|Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 7):|
Makes sense. Move cargo there. Decreases demand of SEA. Regionalizing airports is no big deal. The state could actually step in and make it so withou the swap.
True, but the whole idea is based on the county getting the rail line, and not so much the Port getting BFI
|Quoting Articulatexpat (Reply 8):|
It's unfortunate this rail line probably wouldn't be converted to transit purposes, if this deal goes through. The Seattle area's a congested nightmare. It needs urban rail transport more than it needs another trail.
It will be very difficult, if not impossible, to get past the NIMBY's once the current rail is removed. It's [almost] a red herring to suggest future transit use once a trail is put in.
|Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):|
I guess I'll say that I hope things will stay the way that they are since I think if big changes happen to BFI, then General Aviation will be pushed out. BFI is such a great convenient location. Yes its airspace is ridiculously complicated with it being 4 miles from SEA, but it is where I did my pilot training, and I liked using the airport.
is very convenient for many GA
folks. I hope it stays this way as well.
|Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):|
Since the article says Boeing is the largest freight customer (unless I read it wrong), what Boeing facilities does the rail serve?
Boeing Renton 737 plant. Currently all fuselages are delivered in one piece from Wichita by rail. The -600, -700, and -800 come via the south end of the line in Renton, but a bridge over the Cedar River will just barely fit a -900, so those are always brought the full length of the line from the north. This is true for a number of high/wide items that will not fit through the tunnel under downtown Seattle. (Ironically, while typing this, four fuselages just rolled through downtown Renton past my window.)
Once this bridge is replaced next year, all the fuselages will be brought from the south, so from basically Renton north, the line will see only local shipments.
|Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 12):|
I think the real reason is to block WN from leaving SEA for BFI.
I doubt it. The real reason is that the county (Ron Sims) wants his trail. This is a means to an end, though it does make the Port happy as well I guess.
|Quoting RwSEA (Reply 13):|
Wrong! First, by closing the rail line, the state can save $30M of taxpayer money when I-405 is widened through Bellevue in a couple years. Second, the trail corridor will potentially be used for light rail in the future, so it isn't just about a "trail", but about preserving a right of way for public use.
$30 million is $30 million. Having said that, it is $30 million that any agency would need to spend if they wanted to infringe on the right-of-way of a railroad. That BNSF is willing to forgo the replacement of the line segment doesn't make it a taxpayer argument. Taxpayers wanted the freeway expansion, and that included rebuilding/replacing the rail line.
In regards to preserving the rail right-of-way for future transit use, as I said before, it is a noble and indeed responsible idea - but a probable red herring. I don't know if you've visited the line, but it runs literally right outside many people's homes along Lake Washington. Those folks may not be too pleased to have 20 trains a day rolling outside - in fact, they might not be too thrilled with all the people that might be walking outside their home either.
One point I'd like to make, RwSEA, is this: The line doesn't need to go anywhere. The ONLY reason that this is happening is that BNSF knows it can get tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars from the County if they "make it redundant". If the county walked away, they would still need to file for abandonment, and any piece they chose to abandon could be purchased by an existing operator (Dinner Train, shortline railroad) or by, say, the city of Renton, and left in place for use.
Why do the tracks need to come out? There are customers. There is the Dinner Train. The Dinner Train owners have freight railroads in the state and are more than capable of growing the business. They recently took over a line in Clark County that was doing 65 carloads a year, and next year they'll be doing 1000+.
Sorry to get off "planes", but the whole deal comes off sounding great, until you realize it is being made possible by killing the Dinner Train, paying (or offering incentives to) businesses to relocate, etc. Why? For a trail. They could just as easily buy the right-of-way, build a trail next to the tracks, and have the best of both worlds. Nope - gotta kill the businesses. Hmm...
|Quoting RwSEA (Reply 13):|
Disagree. The county has been trying to get this trail for the past few years, well before WN caused their ruckus.