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FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:39 am

AirTran will, afterall, resume non-stop Rochester and Pittsburgh service from Fort Lauderdale, albeit at less frequency than before.

Rochester service resumes 21 December 2006 as daily, but will revert to Saturday-only on quickly on 6 January 2006.

Pittsburgh service resumes 17 February 2007 as Saturday-only.

Rochester and Pittsburgh brings to thirteen the total number of destinations served by airTran from Fort Lauderdale: Akron/Canton, Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News/Willaismburg, Philadelphia, Stewart/Newburgh, and White Plains/Westchester County.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Rochester and Pittsburgh brings to thirteen the total number of destinations served by airTran from Fort Lauderdale: Akron/Canton, Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News/Willaismburg, Philadelphia, Stewart/Newburgh, and White Plains/Westchester County.

How many of those do they compete with DL?
How many have NO nonstop competition?
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:53 am

ROC-FLL has no other competition . FL also does daily 717 service to TPA & MCO from ROC. Comair had CR1 service ROC-MCO over the summmer only.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:00 am

DL has a lot of competition with FL at ATL, BOS nonstop
NW at DTW, IND
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):

How many of those do they compete with DL?
How many have NO nonstop competition?

Two compete with Delta, Atlanta and Boston.

There is no other non-stop airline to Akron/Canton, Biloxi/Gulfport, Newport News/Williamsburg, Rochester, and White Plains/Westchester County.

[Edited 2006-10-29 04:31:17]
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:39 am

While I am happy to see FL resuming PIT-FLL, why is it Sat. only? Sat. only is almost pointless in my opinion. I am guessing this flight is operated to help cater to the Cruise industry!
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 5):
Sat. only is almost pointless in my opinion. I am guessing this flight is operated to help cater to the Cruise industry!

That's pretty much it, but Sunday is actually the busiest day at POE/POM. I wonder why they aren't doing Sat and Sun?

Edit: I also see why it's daily for the Holidays. Cruise ships have an eratic schedule that week as the cruises are built around Christmas and New Years. Many of the 7 day cruises become 3-5 day cruises for the holiday. Add the VFR pax and that is why it's daily only that short period of time

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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:22 am

Saturday is usually the weakest day for business travel but among the strongest days for vacation travel. Filling a Florida nonstop on Saturday in winter is like fishing in a barrel, and business demand to Atlanta is lowest on Saturday. So in several instances AirTran trims an Atlanta nonstop and instead sends the plane down to Florida once per week.
 
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:21 am

I guess we can all count on PIT-FLL service being terminated once again then... Why can't they do two or three times weekly including Saturdays to cater more to the business travelers out of PIT? Or aren't there enough to sustain that kind of service? What kind of equip are they using, and what is the fare?
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
What kind of equip are they using, and what is the fare?

ROC only gets 717's ......
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Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 9):
ROC only gets 717's ......

So does PIT with their 4X 717s and 1X 717 to ATL and MCO respectively. Didn't FL run a 737 on FLL or was that a 717 as well?
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:12 pm

AFAIK,ROC has only gotten 717's ever since FL started here . I know BUF got DC9's . We don't have scheduled NG737 service here,just 300/400/500's and the occasional -200 from Charters like Ryan.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
So does PIT with their 4X 717s and 1X 717 to ATL and MCO respectively. Didn't FL run a 737 on FLL or was that a 717 as well?

PIT doesn't get B737s from FL unless they are filling in! I heard PIT-ATL might be going to 5 daily flights this winter. This is just a rumor!
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:33 am

I remain surprised that FL is not restarting ROC-FLL on a daily basis. There is no nonstop competition. As MAH noted in another recent thread, ROC-South Florida has over 270 daily passengers, more than half again as many as fly ROC-TPA which does have an FL nonstop. Maybe JetBlue with its apparently greater market presence and brand loyalty in South Florida could run the route daily with an EMB-190.

I'd like to see an FL 73G in ROC too. I'd guess our best bet for that one, if anything, would be the early-AM ATL flight during the summer. Not likely, IMO, but we can always hope.

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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
heard PIT-ATL might be going to 5 daily flights this winter. This is just a rumor!

It would be nice to see this rumor become reality...
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 13):
I remain surprised that FL is not restarting ROC-FLL on a daily basis. There is no nonstop competition. As MAH noted in another recent thread, ROC-South Florida has over 270 daily passengers, more than half again as many as fly ROC-TPA which does have an FL nonstop. Maybe JetBlue with its apparently greater market presence and brand loyalty in South Florida could run the route daily with an EMB-190.

I think the problem is as you hinted, like Southwest and unlike jetBlue, airTran has a weak local cusomter base in South Florida. Despite airTran's non-stop, jetBlue carriers over 30% of FLL-ROC traffic.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
airTran has a weak local cusomter base in South Florida.

Couple that with relatively low O&D to FLL from PIT, and I guess that's why PIT-FLL is Saturday only. That along with the Cruise travelers...
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):

Couple that with relatively low O&D to FLL from PIT, and I guess that's why PIT-FLL is Saturday only. That along with the Cruise travelers...

O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.

Hahaha, would never know it with the rather low amount of frequencies we get:

PIT-MIA

American Eagle: (1x daily ERD)

US Airways: (Sat. only service B734----Begins November 4, 2006)

PIT-FLL

US Airways: (1x B734 and 1x A321)

AirTran Airways: (Sat. only service B717---Begins February 17, 2007)
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
US Airways: (Sat. only service B734----Begins November 4, 2006)

Goes daily 3 January 2007.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Goes daily 3 January 2007.

US will do 3X daily PIT-MIA???
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 20):
US will do 3X daily PIT-MIA???

