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Click!

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RobK...there have been quite a few 787 barrel photos around...here is one from Boeing's web site a while ago..

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Quoting RobK (Thread starter):
Click!

Hi RobK. Thanks for your enthusiasm, and, good eye! I did enjoy the "candid" perspective of your photo.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
there have been quite a few 787 barrel photos around...here is one from Boeing's web site a while ago

Hi Jacobin777. Thanks, as always, for being one of A.net's premier contributors. I don't know how you maintain such an extensive knowledge base of aviation news and information, but, you do. You are simply amazing (as is your namesake aircraft!)

I think it is exciting to "witness" the birth of the Dreamliner step-by-step. Almost as much fun as having a baby (easy for us males to say!)  Silly

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Bit smaller than you expect isn't it. The J cabin mockup of the 787 seems much more spacious
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
RobK...there have been quite a few 787 barrel photos around...here is one from Boeing's web site a while ago..

 Sad

Quoting N31029 (Reply 2):
Hi RobK. Thanks for your enthusiasm, and, good eye! I did enjoy the "candid" perspective of your photo.

Thanks but I can't take the credit for the photo, it's credit of Matt Cawby / Skyline Photography.

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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
RobK...there have been quite a few 787 barrel photos around...here is one from Boeing's web site a while ago..

Whoops...don't know what happened there..but here is the photo..



Source:Boeing Media...

Quoting N31029 (Reply 2):

Hi Jacobin777. Thanks, as always, for being one of A.net's premier contributors. I don't know how you maintain such an extensive knowledge base of aviation news and information, but, you do. You are simply amazing (as is your namesake aircraft!)

Thank you very much for the kind word N31029.... Smile

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Actually I'm on my way to SJC to take some photos...which unfortunately includes AA's last 777 flight from NRT (AA is ending SJC-NRT-SJC after 15 years)....in fact, there will be no more 777's @ NRT..only a few 767's..that's about it..such a sad loss... Sad

Quoting N31029 (Reply 2):
I think it is exciting to "witness" the birth of the Dreamliner step-by-step. Almost as much fun as having a baby (easy for us males to say!)  silly 

I agree, it's amazing to see how such a new plane is transforming and being built....I've seen a video of a mandrel spinning the fuselsage of the 787..simply amazing! I wish I could find it though... Sad
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When are they going to have one up and flying?
 
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Quoting N31029 (Reply 2):

Have you been smoking something?


Sorry just a while since we have seen such enthusiasm on here. Big grin At first I though you were being a sarcastic son of a b**** then I realised yhou weren't. Big grin
 
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Will all the pieces come pre-painted or is it just because it is the first piece they wanted it to look nice.
 
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When are they going to have one up and flying?

In less than 1 year. Sometime during Q3 2007.
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Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
Bit smaller than you expect isn't it. The J cabin mockup of the 787 seems much more spacious

Probably due to the thinner-than-usual skin due to composite usage.
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hello,

not to steal the thread but still related,

could some one expand or explain how composite parts are painted....for B or A.
I ask this because it seems the composite parts on AA's A300's are painted differently than the aluminum parts...
Is it the same case for the 787...it looks this way based on the picture shown above

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Funny if that got into the DB.

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I have no idea how 8 or 9 seats abreast are going to be fit in that fuselage barrell. It must just be my perspective, but that thing does not look very wide at all! I wish there was a person or something standing nearby so as to gain some perspective. Just looking at the door though, and the windows (which I know are proportionally larger) I just can't picture it. oh well!

Edit: Typographical Error

[Edited 2006-10-28 21:28:02]
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Quoting AA777223 (Reply 13):
It must just be my perspective, but that thing does nto look very wide at all!

it probably is just an optical/perspective thing...

I also thought that maybe this pic is towards the back or front of the plane, so the section we are seeing naturally tapers and we are looking at the tapered section.
I am not sure...just a thought....maybe you an figure it out by the paint. door and windows (what section we are looking at)....??
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Quoting AA777223 (Reply 13):
I have no idea how 8 or 9 seats abreast are going to be fit in that fuselage barrell. It must just be my perspective, but that thing does nto look very wide at all!

