MAH4546
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Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:34 am

As some might have been following, Air Madrid's planned start of Miami and Los Angeles this week did not go as planned. DOT permission was recieved later than hoped for (which is NM's fault more than anybody's, because DOT approval for Air Madrid, while practically guaranteed, was going to take at least four months), and too late to market and launch the flights in time for the winter timetable. Miami flights are tentatively now set to start in April 2007, but plans to fly to Los Angeles have been put on hold indefinitely. This actually can work out for their benefit because the Miami-Madrid route, unlike most Miami-Europe routes, is busiest during the summer months.

Air Madrid also plans to start flights to Asuncion, Santa Cruz de La Sierra, Sao Paulo, and possibly Medellin, in 2007.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:55 am

NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:13 pm

I was just wondering about this a day or two ago.. So there was about 5 airlines that were supposedly starting service to MIA this year and only AeroSur's has started.

On the other hand, Air Madrid's ugly white airplanes don't add any real excitement spotting-wise. No big loss Big grin
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 1):
NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.

On Tuesday, NM's flight to TLC had a 14 hour delay and most of the route network is suffering from delays thanks to two grounded aircraft. Headlines in Spanish newspaper appear every couple of days with angry passengers in MAD trying to take over NM's counter (kind of a war)... so I really don't think NM should be capable of start flying to new destinations when they can't run smooth operations on their current network!
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:46 pm

Hi Miamix!

Here in Spain, there are rumors about a possible demise of Air Madrid. If it could happen, I'm sorry for its workers which don't deserve a management with such low credibility. Specially I know people who work at the Air Madrid call center who are insulted every day. It's tremendously unfair see how the workers are paying the bad-tempered of the Air Madrid customers ...who on the other hand, and of course they're right but you don't get any solution on your problems using a hostile language against the person who answer you the phone.

Also, their twins is having problems also with the ETOPS subject (there is info about it in the Spanish Aviation Magazine "Avion Revue" in this Nov. 06 issue)
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:53 pm

I'm not sure they were ever too confident of starting LAX this fall anyhow, as they failed to apply for airport operating permits and leases which themselves can take a few months to complete.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 1):
NM is having a lot of problems with the Spanish Aviation Authority, (there is a 330 grounded in BCN) then I don't think they can go forward with its non-realistic americans plan.

Very right my friend, NM is probably going to cease operations before they even consider flying to MIA and LAX these days.

NM is in a really big mess and about 90% of their flights are on a 2 or more hour delay time because of several aircraft grounded. Not so long ago I heard that IYN, IYB, JMF, JIS and JQT were all grounded, SE-RBG repossed by Novair and the EMB-145 was not good either, leaving them with a CRJ-200, a A310 and an A333. IYN, IYB, JQT are back flying along with JTB and D-AILH leaving the A343 and another A333 grounded plus the EMB-145.

I have a friend in NM and I fell sorry for him, he has a lot of tough work and its treated like crap by NM, no human respect at all, time periods can be over 12hrs at times.

They were using 2X 763 and 1X L1011 from Euro Atlantic Airways and are now with only one 763 and L1011 operating the MAD-FOR-EZE route.

I also heard strong rumours of the Spain Aviation Authorities revoking their AOC soon.

I wouldn't be optimistic about them, what a shame another airline goes down the drain for bad management.

Tomas.

[Edited 2006-10-29 05:57:19]
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
On Tuesday, NM's flight to TLC had a 14 hour delay

...which is not so much in the NM's average, and this is not a joke.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Headlines in Spanish newspaper appear every couple of days with angry passengers in MAD trying to take over NM's counter (kind of a war)...


of which counter has a pane to avoid an aggression towards the NM's staff. It's funny as it is more similiar a shop window than an airline's counter.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:16 pm

So, EC-JMF, the former Aer Lingus A330 (EI-SHN) is still stuck in Barcelona? What is the problem with the acft; is it repairable or do they not have the funds to do so?

I guess at this stage, given their problems, they really should be looking at consolidating their existing network and getting their act together, before looking at other options.
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
So, EC-JMF, the former Aer Lingus A330 (EI-SHN) is still stuck in Barcelona? What is the problem with the acft; is it repairable or do they not have the funds to do so?

Didn't it belong to Air Algerie or some airline from Africa?
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 9):
Didn't it belong to Air Algerie or some airline from Africa?

Went from Aer Lingus to Air Algerie and then to Air Madrid.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 4):
Hi Miamix!

dimelo tio! welcome back in your new spirit  Smile

I've worked taking calls from "angry customers" before .. never again Big grin

I really feel sorry for the Air Madrid workers in the call center ouch!
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Air Madrid also plans to start flights to Asuncion, Santa Cruz de La Sierra, Sao Paulo, and possibly Medellin, in 2007.

Sao Paulo is already announced, to begin February 07, 2007 with 2x Weekly flights with A340-300.

NM1951 MAD 1600 GRU 2235 - Friday
NM1952 GRU 0030 MAD 1430 - Saturday

NM1921 MAD 2350 GRU 0625 (+1) - Tuesday
NM1922 GRU 1500 MAD 0500 (+1) - Wednesday

Just thinking, NM could extend the tuesday flight from Sao Paulo to ASU.

Felipe

[Edited 2006-10-29 17:42:50]
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Sao Paulo is already announced, to begin February 07, 2007 with 2x Weekly flights with A340-300.

Well hoping that EC-JIS is no longer grounded by then.

By the way any news on when the second A340-300 will arrive?
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:58 am

My niece will fly tomorrow from SJO to MAD with them.

I really hope that she will not have any trouble at all with NM.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:34 am

Air Madrid still had problems yesterday with an AOG and the delay of another one, two Air Memphis aircrafts were leased (SU-PBD, SU-PBE, both A320) for stranded passengers to TLC.

More info here (in Spanish):

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2006/10/28/madrid/1162048450.html
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 15):
Air Madrid still had problems yesterday

That's really sad.  Sad
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tomascubero
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 15):
Air Madrid still had problems yesterday with an AOG and the delay of another one, two Air Memphis aircrafts were leased (SU-PBD, SU-PBE, both A320) for stranded passengers to TLC.

Tha's ridiculous, 2 A320's to TLC, what route are they taking? This is insane, they couldn't even lease a single larger plane to move their pax from TLC.

Tomas.
 
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:34 am

remember a interview of an NM executive in a german aviation newspaper (Aero) some month ago were he was talking about plans to be soon a member of Star Alliance.....

this airline is just a joke.
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:05 am

I'm flying to MAD in December and I almost booked it with NM. Yet, the bad reviews I read everywhere over the web made me pick IB instead.

What a relief!  relieved 
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tomascubero
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RE: Air Madrid MIA/LAX Update

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
remember a interview of an NM executive in a german aviation newspaper (Aero) some month ago were he was talking about plans to be soon a member of Star Alliance.....

 rotfl  They could join the Chapter 11 Alliance, they offer a good deal for airlines like NM.

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