No, PIT-MIA will become once daily B733 service on January 3, 2007. As of November 4, 2006 the service will be Sat. only service using a B734.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 21):
No, PIT-MIA will become once daily B733 service on January 3, 2007. As of November 4, 2006 the service will be Sat. only service using a B734.

Hmmm... Could US be attempting to bring back some mainline service???

A little off topic, but do you or anyone else on here see WN or any other airline adding other FLA markets given that Florida is the 6th largest travel market out of PIT?
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
O&D is anything but low. South Florida is the 6th largest travel market from Pittsburgh.

If you're referring to Air travel market, South Florida does not appear in the top 10 Destinations from PIT. However, MCO (Orlando) is 4th with about 300K annual passengers. So unless you include MCO in South Florida, I'm a little confused as to where you're getting your numbers.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 23):

If you're referring to Air travel market, South Florida does not appear in the top 10 Destinations from PIT. However, MCO (Orlando) is 4th with about 300K annual passengers. So unless you include MCO in South Florida, I'm a little confused as to where you're getting your numbers.

The numbers come straight from DOT. South Florida is three airports - MIA, FLL, and PBI, which makes it the 7th largest Pittsburgh travel market (I made a mistake in saying 6th, because that figure does not combine the five Los Angeles airports).
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
The numbers come straight from DOT. South Florida is three airports - MIA, FLL, and PBI, which makes it the 7th largest Pittsburgh travel market (I made a mistake in saying 6th, because that figure does not combine the five Los Angeles airports).

Ok, except I do not beleive the DOT combines those airports into one Destination called" South Florida". You're doing it to make a personal point - which is OK. I think it is correct to state that the DOT does not list "South Florida" as a single entity in the top 10 Destinations from PIT.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 25):

Ok, except I do not beleive the DOT combines those airports into one Destination called" South Florida". You're doing it to make a personal point - which is OK. I think it is correct to state that the DOT does not list "South Florida" as a single entity in the top 10 Destinations from PIT.

Correct, DOT does not combine the airports into South Florida, each is seperate. They also do not combine the airports in Los Angeles, nor in San Francisco, nor do they combine Islip or White Plains into New York City; Sanford into Orlando; or Baltimore into Regan/Dulles.

They do combine Newark/LaGuardia/JFK, O'Hare/Midway, DFW/Love, Dulles/Regan, and George Bush/Hobby.

It is unfortunate the DOT has inconsistent practices for combining airports, because MIA/FLL/PBI and LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA/BUR are just as much one market as ORD/MDW, IAD/DCA, etc.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
The numbers come straight from DOT. South Florida is three airports - MIA, FLL, and PBI, which makes it the 7th largest Pittsburgh travel market (I made a mistake in saying 6th, because that figure does not combine the five Los Angeles airports).

Are there, or will ther be any flights to LGB, BUR, ONT, or Orange County, other than US LAX service?
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):

It is unfortunate the DOT has inconsistent practices for combining airports, because MIA/FLL/PBI and LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA/BUR are just as much one market as ORD/MDW, IAD/DCA, etc.

Yes it is. It is also very problematic from a customer point of view. It is extremely confusing to those of us who live in South Florida and have access to all airports.
It would be so much easier to consider it all one big market. I, myself, who follows the industry, has a hard time knowing what the rules are. Some airlines consider MIA/FLL one city pair, others don't. That makes it especially difficult when wanting to change tickets and dealing with the fees associated with it. It also makes it difficult to see fares from individual airlines. It would be easier to key in one code for all airports. For example, when I fly to Chicago, I can put CHI and have all access to flights/fares to ORD and MDW. Same with NYC and wAS.

I have found myself using Orbitz alot as it allows to check fares for airports within 50 miles. That is a nice feature.
 
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
Are there, or will ther be any flights to LGB, BUR, ONT, or Orange County, other than US LAX service?

The only California cities served are the following:

PIT-LAX (1x A319 and 1x A320)

PIT-SFO (1x A319)


I don't expect to see any other cities added!
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 29):
The only California cities served are the following:

PIT-LAX (1x A319 and 1x A320)

PIT-SFO (1x A319)


I don't expect to see any other cities added!

That's what I thought, although I believe there used to be 3 with SAN, which I believe ended not that long ago...
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
That's what I thought, although I believe there used to be 3 with SAN, which I believe ended not that long ago...

US flew PIT-SNA for a while with A319's. I think it ended around 2002. They added PHL-SNA for a short while, then dropped SNA altogether.
 
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting N670UW (Reply 31):
US flew PIT-SNA for a while with A319's. I think it ended around 2002. They added PHL-SNA for a short while, then dropped SNA altogether.

PIT-SNA ran for a long time and was 3x 752s for most of what I can remember.
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 32):
PIT-SNA ran for a long time and was 3x 752s for most of what I can remember

The first flight into the new PIT terminal on the morning of Oct 1st 1992 was a 752 from SAN. I remember seeing it on WTAE Channel 4... I remember there being a lot of fanfare with that, too. Then, later that day, I paid a visit to the new terminal as well  Smile
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
That's what I thought, although I believe there used to be 3 with SAN, which I believe ended not that long ago...

For the pat 3 years, PIT-SAN either hasn't been served, or has been seasonal 1x A319 service.
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RE: FL: FLL-ROC/PIT To Resume

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 29):
The only California cities served are the following:

PIT-LAX (1x A319 and 1x A320)

PIT-SFO (1x A319)


I don't expect to see any other cities added!



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
That's what I thought, although I believe there used to be 3 with SAN, which I believe ended not that long ago...



Quoting N670UW (Reply 31):
US flew PIT-SNA for a while with A319's. I think it ended around 2002.

At one point, USAir also served PIT-SMF nonstop.
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