AJMIA
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Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:34 am

With the mess going on at BWIA I am seeing a lot of passengers flying AA to BGI and POS, then making connections to PMB and GEO. Just this year I am seeing a lot more GEO & PMB passengers than I have ever seen before.

This may be a good time for AA to make a run at these markets from MIA.

Once BWIA changes their name to Caribbean Star (dumb idea as far as I am concerned) they will loose alot of their brand recognition on the route.

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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:41 am

That is actually a perennial question. AA does have an agent in GEO and has toyed with flying there on occasion but has never actually done so.

GEO is not a particularly high-yield destination and is actually a fairly small travel market. Most of the traffic there is VFR and brand loyalty to BW, which is the largest carrier to it, is very strong. Guyanese airlines such as Guyana Airways and more recently Universal have tried to maintain more direct routes to the US and Canada but have folded for a variety of reasons. To JFK, too, there is NA which has actually been very successful to GEO and has had Guyana as its main scheduled destination for many years. With this combination of carriers to this relatively small destination there is little room for AA though it may well try in the future.

As for PBM, the same is largely true except that Suriname's population is even smaller and the strong, former colonial ties with The Netherlands means that a huge proportion of the travel market from there is to AMS rather than to North America. Suriname Airways and BW provide links to the USA. An AA presence there is even less likely.

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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:35 am

There is definitley potential for AA to fly MIA-GEO and MIA-PBM, 3x weekly each, as well as MIA-CAY. I don't think we will see it happen soon, but in the more long-term future (3-4 years) it would not surprise me.
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:54 am

Why would they wan't to launch MIA-PBM? There arent much flights to PBM, only from Holland because of the Surinam people living here, and there is hardly any toerism business there...
 
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
Why would they wan't to launch MIA-PBM? There arent much flights to PBM, only from Holland because of the Surinam people living here, and there is hardly any toerism business there...

Excellent yields and a sizeable Surinam community in South Florida, plus cargo revenue. Let's say they fly three weekly 738s. The flights average load factor would definitley be low - probably in the high-40s/low-50s, but the yields and cargo revenue could make the flight very profitable. Also, new air links can develop tourism links.
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:31 am

Could GEO, PBM, or CAY be served by an American Eagle ATR-72 out of SJU, or are they beyond the ATR-72's range?
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
Once BWIA changes their name to Caribbean Star (dumb idea as far as I am concerned) they will loose alot of their brand recognition on the route.

They are changing to Caribbean Airlines, but yes the thought continues, very dumb idea.

While on that AA, could do well with a few flights into GND every week. While a small island, we can sustain a few more carriers, maybe not on a daily flight but 3 times weekly sounds good to me.
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:11 am

Would love to see this happen

maybe 3 or 4 weekly 738's from MIA
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:33 am

I think any two of those three cities (CAY, PBM, GEO) would be one of those rare cases where they'd do well as a roundabout (ie MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA) since they are low load factor markets separately, close together, and somewhat high yield.
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I think any two of those three cities (CAY, PBM, GEO) would be one of those rare cases where they'd do well as a roundabout (ie MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA) since they are low load factor markets separately, close together, and somewhat high yield.

Very good point. I agree that a round about could work. GEO, however, can actually do a good job filling a plane, but it is heavily seasonal. I think that AA could serve all three by doing, for example, MIA-GEO-CAY-MIA 2x weekly and MIA-PBM-GEO-MIA 2x weekly, with 738s.

Getting to Cayenne from the US mainland is a huge pain. The quickest way to get there is Air France's MIA-CAY flight, but it is a hopper flight that stops in FDF and PTP. AF's MIA-CAY service is blocked at a longer time than their own CAY-ORY non-stop!
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:47 am

With the presence of BW and NA on the JFK-GEO route, don't expect to see AA there anytime soon. The route simply cannot sustain 3 airlines yearround. MIA has a much smaller expatriate population than NYC and it's pretty well served by one airline year round, in this case, BW.

It would probabily take at least one of these airlines dropping out of the picture before AA decides to venture in.
 
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 1):
To JFK, too, there is NA which has actually been very successful to GEO



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 1):
With this combination of carriers to this relatively small destination there is little room for AA though it may well try in the future.

Lets face it, if AA were to start a JFK-GEO route, how long do you think it would take for NA to run yelping for the hills? AA would not consider NA to be much of an obstacle if they wanted to start a route. And for that matter, I doubt this new silly re-incarnation of BW would be much of a problem for AA in any market either. I predict an even bigger AA presence in the Carib area in the very near future with both BW and JM floundering about as they are.
 
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RE: Why NOT -- AA To GEO And PMB?

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting AirFranceJFK (Reply 10):
With the presence of BW and NA on the JFK-GEO route, don't expect to see AA there anytime soon.

I doubt AA sees either as a threat. Also, any AA service to GEO would be from MIA.
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