Beware that the barrel above (Reply 1) is a conical rear section, what you see is the rear end, where the cross-section is already reduced in area. Moreover, the large cabin windows are quite deceptive, they make barrels look decidedly single-aisle to me.
 
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
In less than 1 year. Sometime during Q3 2007.

Too late for Paris, but definitely in time for Farnborough.
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Me too! That thing looks just like the fuselage of a 797 (Y1, 737RS, what have you). I think part of the problem is that brace in the middle appears to be about as wide as a walkway, but it must be much larger. I think its just funny how tha camera can play tricks. Now how wide is the 787 in relation to the 777, A34/30, A350XWB, etc?
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Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 8):
Will all the pieces come pre-painted or is it just because it is the first piece they wanted it to look nice.

One of the things Boeing are testing is how well the paint adheres. I believe different test barrel sections are getting different paint compounds.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 17):
Now how wide is the 787 in relation to the 777, A34/30, A350XWB, etc?

Exterior dimensions are:
A340: 222x222"
B787: 226x235"
A350: TBD
B777: 244x244"

Because the CFRP fuselage of the B787 will allow much thinner sidewalls, the interior space of the B787 will be nearer to that of the B777 than the numbers above suggest.
 
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Because the CFRP fuselage of the B787 will allow much thinner sidewalls

To me the fuselage frames of the 787 don't look much different from the 777 in web height, that doesn't seem to support your claim.

Your claim is valid for fuselages with sandwhich skins, like Hawker Horizon or Premier One, as compared to metal skin/stringer/frame shells.
 
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I was under the impression that the interior dimensions of the 787 were not going to be that far from the 777, and almost the same as the A350 XWB. I didn't realize the exterior was going to be so close to the A340. That seem strange that they would cut it so close after airbus got in such hot water on the oringal A350, but I do realize the 787 is a 767 replacement, and the A350/A340 are 777 competitors/ replacements. Those thinner walls must be quite a bit thinner!
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Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 20):
To me the fuselage frames of the 787 don't look much different from the 777 in web height, that doesn't seem to support your claim.

Whether they look different or not, they are. Compare numbers, rather than photographs, and you'll see the difference.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 20):
Your claim is valid for fuselages with sandwhich skins, like Hawker Horizon or Premier One, as compared to metal skin/stringer/frame shells.

The B787 has integrated stringers.
 
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The windows on the 787 are something like 10-20% larger than the average aircraft window. I'm not too sure on the percentage or actual dimensions, but I remember hearing that somewhere.
 
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
Whether they look different or not, they are. Compare numbers, rather than photographs, and you'll see the difference.

I am used to compare drawings or fumble the real thing

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
The B787 has integrated stringers.

787 fuselage skin has co-bonded (not exactly integral) hat-section stringers similar in height to the L- or T-section stringers you have in metal airplanes. You may be surprised to find that there are some riveted L-section stringers in the 787 skin as well (e.g. for longitudinal floor attachment)
 
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We are working on tooling for drilling the composites where i work.....

I dont think anyone has completed the sections plane #1 yet. Companies in japan are close on wing sections.

All the pics are of test/show pieces. The first nose & barrells have had early production issues (out of manufacturing tolerances). So they are used for testing purposes.

Yes the windows are oversize, and i believe the door and 6-8inch width of door frame will be attached later. So you are seeing oversize holes in all accounts. The barrels are large...it just does not look that way.
 
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I'm surprised they don't cover it for protection when they transport it.
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 27):
I'm surprised they don't cover it for protection when they transport it.

odds are they are transporting it to show off somewhere.....and then destructive testing. So why spend money for covering.
 
