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Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:04 am

I was just lookign at an article about Virgin's delay of hteir A380's and saw that Kingfisher had ordered five superjumbos. I'm wondering what possible routes will be operated by Kingfisher with these aircraft as I dont think any of their current routes would wrrant it.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:27 am

Kingfisher is currently limited to domestic operations due to a Government of India ruling that 5 years of successful operations must elapse before private airlines are permitted to fly overseas sectors. By the time the A380s are delivered this will (probably) have been achieved and Kingfisher will be able to fly internationally.

There are finer points to the GoI's policy and I'm sure someone with greater knowledge will fill in the gaps.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:03 pm

Oh okay, but any idea what kind of route they'd try ot fly with them? Maybe something like LAX-Bangalore or what, I mean I don't know much about Kingfishe.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:36 pm

LAX-BLR
SFO-BOM
BOM-SYD
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:04 pm

Aah Mumbai routes. BTW do you know if Kingfisher will wait for the delivery of these aircraft to go internatioinal or will it try to apply to fly internationally immediately after reaching 5 years of domestic.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 4):



Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 4):
Aah Mumbai routes. BTW do you know if Kingfisher will wait for the delivery of these aircraft to go internatioinal or will it try to apply to fly internationally immediately after reaching 5 years of domestic.

Kingfisher has A340-500s on order as well. It need not wait for the A380s to commence international ops. By the time the A345s are delivered, it would have completed 5 years of domestic operations.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 5):
Kingfisher has A340-500s on order as well

They still haven't firmemed those orders yet but I expect that this will happen before the end of this year.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 3):
LAX-BLR
SFO-BOM
BOM-SYD

What about NYC/LAX/LHR-BOM?

Wouldn't it be more wise to put in the A380 on LAX-BOM before putting it on LAX-BLR, a route that doesn't even exist yet?

Don't know about BOM-SYD with an A380 - unless they opt for some serious connecting traffic at BOM a la EY, EK, QR. And we all know what the yield environment there will be like in a few years time! Besides, with facilities at BOM... who would ever connect there unless they really had to..

Also, can BOM cope with the A380 at all right now? Not yet, right? I was there two months ago, they were doing a lot of construction (tarmac and taxiways etc.), anybody knows what's going on?

Btw, don't AI fly to LAX anymore? Can't find it. Is it seasonal??

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):
Btw, don't AI fly to LAX anymore? Can't find it. Is it seasonal??

AI still flies LAX-DEL via FRA three times weekly. Usually on MON-WED-SAT.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:25 am

Vijay Mallya Chairman of Kingfisher has on several occasions stated he would definately serve California. Mallya maintains his family residence in the San Francisco suburb of Sausalito.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:49 am

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BOM-SYD
JFK-BOM
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:35 am

It would be nice to see IAD-DEL
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 am

Maybe the self styled "Richard Branson" of India will acquire another Indian airline.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting SkyvanMan (Thread starter):
I'm wondering what possible routes will be operated by Kingfisher

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
Maybe the self styled "Richard Branson" of India will acquire another Indian airline.

Major difference: Branson is making money with (most) of his airlines. Can't see this happening at all at IT. But okay, Vijaya has what a TRILLION GAZILLION FANTAZILLION Rupees to spent on his flying crownjuwel, so..! But a way to profitability for IT could very well be acquirings of competitors - not to gain their markets as such, but to soften competition.

Btw love IT's livery, it's beatiful! But not as nice as IC's new livery! Gonna try IT in 3-4 weeks time CCU-AMD, after my signature flight with IC!.. Hope it'll be on the new livery!

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):
Also, can BOM cope with the A380 at all right now? Not yet, right? I was there two months ago, they were doing a lot of construction (tarmac and taxiways etc.),

BOM will be 380 certified well b4 airbus's 380 delays are sorted out.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 15):
BOM will be 380 certified well b4 airbus's 380 delays are sorted out

The airstrip on Diu Island will be 380 certified by then..  Silly

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:45 am

Kevin777, Try to get pics of the airports and if you ever fly into DEL and can manage pics of its new taxiways, that would be awesome.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 17):
Kevin777, Try to get pics of the airports and if you ever fly into DEL and can manage pics of its new taxiways, that would be awesome.

I'll see what I can do, I'm flying to DEL in three weeks time, during day-time, so it may be possible.. but my camera isn't exactly a.net-quality..!.. It's a bitch to take pics at Indian Airports, they're so overstaffed that there's always an official looking at YOU.. it can be done, but they come out pretty weird sometimes because you hide the camera under the other hand or something.

Got a nice shot at Diu Airport this weekend though, an excellent spotting place indeed! Sadly, the airport sees 6 ATR's a week, that's ALL..!

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 4):
Aah Mumbai routes



Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):
Also, can BOM cope with the A380 at all right now?

