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Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:58 am

Delta took delivery of it's first 757 in 1985, that makes the oldest plane 21 years. Does anyone have any inside info. or opinion of how long Delta will keep the early build planes and when they will begin retirement of their oldest 757's? It is hard to believe they just reired their 727's and already retirement of it's first few 757's might be near.

Also, I wonder if the 727's were of better build and quality than the newer 757's. Does anyone have any info. on the maintenance cost of the 727 vs. 757? That would be an interesting comparison just like many feel MD aircraft were built better than Boeings.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:05 am

The 757s are here to stay for a while. Delta is installing new IFE, PSUs, and leather seat covers, which means that they are not going anywhere in the short term. The 737RS will likely include a 757 replacement model, and once it is announced, we will likely see an order from Delta. I personally think that the MD-88s and MD-90s will be retired before the 757.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:23 am

Delta's going to hold on to each and every 757 that they have in their fleet and could even acquire more of the type in the future if suitable airplanes become available......consider that DL recently signed up to lease ten ex-TW/AA 752s and could be interested in the remainder of the fleet.

Delta knows how to maintain its airplanes.....21 years old is nothing more than middle age for a well maitained airliner.....and the 752 is still one of the most effecient airplanes around. With DL re-allocating much of its widebody fleet to international flying, the 757s have a hugely important role in Delta's domestic fleet. And, we could see DL flying some 752s on transatlantic services in the near term future.

Delta rushed the 72S fleet into retirement as a response to the downturn in air traffic after 9/11......Delta, like other major airlines, was fighting to survive and had to cut capacity quickly. The 72S were the grounded mainly due to their 3 engine/ 3 man cockpit arrangment.......being that the 757s have 2 engines, 2 pilots and deliver outstanding operating costs, the 752s will remain in service for many years to come.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Rick (Thread starter):
Delta took delivery of it's first 757 in 1985, that makes the oldest plane 21 years. Does anyone have any inside info. or opinion of how long Delta will keep the early build planes and when they will begin retirement of their oldest 757's?

The earliest birds will begin to be retired toward the end of 2007 and in 2008.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
consider that DL recently signed up to lease ten ex-TW/AA 752s and could be interested in the remainder of the fleet.

DL is actually acquiring 13 ex TW/AA 752s having recently been able to sign on for another 3 aircraft.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:33 am

DL really isn't in a position where they can retire many more domestic mainline a/c right now.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:34 am

The 757 is awesome. I sure do miss the flights out of MDW on TZ's when I worked out that way. Of course, I seldom get to see DL's.

I have to agree that plane will be in DL ops for years to come, thank goodness. What a great rocket ship!

I guess better for me, the 757s will be in and out of ORD with AA, UA, NW and HP, plus whomever else wants to fly them in and out. Bring them on.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
The earliest birds will begin to be retired toward the end of 2007 and in 2008.

I was not aware of this......how will they be replaced??

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
DL is actually acquiring 13 ex TW/AA 752s having recently been able to sign on for another 3 aircraft.

I believe there are 4 more airplanes in the exTW/AA fleet.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
I was not aware of this......how will they be replaced??

By a combination of the new 757s and 738s on shorter legs. Some shorter 738 flying will be moved to longer flights and shorter 738 flights will be covered by a combination of MD88s and another aircraft.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
I believe there are 4 more airplanes in the exTW/AA fleet.

Not sure about that, but can tell you that Delta has now signed for a total of 13 of the birds.

[Edited 2006-10-29 01:16:44]
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
The earliest birds will begin to be retired toward the end of 2007 and in 2008.

 Wow!... How many birds do they plan on retiring?
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting Rick (Thread starter):
Delta took delivery of it's first 757 in 1985

Ship 602 was delivered 11/05/84 and ships 603-605 were also delivered in 1984.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:27 am

It's too bad Boeing didnt hold on to the 757 for another year. I think if the 757 was still around CO would have put in an order and maybe even NW by now. But, I bet Boeing asked around before shutting it down and nobody was interested. I figure CO, DL, NW and even US would want more 757s for international flying. Plus, on a domestic level I could see DL using some 757s to shore up CVG-Florida routes and then take those 738's and move them onto routes out of ATL that probably don't need quite a 757 (ATL-ONT comes to mind), freeing up more 757's for International and Domestic operations.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting LV (Reply 9):
It's too bad Boeing didnt hold on to the 757 for another year. I think if the 757 was still around CO would have put in an order and maybe even NW by now.

Unlikely.......no airlines wanted more 757s (and Boeing asked everyone several times around before closing down the line), airlines are simply using their 757s more effectively on routes where there is money to be made.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting LV (Reply 9):
I think if the 757 was still around CO would have put in an order and maybe even NW by now.

My understanding was that Boeing convinced CO to convert their last few 757 orders to 737NG (-900's, I guess).

