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What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:15 pm

I can only think of Iberia and Martinair Cargo. I know that Virgin Atlantic, Thomas Cook and other UK carriers operate charter flights during the summer season, but do you any other airlines apart from the ones mentioned above?
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:29 am

Iberia's A340-300 route between Madrid and San Juan is the only scheduled passenger route into SJU from Europe. Lots of other carries codesharing into SJU via gateways of their US codeshare partners.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:46 am

Currently, IB is the only airline offering scheduled flights between Europe and SJU. At one time, SJU was a stopover for LH flights between FRA and South America. LH discontinued those flights many years ago.
 
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:37 am

Right. Martinair Cargo and Iberia are the only european airlines in SJU.

Martinair Cargo has plans to move his sju cargo operations to Aguadilla/BQN next year.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:54 pm

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 2):
LH discontinued those flights many years ago.

Add to that also DE. They used to fly into SJU but the flight has been discontinued as well.
 
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:01 pm

BA also flew to SJU in the 90s. They stopped there on their flights to and from TAB and ANu. The services ended around 2002 if I remember correctly.

Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.

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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 5):
Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country its market for air travel is heavily concentrated on the US with historic links to Spain ensuring the IB connection. As such links to other European countries have not been as successful. Puerto Rico is also relatively expensive as a holiday destination and has lost out to its neighbours, particularly the Dominican Republic.

Correct! In fact, in order to make San Juan profitable - Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight. This means that demand to Puerto Rico from Europe is very little.

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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:40 pm

i was thinking of going to san jose next year actually!
 
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight

IB SJU-SDQ flights are no more. Due to visa restrictions... SJU is served nonstop now from MAD.

BA use to serve SJU back in the 90's up until I believe 2001, 2002. Their are pics of BA DC-10's and 772's at SJU.

AF use to serve SJU as well but for regional Caribbean service using 737's but this was many moons ago.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:06 am

BA inherited their SJU service from British Caledonian. BR used to fly there on Tuesdays and Thursdays on a routing of LGW-SJU-CCS-BOG. Aircraft used were DC10-30 according to their 1982 spring timetable. KLM used to serve SJU using their MD-11 back in 1998-1999. I remember seeing their aircraft during some of my travels down to SJU.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:17 am

When i was in SJU in march IB sent their a346

i guess it was an equipment sub

always nice to see a big bird like that into SJU
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
Correct! In fact, in order to make San Juan profitable - Iberia needs to combine it with its Santo Domingo flight.

No, that's not true. Always in the past and right now SJU was/is more or less profitable for IB. Like SJUSXM says:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 10):
When i was in SJU in march IB sent their a346
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 11):
No, that's not true. Always in the past and right now SJU was/is more or less profitable for IB. Like SJUSXM says:

I see, thanks for the clarification. I did read in the past from forum members around here that worked on those flights that when San Juan and Santo Domingo were flown as a combination that it was always Santo Domingo that attracted the most loads with SJU always having the lesser amounts of passengers per trip.

In any case, SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?

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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 5):


Although Puerto Rico is the 5th largest Caribbean country

Actually it is the largest US Commonwealth, (non-state variety) located in the Caribbean  Wink
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
SJU was always a very important IB destination in the past given the hub that it used to operate from there before it was moved to MIA, correct?

Erm...I'm afraid not.

Before moving to MIA, IB operated a small hub in the Caribbean. But it was not SJU...it was SDQ. They flew their DC10s/B742s from MAD to SDQ and from there they flew DC9s to their destinations in the area.

Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 14):
Before establishing a hub in SDQ, some IB flights used to stop at both SDQ and SJU before reaching their final destinations (without plane change).

Ahh... Okay, that's why I'm confused. You see, I was looking at some old IB pictures on myaviation and I noticed these pictures:


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They show Iberia's flight into San Salvador before they were replaced by the DC-9 operation from MIA when the hub was changed to Florida. The flights to SAL operated as: MAD-SJU-SJO-SAL. That's why I'm confusing SDQ with SJU...

So how many flights are operated to SJU per week?

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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
demand to Puerto Rico from Europe is very little

Because we don't want to go to Europe. We only want to go to our two motherlands--USA & SPAIN!!!

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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 16):
We only want to go to our two motherlands--USA & SPAIN!!!

Uhh... Spain is in Europe!

So how many flights does IB have to La isla del encanto?


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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:40 am

Flights operate into San Juan nonstop from MAD on Weds, Sats, and Sun on Airbus 340-300.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Actually it is the largest US Commonwealth, (non-state variety) located in the Caribbean

And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe).
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe).

Right now the richest Caribbean lands in terms of GDP right now are...
1 The Bahamas $ 16,700
2 Barbados $ 15,700
3 Antigua and Barbuda $ 11,000
4 Trinidad and Tobago $ 9,500
5 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 8,800

I assume Puerto Rico would surpass them all by a good bit.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 20):
And if it were a country, it would be the 5th largest (it would also be the richest I believe)

better not to go there
 
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:39 pm

A bit off the subject but...

Avianca (AV) used to fly 747s on a BOG-SJU-MAD routing back in the 70s.
Also, as charters, Transamerica (747 SJU-MAD) and Britannia (767) have served SJU.
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RE: What European Airlines (scheduled) Fly To SJU?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:12 pm

LatinPlane, I fly every year to SJU to visit my family in either high and low season and no matter what airline i choose to travel with, they are ALWAYS full. I have never been in an empty IB to or from SJU. It makes me think that, actually, there is a big demand to fly to and from SJU!
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