Can you just imagine the hell that BOM would be when processing an A380?! Let alone being an A380 home base.. Big, really big changes would be needed for that to happen smoothly.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:53 am

Kevin777,

Cool pic..It would be nice to see the changes in DEL through pics. I agree with you it being overstaffed, good luck taking pics. I can't wait to see how the new terminal would look in about 4 years.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 3):
LAX-BLR
SFO-BOM
BOM-SYD



Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 10):
LAX-BLR
SFO-BOM
BOM-SYD
JFK-BOM
IAH-BLR (MAYBE)

I dont know how IT can have any A380 service to BLR! it is not a 380 certified airport. It's going to be out of BOM & DEL initially, later other cities may come in to picture.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 21):
I dont know how IT can have any A380 service to BLR! it is not a 380 certified airport.

Bangalore (BLR) is getting a new airport which, if I am not mistaken, will be A380 certified.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 18):
s a bitch to take pics at Indian Airports

When I was in MAA in Dec. (BOM-MAA; IXM-MAA; MAA-DXB) there was, atop the international terminal, a long indoors viewing deck. OK, so it was night, but I suspect in the daytime the views would be good. And there wasn't a single official in sight. I have flown into DEL a few times (e.g. on SU IL96 and 772) and into BOM (AI 744; IC 320), but can't recall many, if any, viewing possibilities there. However, while taxiing at BOM (after LHR-BOM = 7.5 hours non-stop; AI 744), I could see an endless amount of parked-for-the-night aircraft. If you're a spotter, get your binoculars and notepad ready!
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:03 am

I remember a thread awhile ago where it said that Kingfisher might also serve DXB at some point with the A380.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
Bangalore (BLR) is getting a new airport which, if I am not mistaken, will be A380 certified.

Sorry dude! new airport (BIAL) runway code is 4E (certified for 747 series). According to ICAO an airport should have runway code 4F for 380 operation.
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 25):
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
Bangalore (BLR) is getting a new airport which, if I am not mistaken, will be A380 certified.

Sorry dude! new airport (BIAL) runway code is 4E (certified for 747 series). According to ICAO an airport should have runway code 4F for 380 operation

AGAIN with the mis information!!!

The A380 will be certified to use any airport the B744 can, unless there is a local limitation interfering (such as an absoulatle weight limited structure). A new airport to Cat4E would have no problem handling A380s.

The airport catergories are not absoultes, like aircraft certification. IF the aircraft is certified to limits which allow it to use a lower cat airport, then it can.

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:47 am

I am assuming there will be no IT non-stop routes from DEL?
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 26):
AGAIN with the mis information!!!

.

Nope, A380 might be able to use any runway which is used by 747, but ICAO has separate runway code 4F for A380 which recommends wider runways and taxiways for A380s. The new BIAL airport is building a runway which will confirm to ICAO 4E standard, and not 4F.

The new BIAL airport on their website clearly states that they will support large aircrafts like "B747" and there is no mention of A380.

ICAO ACTION PLAN FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW LARGER AEROPLANES INTO NTERNATIONAL CIVIL AVIATION SERVICE

REQUIREMENTS FOR CODE F FACILITIES AND THE INTRODUCTION OF A380 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS

INTERIM AERODROME REQUIREMENTS FOR THE A380
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 28):
Nope, A380 might be able to use any runway which is used by 747, but ICAO has separate runway code 4F for A380 which recommends wider runways and taxiways for A380s. The new BIAL airport is building a runway which will confirm to ICAO 4E standard, and not 4F.

Key word is "RECOMMENDS" its NOT mandatory. If the A380 is certified to use runways and taxiways that are 4E it can! And Airbus says it will be.

The reality is that very ,very few airports were built to ANY standard. Most major international airports have ben around since pre or just post WW2, they have "growed like topsey". Sydney is certainly NOT a 4F airport and it will be the home base of QFs 12(+12) A380s. Absoultely necessary modifications are being made, but they will not bring the airport up to Full 4F, it probabley will not even be full 4E.

So a brand new full cat 4E airport COULD most certainly support full A380 operations, weather it wants to is entirey another matter.

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 3):
LAX-BLR
SFO-BOM
BOM-SYD

Why? There is much too much competition on USA-India for an airline like Kingfisher to put an A380 on the route.




I honestly think the kangaroo route is the most probable. LHR-DEL/BOM/BLR-SYD
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 18):
I'll see what I can do, I'm flying to DEL in three weeks time

whats ur schedule, wud you have time to meet up. Am in DEL.