If true, it suggests that a 737 provided more profit than a 757 (not surprising if the difference in production cost is greater than the difference in what people will pay for them), and Boeing decided to drop it's more capable but less profitable line and shoehorn everyone into 737s.

Sad, but understandable.

[edit] This is not to say that sales had not slowed down, but it seems like Boeing stopped the line at least a few frames short of when they had to. I guess at that rate they weren't economical to build any more.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 11):
My understanding was that Boeing convinced CO to convert their last few 757 orders to 737NG (-900's, I guess).

Almost correct.......CO originally ordered 15 753s.....the order was converted to 9 753s plus 6 738s. Its one of those things that made sense back when the decision was made, but I suspect that now CO would rather have the 753s.

Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 11):
This is not to say that sales had not slowed down, but it seems like Boeing stopped the line at least a few frames short of when they had to. I guess at that rate they weren't economical to build any more.

If the 757 was offered a bit longer, many suspect that NW would have ordered additional 753s....when NW ordered the 753 it was inteneded to be a DC10-40 replacement, flying US mainland domestic routes.....the idea to use it for West Coast-Hawaii services came much later.

Other than that, airlines really were no longer interested in new build 757s, most carriers were focused on the 737NG/A320 aircraft which could fly many of the routes handled by the 757.

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 12):
Ship 602 was delivered 11/05/84 and ships 603-605 were also delivered in 1984.

Its hard to believe that DL will retire these birds in the 2007 or 2008 with ""ONLY"" 23-24 years of service, as suggested by the posts above.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
DL is actually acquiring 13 ex TW/AA 752s having recently been able to sign on for another 3 aircraft.

Smart move, I guess these aircraft are not that battered up and are PW equipped like DL's fleet.

The 757 is a great plane and I wouldn't think DL would retire it soon, I just saw a couple of days ago ship 610 inside, I don't know if it has been refitted with the new gear but I did see PTV's on all the seats and nice blue leather seats, looked very comfy.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:44 pm

Since DL will become the world's largest operator of the 757 when the ex-TW ships are transferred from AA (which is now the world's largest 757 operator), it will take a very long time to replace the 757 even when something comparable is available. And right now, there is nothing comparable. The 739ER is nowhere near the airplane the 757 is.

While the ex-TW 757s are technically similar to DL's existing 757s, they are functionally new aircraft since they will be used for new over the water flying which DL has not done before rather that serve as replacements for DL's older 757s.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Rick (Thread starter):
Delta took delivery of it's first 757 in 1985, that makes the oldest plane 21 years. Does anyone have any inside info. or opinion of how long Delta will keep the early build planes and when they will begin retirement of their oldest 757's?

The first four 757s were delivered to Delta in 1984, all of these aircraft are still in service. Delta did lease 45 757-232s (many of them newer aircraft) to Song between 2003-2006 but they have been returned since Song ceased operations.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 9):
It's too bad Boeing didnt hold on to the 757 for another year.

Look on the bright side, you will likely fly on many more 757s for years to come. Almost every major airline in the US has a fleet of 757s.

I am more disappointed in Boeing's reluctance to market and continue production of the MD90/95 family. Obviously they wanted the airlines to buy the 737 NG, but you have to wonder how many sales were potentially lost to the A319 family, which could have been 717 sales, had they made an effort to market the aircraft and make improvements.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):


The earliest birds will begin to be retired toward the end of 2007 and in 2008.

Does this include 610? That's one of the oldest, but they've invested so much money into it...between the song IFE and the Breast Cancer livery....etc
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Rick (Thread starter):
That would be an interesting comparison just like many feel MD aircraft were built better than Boeings.

There are many people who want DL to keep flying the MD-88/90 platform longest since before the 1970s DL had almost an exclusive history of flying ONLY Douglas aircraft.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
The 757s are here to stay for a while. Delta is installing new IFE, PSUs, and leather seat covers, which means that they are not going anywhere in the short term. The 737RS will likely include a 757 replacement model, and once it is announced, we will likely see an order from Delta. I personally think that the MD-88s and MD-90s will be retired before the 757.

Very much agree with you especially the last sentence. Along with more 777s and a possible future 787 order, DL needs to look to unload their remaining Douglas heritage aircraft in the short term if they are to keep costs down and fleet commonality up.

Quoting LV (Reply 9):
It's too bad Boeing didn't hold on to the 757 for another year. I think if the 757 was still around CO would have put in an order and maybe even NW by now. But, I bet Boeing asked around before shutting it down and nobody was interested. I figure CO, DL, NW and even US would want more 757s for international flying. Plus, on a domestic level I could see DL using some 757s to shore up CVG-Florida routes and then take those 738's and move them onto routes out of ATL that probably don't need quite a 757 (ATL-ONT comes to mind), freeing up more 757's for International and Domestic operations.

