Airbus's larger A350 aircraft, but a firm decision is to be made later.

No monetary value was given for the order, nor were details released about which Chinese airlines would receive the planes.


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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 34):
Hope that clears some details up and with Skybus I just think Airbus almost doubled their year to date sales. I've said it only recently, Airbus always book more orders in the second half of the year and that is what we are just starting to see.

By my bag of fag packet calculation they were on about 250 including the other October orders so this, when booked, will take them over 400 and into extending backlog terriotory again. Well done 'bus - still a way to go before they catch B this year but it's looking a bit more rosy.

Now lets launch the XWB and firm these, the SQ and QR LoIs and transfer some/all of the orders for the XNB!
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:58 pm

Wow so these planes would be assembled in china !!
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 12):
For cynical bastards like me ... I just knew (and predicted) they would find a way to count this sale of 150 planes twice. Announce a new factory in China and re-announce the order, why not?

The order for A320 planes today, valued at almost $10 billion based on catalogue prices, adds to a 150-plane contract that China signed with Airbus last year.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 5):
What the hell is China gonna do with 150 MORE A320s? That's 450 new narrowbody aircraft in 2 years?

"China is a large country, inhabited by many Chinese".

Quoting CWFan (Reply 7):
Amazing. China is the world's largest source of advanced IP theft.

I heard just recently that currently per year, there are more patent applications filed in China than in the US, and there are more patent lawsuits filed in China than in the US. The times they are a'changing. (I didn't check those before posting them here, but I heard them from an American patent lawyer)

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
The only european cities I can think of with over 5 million residents are London and Moscow.

From Wiki:

Paris had an estimated mid-2004 population of 2,144,700 [2]. The Paris urban area, extending well beyond the city boundaries, has today an estimated population of 9.93 million [3]. The Paris metropolitan area (including satellite towns) stood at 11.5 million in 1999[4] and is one of the most populated metropolitan areas in Europe.

Generally Paris is considered to be about as large as Moscow population-wise, and one of the planet's foremost metropolises.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting Himself (Reply 29):
The story I read said that the Chinese factory would build up to four A320s per year. Not exactly a production rate up there with the lines in Europe.

That must be obviously wrong. A factory like this would not make any economic sense. In the order announcement they say planes will be delivered between 2009-2012 so around 40 not 4 per year. Journalist error perhaps?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 35):
So when can we expect a new 150 B737NG order?

I guess when Boeing builds 737 assembly line in China.
 
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Airbus Orders in 2006

226 orders booked until 30 September 2006

Orders In October
LH 30x A32X + 5x A333
BlueWings 20x A32X
Tiger Airways 8x A32x
China 150x A32X
Skybus 65x A32X
Private (Elite, ACJ ect...) ?

Total Airbus Orders: 504 frames (Don't have the exact number of CJ booked in October)

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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:26 pm

The factory in China will have a capacity of four aircraft/month -this is what Gallois indicated to the media yesterday.The figure of 4 x A320/Year is a press-mistake.
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 43):
The factory in China will have a capacity of four aircraft/month -this is what Gallois indicated to the media yesterday.The figure of 4 x A320/Year is a press-mistake.

If it's what was proposed last year - this is a Final Assembly line only so the fuse, wings etc will be built in Europe still and then flown to China to be snapped together - I wonder if they'll need a couple more Belugas?
 
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:42 pm

This order is a NEW order , and Mr Gallois said it will be immediately added to the Airbus order book.He declined to say for which airlines they are destined , but probably Shanghai Al will be one of them , since they declared they want now 2 suppliers , and will enter the Airbus world.
 
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 24):
"Paris had an estimated mid-2004 population of 2,144,700."
"Within the city limits, the population is about 2.5 million; almost 3.8 million live in the urbanised area of Rome."

These are "intra-muros" data. If you take the full urban area (the criteria of choice for air movements), Paris is almost 10M.
 
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:48 pm

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 12):
For cynical bastards like me ... I just knew (and predicted) they would find a way to count this sale of 150 planes twice. Announce a new factory in China and re-announce the order, why not?

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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Himself (Reply 29):
The story I read said that the Chinese factory would build up to four A320s per year.

It's really four per month.
Quoting Joni (Reply 40):
Paris had an estimated mid-2004 population of 2,144,700 [2]. The Paris urban area, extending well beyond the city boundaries, has today an estimated population of 9.93 million [3]. The Paris metropolitan area (including satellite towns) stood at 11.5 million in 1999[4] and is one of the most populated metropolitan areas in Europe.

Generally Paris is considered to be about as large as Moscow population-wise, and one of the planet's foremost metropolises.



Quoting A520 (Reply 46):
These are "intra-muros" data. If you take the full urban area (the criteria of choice for air movements), Paris is almost 10M.

But China has a dozen cities with 5M+ in the city limits. If we're counting metro areas, then the number in China would be a lot higher.

[Edited 2006-10-26 11:00:14]
 
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 35):
So when can we expect a new 150 B737NG order?

Depends. When is Bush's next scheduled visit to China Big grin ?
 
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RE: China LoI 20 A350-XWB, "To Buy 150 A320"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:13 pm

Airbus now have a press release on their website;

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ases_items/06_10_26_170_CASGC.html

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