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 18):
Got a nice shot at Diu Airport this weekend though

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:35 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
When I was in MAA in Dec. (BOM-MAA; IXM-MAA; MAA-DXB) there was, atop the international terminal, a long indoors viewing deck. OK, so it was night, but I suspect in the daytime the views would be good. And there wasn't a single official in sight. I have flown into DEL a few times (e.g. on SU IL96 and 772) and into BOM (AI 744; IC 320), but can't recall many, if any, viewing possibilities there. However, while taxiing at BOM (after LHR-BOM = 7.5 hours non-stop; AI 744), I could see an endless amount of parked-for-the-night aircraft. If you're a spotter, get your binoculars and notepad ready!

I've flown out of DEL on a SU IL96 once.. Anyways, it is difficult to spot in India I think unless you're doing it from the inside of an a/c, but this can be OK, too (and no officials..). (look at the number of pics on a.net from India, not a lot..). I think there gotta be some good places for spotting in the slums north of BOM though, coming in from the north you aren't many meters above the shanty's, so maybe there's a chance from a roof-top somewhere - worth finding out! Wouldn't exactly call myself a spotter, with my (3.2 mpixel) camera and my (sincere lacking) interest in a/c registration numbers - but I do f**king love looking at planes!!! (duh!)  Smile

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 24):
I remember a thread awhile ago where it said that Kingfisher might also serve DXB at some point with the A380.

A middle east service might be an option because of the huge Indian workforce in the region, but I don't think DXB would be it. Also, these workers are all over the region, and mainly they don't come from BOM/DEL, but from for instance Kerala; not suited for A380-capacity, economically or technically (A380 at KCH would be quite a sight though..!!!)

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 29):
So a brand new full cat 4E airport COULD most certainly support full A380 operations, weather it wants to is entirey another matter.

Won't enter this debate at all!!! But whether or not BLR is technically ready (or will be in time; 2034?) I don't see the economic viability of an A380 service to BLR.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 30):
I honestly think the kangaroo route is the most probable. LHR-DEL/BOM/BLR-SYD



Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):

Don't know about BOM-SYD with an A380 - unless they opt for some serious connecting traffic at BOM a la EY, EK, QR. And we all know what the yield environment there will be like in a few years time!

Will stick to my previous post on this one.. I don't think BOM/DEL/BLR-SYD would have nearly enough p-t-p to justify 380-service, and going for the connecting from Europe to AUS will have zero chance of ever making a profit..

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:53 pm

VJM had stated that he would like to fly BOM-NYC with a A380 configured in 496 seats that was wat the press release said when they ordere the aircraft.

Also other probablr routes would be

India -- LHR ---seeeing how slot constraint LHR is [1 aircraft]

BOM-JFK/EWR [2 aircrafts]

HYD/MAA/BLR-NRT/HKG--LAX/SFO [2 aircrafts]

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:33 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 31):
whats ur schedule, wud you have time to meet up. Am in DEL.

I'm just in transfer in Delhi sadly (my signature flight) - staying in Ahmedabad for another month though

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 31):
enjoyed the Nagoa beach?

Oh yes.. But not as much as the drunk locals! An alcohol zone in a state where alcohol is banned can only result in a lot of fun!

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 32):
I don't think BOM/DEL/BLR-SYD would have nearly enough p-t-p to justify 380-service, and going for the connecting from Europe to AUS will have zero chance of ever making a profit..

Would you like to state your reason? EK, SQ, MS, CX, TG all do the kangaroo route. India is in the center of the two countries, thus making it the most viable. LHR-BOM-SYD could be very profitable.
 
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 35):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 32):
I don't think BOM/DEL/BLR-SYD would have nearly enough p-t-p to justify 380-service, and going for the connecting from Europe to AUS will have zero chance of ever making a profit..

Would you like to state your reason?

Would you like look at my previous posts?:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 32):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 7):

Don't know about BOM-SYD with an A380 - unless they opt for some serious connecting traffic at BOM a la EY, EK, QR. And we all know what the yield environment there will be like in a few years time!

I even repeated it!

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 35):
EK, SQ, MS, CX, TG all do the kangaroo route. India is in the center of the two countries, thus making it the most viable. LHR-BOM-SYD could be very profitable.

Exactly. So do other airlines as well. But they're pulling out for good reasons. As I pointed out, a BOM-SYD route would have to rely heavily on 6th freedom traffic - as you also mention in your post - but the yield environment here is terrible, and it is only getting worse with all the capacity bound for EK, QR and EY. (maybe) lower wages in India wouldn't do it alone at all. And might I had: Nothing against BOM, but if you're flying LHR-SYD, where would you rather connect? DXB? SIN? HKG? etc... or BOM???...

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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:57 am

All i want is a non-stop service from IAD-DEL..whether it be IT, AI or UA!!
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RE: Kingfisher A380 Routes

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 34):
Oh yes.. But not as much as the drunk locals! An alcohol zone in a state where alcohol is banned can only result in a lot of fun!

i have spent a good 3 years in Baroda and Anand. We used to often drive down to Diu for our booze binges... smetimes to Mt. Abu also.

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