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FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:47 pm

Well that is my opinion of the situation.

I am convinced that the FAA has walking orders to kill off as many small operators as possible and this case only confirms to me that is the case.

Jim Air a 30 year operator in the State of Alaska is surrendering their certificate to the FAA. For those of you not familiar with them, they are a float plane operator out of Lake Hood. A few years ago when Fox ran that TV show where they flew a bunch of fluzie women up here to meet and marry Alaskan men they where the air carrier that the show used and several of their planes where used in it.

Fast forwared today-the buisness in no-more. The FAA had yanked the owners pilot license and inorder to avoid the exhorbinate fines and costs that a goverment funded witch-hunt would bring.

The reason, for the first time in over 30 years of Alaska flying Jim Bern the owner of Jim Air cracked up an airplane last August. He was flying Portage pass, found the weather wasn't what was expected and attempted to reverse course and head home. He unfortunately ended up on the side of a mountain instead. There where some minor injuries, and the crash didn't even make the local news up here.

But the FAA has decreed that because he is the owner of the company that the penalty must be harsher and are pulling his ticket. The Regional Council has decreed his actions intolerable and thus a long time alaska carrier is shuttering and it's employees are out looking for work.

I for one find the regional councils comments on the TV tonight intolerable and feel that he is taking this hard stand to only futher his own career. It disgusts me that the FAA is destroying the lives of several people in the near term over a non-fatal accient, the first accident in a mans career.

I tell you, when the wrote out the part about promoting aviation from the FAA charter that was one of the black days in history.

These people can not be considered our freinds, and I wish the best for the pilots, mechanics and other personel of Jim Air that where put out of work over something that didn't even make the nightly news.

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RE: FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:02 pm

There must be more to this story than what the news paper said. It seems to me, that attempting to turn around and RTB because of weather is normally the correct decision. Is the Regional FAA Office here saying he should have continued to fly through the bad weather in a mountain pass?

Has Jim Air had any other FAA notices for safety violations?

Two non-fatal accidents in 30 years is a great record anywhere, especially in Alaska.
 
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RE: FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:35 am

Sounds like a case where the new GPS systems with terrain avoidance technology would have been helpful.

The pilot can also appeal through the NTSB and try to get his certificate back. But he would have to do that within a certain amount of time. That may have passed.

I have to say, that any accident of that nature is life threatening. He was lucky no one was killed.

The FAA may be acting a little on the heavy side, but they seem to be sending a message that they don't want pilots flying into hazardous terrain in questionable weather.
 
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RE: FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:21 am

Leave it to the FAA to ruin another good thing.

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RE: FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:44 am

A good friend of mine hit an unlit temporary structure beside a taxiway in Reading, PA one night. The FAA were all over him like a rash, accusing him of reckless behaviour and damaging FAA property etc etc.

My friend asserted that he never saw the object and never left the taxi stripe, so it must have been incorrectly situated. My friend and the FAA inspector got word that it was in the wrong spot at about the same time, in different phone calls. The next minute the FAA inspector changed his tune and tried to deny that their equipment caused any damage to friend's plane.

There are some good guys in the FAA, but there seem to be lots of putzes at the regional management level too.
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RE: FAA Destroys Another PT135 Carrier For Spite

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting Curmudgeon (Reply 4):
There are some good guys in the FAA, but there seem to be lots of putzes at the regional management level too.

Agreed, I have no problems with any ATC or MX personel.

But I stand by my contention that the worst thing to happen to US aviation was when the mandate to promote aviation was removed from the FAA chater.

Quoting Kellmark (Reply 2):
The FAA may be acting a little on the heavy side, but they seem to be sending a message that they don't want pilots flying into hazardous terrain in questionable weather.

Well the message was that they don't want owners or chief pilots flying in risky weather. But it has been my experience that when the weather is marginal (Still legal) that the senior pilots have an obligation to take the risker flights.

Also more frustrating is the fact that he is being faulted for takeing a trip up portage pass...There are no local weather stations on either side of the past. Their isn't any at portage, and their isn't in Whitter on the other side. The closest decent weather is Anchorage and Seward, hardly representive. I remember being told that we have 1/3rd the density of weather stations that the lower 48 does, it shouldn't be surprising that some flights might have to be turned back.
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