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Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 24):
787 fuselage skin has co-bonded (not exactly integral) hat-section stringers similar in height to the L- or T-section stringers you have in metal airplanes. You may be surprised to find that there are some riveted L-section stringers in the 787 skin as well (e.g. for longitudinal floor attachment)

According to Boeing and others, they are integrated stringers:

"To take full advantage of the properties of composite materials, the team has invented an assembly method that allows for the efficient, consistent production of large fuselage sections with integrated stringers."

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2005/june/cover.html

"But for the 787, KHI will create a one-piece barrel with significantly fewer connectors because the stringers (horizontal reinforcing components) are an integrated part of the structure—just like all other 787 fuselage sections."

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2006/july/cover.pdf

"To make the 7E7 composite airframe, robotic arms apply layers of resin-infused carbon-fiber tape around a central cylindrical tool to form complete sections, including outer tube and internal stringers. "Aircraft designers have often dreamed of making the fuselage section with no joins," said Gillette, who then motioned with his arm to the two-story airplane section behind him. "This is one part number."

http://www.e-composites.com/frontend/newspage.aspx?sno=2297

However, according to http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ation/253/193024/Broken+Mould.html

"Stringers are co-bonded into the structure in the autoclave and composite frames will run the length of the fuselage, as will composite floor beams and panels."

http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2005/May/865/2

"The composite frames are attached to the fuselage skin through carbon composite shear ties. Although Boeing is treating the frame design as confidential, the one photograph of the frame/fuselage assembly that has been released (bottom photo, this page) shows a separate "foot" between the longitudinal hat stringers, to better distribute the shear loads."
 
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Because the CFRP fuselage of the B787 will allow much thinner sidewalls, the interior space of the B787 will be nearer to that of the B777 than the numbers above suggest.

It's non-circular shape will allow a significant cargo advantage for its size as well.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
Bit smaller than you expect isn't it. The J cabin mockup of the 787 seems much more spacious

It's kind of hard to get a good sense of perspective in that picture though.
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Quoting Khobar (Reply 29):
According to Boeing and others, they are integrated stringers:

Beware that the editor of a company magazine usually is a technical layman. "Integrated" is a non-specific term. Technically, a stringer is either "differential" (separate part riveted or bonded to skin) or "integral" (being single-piece with the skin, like machined from plate or extruded). Co-curing, diffusion bonding and welding could be considered as creating integral structures, but maybe not quite in terms of crack propagation if the bond or weld is weak.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 29):
The composite frames are attached to the fuselage skin through carbon composite shear ties

I wouldn't be surprised if the shear ties connecting the frames to the skin had been changed to titanium in the meantime.

[Edited 2006-10-29 00:53:15]
 
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
oting Hamster (Reply 6):
When are they going to have one up and flying?

In less than 1 year. Sometime during Q3 2007.

wow i didn't think this early

when do you think they are going to unveil it?
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 7):
Quoting N31029 (Reply 2):


Have you been smoking something?


Sorry just a while since we have seen such enthusiasm on here. At first I though you were being a sarcastic son of a b**** then I realised yhou weren't.

Hi BA787. Once you get to know me you will find that my posts are never meant to hurt anyone. Just the opposite - I believe in building up people, and, I sincerely care about others.

I believe in being nice, even if it is old-fashioned. RobK is, after all, a fellow A.netter, and he took the time and trouble to post a picture for us to enjoy.

RobK believed he was posting something interesting and wanted to share it. I for one thought it was a cool picture. I have been to the exact site where the photograph was taken and it lends futher perspective and builds additional excitement around the Dreamliner's emergence.

This post has expanded nicely and with the additional insights of such A.net experts as Zvezda, we have a vibrant and interesting thread.

I believe this is what it is all about.

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Quoting Walter747 (Reply 33):
when do you think they are going to unveil it?

I don't know.

I would assume that it will roll out 3-4 months before first flight, like most programs. That means somewhere in April or May.

Who knows, they might be able to surprise the world and fly it to Paris for a static display. But they could only do that if they were absolutely sure it was safe to do so. They'd likely do it with short hops, maybe 5 or 6.

