User avatar
PanAm_DC10
Crew
Topic Author
Posts: 3805
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:37 am

Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:08 am

CIT are now confirmed as 5 of the 787 UFOs

20 more 737s have been added to the Unidentified column.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Regards, PanAm_DC10
Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
 
Lumberton
Posts: 4176
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:34 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:10 am

559 total 737s this year; 10 short of last year's record 569. Not bad.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Hi PanAM_DC10.....this has been a good week for Airbus and Boeing on the single-isle plane list.... Smile

It's nice to see both carriers getting orders.. checkmark ....but that ChineseA350XWB order has me curious.. scratchchin 
"Up the Irons!"
 
mauriceb
Posts: 2150
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:50 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:14 am

If got an airline in my mind who needs and was planning to order 20 737's..KLM, they said earlier this year that they were considering an order for short haul planes to replace the 737-300/400's which are still in the fleet. the order was planned end this year or early next year, so good chance they are the airline.
 
NYC777
Posts: 5076
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:00 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:19 am

Are any of those Airbus orders firm orders that they'll add to there totals for October?
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
but that ChineseA350XWB order has me curious..

Perhaps they're making a bid for A350 production work as well (mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections)?
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
NYC777
Posts: 5076
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:00 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Perhaps they're making a bid for A350 production work as well (mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections)?

Wonder if they would hire Boeing's LCFs to move the fuselage sections then!
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):

Perhaps they're making a bid for A350 production work as well (mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections)?

Why not just ship the entire Airbus line to China...will probably more efficient.. Smile
"Up the Irons!"
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13772
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:17 am

What's interesting about all those 737s is that very few go to risky airlines. 30 for Lion and even that is a followup order (we'll see if they take all 60), a few here and there otherwise, but 500 of them are for well established customers. And China, which isn't going to default or go bankrupt.

If last year was the year of the startup airline, this year it's been the "vote of confidence" for Boeing...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
archie
Posts: 216
Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2000 7:58 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:27 am

Hi,

I read in a mexican aviation forum that A Volar was investing 700 Million dollars for the purchase of 20 new 737-800, could this be their order?

Thanks,
Archie
 
planemaker
Posts: 5411
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:53 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:06 am

At these rates, Boeing would appear to be in no rush to introduce their 737RS. It almost seems that no new narrowbody will come out until all the Classics have been replaced with NGs... and then the RS will be the NG replacement.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 10):
At these rates, Boeing would appear to be in no rush to introduce their 737RS. It almost seems that no new narrowbody will come out until all the Classics have been replaced with NGs... and then the RS will be the NG replacement.

Thats one way of looking at it......another thought is that all of these 737NG sales will provide Boeing with capital to fund the 737RS project.
 
aa1818
Posts: 1518
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:03 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
Thats one way of looking at it......another thought is that all of these 737NG sales will provide Boeing with capital to fund the 737RS project.

I don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!

For now, the 737NG and A32X is the best we'll see for a while until something more radical in terms of technology is found!!!

AA1818
“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
 
planemaker
Posts: 5411
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:53 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
I don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!

I agree! However, if oil were to jump to $100-$120/bbl, that currently obtainable 10% suddenly jumps to +20%. Then B and A will feel airline pressure to come out with a new narrowbody sooner rather than later.

On the other hand, if oil drops to $30-$40/bbl then that current 10% advantage over current models becomes less... and there is even less pressure to introduce a new narrowbody.

Furthermore, with each year that B is able to "squeeze" out of the NGs means that the RS will incorporate further basic R&D in addition to improvements and lessons learned coming out of the 787 program.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
 
ksupilot
Posts: 635
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:27 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:21 am

If it ain't broke, don't fix it....atleast not for another 10 years or so.
 
monteycarlos
Posts: 2018
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:16 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
mandrels spinning composite fuselage sections

Lol, just picturing it makes me laugh!
It's a beautiful night to fly like a phoenix...
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:08 am

On a side note...I like this comment by Boeing's CEO..

"• Pending sales campaigns. McNerney said he is "optimistic" about major ongoing campaigns with Lufthansa and British Airways."...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...aerospace/2003323319_boeing26.html
"Up the Irons!"
 
DAL767400ER
Posts: 5084
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:17 pm

[quote=Jacobin777,reply=16 Pending sales campaigns. McNerney said he is "optimistic" about major ongoing campaigns with Lufthansa and British Airways."...[/quote]
Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC, so that order is only dependant on when and what specific model(s) BA will order. Lufthansa, don't wanna comment on that, LH is starting to drag this order on longer than SQ did their 787/A350 decision (only to order both).
 
RAPCON
Posts: 651
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:20 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:12 pm

And ANA will exercise the options for two more 767F's!

http://www.e4engineering.com/Articles/296688/Orders%20for%20Boeing.htm
MODS CAN'T STOP ME....THEY CAN ONLY HOPE TO CONTAIN ME!!!
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC, so that order is only dependant on when and what specific model(s) BA will order. Lufthansa, don't wanna comment on that, LH is starting to drag this order on longer than SQ did their 787/A350 decision (only to order both).

True, BA will probably go Boeing...and at least LH has given some kind of "definitive" for their order time.....but its the first time we've heard anything from someone from Boeing management (and especially being the Chairman/CEO of the company)... Smile

Cheers..
"Up the Irons!"
 
User avatar
PanAm_DC10
Crew
Topic Author
Posts: 3805
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:37 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
Well, BA already secured itself some 20 777 delivery positions a few months ago, IIRC

A minor clarification if I may sir, it was 10 not 20, production slots covering delivery 2008 through 2010. They announced that publicly on March 8, 2006.

Regards, PanAm_DC10
Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
 
DAL767400ER
Posts: 5084
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 20):
A minor clarification if I may sir, it was 10 not 20, production slots covering delivery 2008 through 2010. They announced that publicly on March 8, 2006.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Ah, thanks for the correction, guess I was a bit too optimistic about the potential order  Silly .
 
bringiton
Posts: 763
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:24 am

RE: Boeing Weekly Update 20 More 737s

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
don't think the question is about funding or sales, it's more about the lack of technology. Currently technology including engines exists to provide at best 10% (as was shown in another thread) and Boeing and Airbus and Airlines all want at least 20% to make it worth their while to invest in a whole new product!

The bottom line is that the A320 and the 737NG are very effeceint to begin with . The new composite frames , electrical systems only perhaps give 40-50% of the eff , the other 50% of the eff. acheived is via More effecient engines which are out of boeing's and airbus's hands . Boeing has said a lot more about the 737RS and so far they are studying the requirment . In the NB market there needs to be a correct balance between Lower Fuel burn , Faster turn around times , Lower cost of maintaince and High Reliability . We may see a platform in 2013 that gives around 10-15% Lower fuel burn but offers much much lower maintaince costs and higher reliability (although i cant see how they can go any higher then the NG) etc etc or might be more economical to procure and operate etc . All in all engines play a very big role in development cycles and I think neither Airbus nor boeing is willing to jump the gun until the engine manufacterers are ready and willing to commit.