sstsomeday
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How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:21 am

In a recent, unrelated article, Airwise.com described Boeing as "the world's second largest aircraft manufacturer..."

I was wondering by what basis that distinction is determined? Is it the value of a/c DELIVERED in the previous calendar year, or is it some combination of that along with:

1) stock price?
2) value of assets?
3) number of work force?
4) total number of a/c on order?
5) Total value of a/c on order?
6) number of a/c ordered in the last calendar year?
7) profit?

By the way, since most of us regular folk are not privy to the ACTUAL price paid for an airliner, how is it determined who has higher sales in given year based on "value," especially when the numbers are as close as they are at the moment?

I can certainly see how Airbus beat Boeing for perhaps the first half of this decade. However, since Boeing reportedly led Airbus in terms of the value of their orders in 2005, and at least until Airbus gets 380s and 350s rolling out the door, which seems severval years out, I wonder if Boeing will regain the distinction of largest manufacturer in the near future?

In other words, even though Boeing had a higher value in orders last year, will it take several years of ramping up their production and an EIS for the 787 for it to translate into regaining their "largest manufacturer title" for a while?

Of course, maybe Airbus will sell another 200 320s this week which will make my entire post MUTE...  Wink
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:36 am

It is generally in fact aircraft delivered.

If it was value of or number of orders than Boeing would be winning.
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1):
It is generally in fact aircraft delivered.

If it was value of or number of orders than Boeing would be winning.

Would you say, therefore, if Boeing has a consistently larger backlog in the foreseeable future, that that would logically, eventually lead to more deliveries per year (or greater value delivered,) especially due to delays with the 380 and 350, which would reposition Boeing as the "largest manufacturer?"

In that case we probably have to wait for the 787 production to get into full swing for Boeing to regain it's "largest manufactorer" title.
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1):
It is generally in fact aircraft delivered.

Yeah... in general they count the number of aircraft physically built and delivered. Which may or may not by valid...

Cessna delivered 1157 aircraft in 2005. Thats almost twice as many as Boeing and Airbus combined. So is Cessna the largest A/C manufacturer? NO... just builds the most planes each year (and has for a while).

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aia/i...FE9C27-3A36-49B1-879D-4C6FA368103C
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 3):
Cessna delivered 1157 aircraft in 2005

Wow. I knew Cessna made alot of aircraft, but I didnt know it was that many.
Average 3.2 a/c per DAY!
One a/c complete every 7.5 hours! Every DAY. For a year!

I bet there are times Boeing and Airbus wish they could make a/c that fast.
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):

yeah... and the crazy part of that is including 247 Cessna Business Jets!

Actually i finally found the Cessna Production/Sales sheet. Shows EVERY year.

http://cessna.com/about_cessna/sales_report.pdf (1155 is their count).
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:41 am

In 1940, Boeing took the B-17 from design to flight test in 12 months, by 1942 they were building 60 a month and ramping up. In March of 1944, they hit peak production at 362 for that month, with 16 rolled out in 24 hours.

It's been done before.
 
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RE: How Is "Largest A/C Manufactorer" Measured?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 6):
In March of 1944, they hit peak production at 362 for that month, with 16 rolled out in 24 hours.

Don't forget that they didn't build these aircraft from start to finish during that time.
They just rolled out 16 that day. Granted that is still an impressive feat but lets not lose sight of how they were building aircraft at the time.

They had DOZENS of the B-17's being assembled at the same time all crammed into the final assembly building. Multiple times that of subassembly peices being built even faster behind them. Its was quite the procedure. The pictures are amazing to see.

[Edited 2006-10-27 20:59:22]
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