But I really doubt they'd do that. But one can dream...
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Quoting N31029 (Reply 34):
This post has expanded nicely and with the additional insights of such A.net experts as Zvezda, we have a vibrant and interesting thread.

Thank you for the kind words!
 
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Love her already,even if it's a little prematue. As with all newborns,she'll grow into one big beautiful baby Boeing !!  cutie   airplane 
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 38):
Who knows, they might be able to surprise the world and fly it to Paris for a static display. But they could only do that if they were absolutely sure it was safe to do so. They'd likely do it with short hops, maybe 5 or 6.

But I really doubt they'd do that. But one can dream...

That is why I am saving up to go to Farnborough instead. I am also better at English than French.
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
Thank you for the kind words!

You are entirely welcome; it is praise most deserved.

All of us on A.net appreciate your knowledge base, and, more importantly your willingness to share openly and freely. You have helped many, including myself, to become more learned regarding civil aviation.

Plus, as a bonus, you are an excellent writer. With an broad background in communications, I for one sincerely admire your superb command of language and grammar!

Take care and thanks for the level to which you elevate A.net and its forums.

Blessings, N31029

[Edited 2006-10-29 02:50:44]
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I dont understand the manufacturing process. Don't you have to tool up and build a manufacturing line before they can build planes? How does Airbus build 380's before the manufacturing plant is set up? How do they have problems before they even have a manufacturing plant line? Will they be building this 787 without a manufacturing plant line set up?
 
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
in fact, there will be no more 777's @ NRT

Doesn't UA operate SIN - NRT with a 777

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Quoting Ag92 (Reply 42):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
in fact, there will be no more 777's @ NRT

Doesn't UA operate SIN - NRT with a 777

Hi Ag92.

I believe Jacobin777 was referring to AA 777s only.

Blessings, N31029
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I really don't like the look of this plane. Its small and personally my gut feeling is that it is just a glorified 767. Sure it has revolutionary features but I feel as though I'd rather look to an airline that had other aircraft with wider bodies for my travels.

Its a bashful statement, but I'm comfortable in saying that I hope I never get one one.
 
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Quoting N31029 (Reply 39):



Quoting N31029 (Reply 33):



Quoting N31029 (Reply 31):

Added you to my RY, partly out of disbelief, partly out of admiration
 
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 41):
Added you to my RY, partly out of disbelief, partly out of admiration

Hi BA787. Thank you for the kind words. You are very generous.

I am very glad to make your acquaintance as well.

Despite only having joined A.net in June of this year, you have quickly established yourself as a very prolific contributor. I look forward to more of your posts.

Blessings, N31029
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Quoting N31029 (Reply 31):
Once you get to know me you will find that my posts are never meant to hurt anyone. Just the opposite - I believe in building up people, and, I sincerely care about others.

I believe in being nice, even if it is old-fashioned. RobK is, after all, a fellow A.netter, and he took the time and trouble to post a picture for us to enjoy.

great to hear this kind of attitude around here... with people having this kind of spirit it just improves the over all vibe of the forum

welcome to my rsu list!!!

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Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 29):
Beware that the editor of a company magazine usually is a technical layman. "Integrated" is a non-specific term. Technically, a stringer is either "differential" (separate part riveted or bonded to skin) or "integral" (being single-piece with the skin, like machined from plate or extruded). Co-curing, diffusion bonding and welding could be considered as creating integral structures, but maybe not quite in terms of crack propagation if the bond or weld is weak.

Rheinbote is correct, the stringers are not part of the fuselage skin but probably co-cured with it in the autoclave.
There are two reasons why it is not possible to build stringers as part of the skin.
1. Manufacturing the stringers on the skin using the rolling ATL method is impossible, unless they make the skin thicker and then machine it. This would involve machining the inside of the stringers (in the case of the top hat design) so hence...impossible.

2. The fibre direction in the skin and and the stringers is not the same, because of different loads that the 2 are designed to take. I would expect the fibre direction on the stringers to be something like 80/10/10, while on the fuse skin 45/45/10...but I could be wrong on this.
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Quoting N31029 (Reply 39):
Quoting Ag92 (Reply 42):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
in fact, there will be no more 777's @ NRT

Doesn't UA operate SIN - NRT with a 777

Hi Ag92.

I believe Jacobin777 was referring to AA 777s only.

Blessings, N31029

So, is the DFW-NRT service with 777 also being discontinued by AA?
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Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 37):
I dont understand the manufacturing process. Don't you have to tool up and build a manufacturing line before they can build planes? How does Airbus build 380's before the manufacturing plant is set up? How do they have problems before they even have a manufacturing plant line? Will they be building this 787 without a manufacturing plant line set up?

You do risk more problems in manufacturing before everything is set up (A380) but it is more important to the company to deliver ASAP and deal with delays that come with production.

Boeing (when i say this I also mean all the sub contractors) spent years working on the composite sections. Preparing winding machines and doing test layups. Those machines begin construction ASAP. As they are doing that companies in germany finish the giant drilling/fastening machines that will attach the inner components to the external frame.

At the same time as the machines are being built hundreds of thousands of dollars are spend on drills, drill countersinks to drill Composite, composite/aluminum, aluminum/composite/aluminum, composite titianium, in all different thicknesses that may be used on the aircraft so when the machine arrives they have the exaxt specifications for drilling.

Boeing said last week they have teams 'witch hunting' looking for any problem that may arrive. Actually teams that are told there are problems now go and find them before it becomes to expensive later. Somes teams specialize in looking for problems in Titanum or composite deliveries, or door manufacturing, wiring.

As for tooling. One mold that the weave will be wrapped around is made...then it is used. product tested. Instead of giant automated drilling machines that could drill a barrell in a day or two it will be carfully hand drilled taking a month or more to prep it.

Then you evaluate the mold and see if it works...then make another if you change specs.

Thats why the first plane takes a year rather then the weeks to do later on.
 
khobar
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RE: Photo Of Boeing 787 Section Being Transported

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 44):
Rheinbote is correct, the stringers are not part of the fuselage skin but probably co-cured with it in the autoclave.
There are two reasons why it is not possible to build stringers as part of the skin.
1. Manufacturing the stringers on the skin using the rolling ATL method is impossible, unless they make the skin thicker and then machine it. This would involve machining the inside of the stringers (in the case of the top hat design) so hence...impossible.

The 787 stringers are laid on the mandrel first. The fuselage skin is then formed over the stringers using the rolling ATL method. The entire assembly, skin and stringers combined, is then autoclaved. Thus the skin and stringers come out as a single unit, hence the reference to the stringers being "integral". Rheinbote states that "co-curing, diffusion bonding and welding could be considered as creating integral structures," and you say he's correct. So what's the disagreement?
 
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RE: Photo Of Boeing 787 Section Being Transported

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
In less than 1 year. Sometime during Q3 2007.

Some of the first Japan parts will be moved by ship but the first LCF delivery is in early to mid January (I just heard the first half of January). Like the A380 where parts can be seen being transported around the world. The loading or 787 parts will be visible to many. Here at NGO loading of the LCF can be seen from Parking lot 3 (about 200m from the International Remote stands). It can also be seen from the Observation deck. The loading of barges and the floating of parts from KHI and MHI can be seen at Nagoya port and at the NGO port from the Centrair hotel, the new Comfort Inn being built and the roof of parking lots 1 and 2.

Looking forward to seeing this baby being built.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
hamster
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RE: Photo Of Boeing 787 Section Being Transported

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:01 pm

This could be a logistical nightmare or not. Boeing has to rely on the perfections and faults of their company and compound that with perfections and shortfalls of many subs from all around the world. I have a subaru with 208k miles built by fuji so i think they will be doing good work but what about all the other subs and boeing as well?

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