Looking at the market for used 752s in particular it is easy to draw such a conclusion, and I've even felt that way at times. The 752 is a highly versatile a/c, and is perfect for the trans-con between a large hub like ATL and a smaller focus operation on an opposite coast like say PDX, or SLC to virtually any sizable focus operation back east from there.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
DL is actually acquiring 13 ex TW/AA 752s having recently been able to sign on for another 3 aircraft.

They need more of these for SLC and west coast operations to Hawaii where the 764ER was overkill (SLC-KOA, OGG) as well as to use some to try NYC-JFK service to some of the more moderately sized Europe markets where a 763ER is overkill.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Delta's going to hold on to each and every 757 that they have in their fleet and could even acquire more of the type in the future if suitable airplanes become available......consider that DL recently signed up to lease ten ex-TW/AA 752s and could be interested in the remainder of the fleet.
Delta knows how to maintain its airplanes.....21 years old is nothing more than middle age for a well maintained airliner.....and the 752 is still one of the most efficient airplanes around. With DL re-allocating much of its widebody fleet to international flying, the 757s have a hugely important role in Delta's domestic fleet. And, we could see DL flying some 752s on transatlantic services in the near term future.

I think DL will hang onto even their oldest 752's until at least 2010 when Boeing might at least have a comparable replacement a/c officially in the production pipeline. If they start unloading their oldest 752s next year, then it will most likely be due to someone like FedEx (keep in mind FedEx has made it known they are VERY interested in used 757s) or UPS making them an offer they can't refuse.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 17):
I am more disappointed in Boeing's reluctance to market and continue production of the MD90/95 family. Obviously they wanted the airlines to buy the 737 NG, but you have to wonder how many sales were potentially lost to the A319 family, which could have been 717 sales, had they made an effort to market the aircraft and make improvements.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 16):
Delta did lease 45 757-232s (many of them newer aircraft) to Song between 2003-2006 but they have been returned since Song ceased operations.

Song was not a separate entity. It was still DL reg with DL ship numbers and ownership it just was flying in Song livery and layout. Delta Air Lines Inc. d/b/a Song Airlines
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 19):
They need more of these for SLC and west coast operations to Hawaii where the 764ER was overkill (SLC-KOA, OGG) as well as to use some to try NYC-JFK service to some of the more moderately sized Europe markets where a 763ER is overkill.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:26 am

I just realized that American currently has 143 757s and Delta has 121. If we take 13 of theirs we'll have 134 to their 130. Delta will operate the largest fleet in the world of my favorite airliner! That is if they don't retire some as has been suggested they will.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:35 am

DL still trying to aquire 757's. I remember hearing something about them trying to get some 757's from TWA and AA. It only makes sense to retire the old ones.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:43 am

Alitalia744
SLCUT777s comment does make some sense (as much as I agree with you on many other subjects).

Delta is looking to maximize its flexibility on the Atlantic (777, 764, 763, 752), the addition of the TW 752s will help them do that. Now, having said all of this, IF there are some 757s in DLs fleet that are costing them a mint to maintain, there is an argument for retiring some of those aircraft. I don't know if DL plans to put winglets on their 757s; but its been my opinion for a while now that if DL, with its improved onboard product on that aircraft starts operating them across the Atlantic on some of the thinner markets where the 763 is too big, they will have a winning product. The 738s can be flown transcon, no problem as well as be used on short haul flying with reasonable economics.

However, and as I've always maintained, my crystal ball is as murky as the next guy's. I just have a little bit of airline planning experience under my belt...which probably makes me even more dangerous as an armchair route planner.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 24):
SLCUT777s comment does make some sense (as much as I agree with you on many other subjects).

It makes sense, however the plan is in place for the beginning of the retirement of the earliest birds in the fleet.

That being said, both you and I and a lot of other's on this site know that was is planned today may not be the same as what's in store tomorrow.

So, for now, let's all enjoy the 757s! They're wonderful birds, on one Tuesday from JFK-LAX and looking forward to every bit of it. Now, if only my upgrade cleared in advance, I'd have been even better  Wink
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:49 am

A little off-subject..but not much.

I have noticed on DLs web-site the 757 seat maps now show 22 seats. They have always been 24 in the past. If this change has happened..why?? and what did they put where the 2 seats replaced were located?
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:53 am

Alitalia744: Amen.

ExNWA: DL has three 757 configurations (one is Song), one is a "standard" configuration and the other is a "transcon" configuration. Why? I have no clue. Maybe some of our DL employee contributors can answer that for us.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 23):
DL still trying to aquire 757's. I remember hearing something about them trying to get some 757's from TWA and AA

Yes....I believe that was actually mentioned in reply 2 and 3 of this very thread!  Smile
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Ex NWA (Reply 26):
I have noticed on DLs web-site the 757 seat maps now show 22 seats. They have always been 24 in the past. If this change has happened..why??

We've had a few seating configurations even before Song came along. The 22 seat F class config is on ships 6901-6904. The difference is because we acquired them from another airline (which one escapes me right now). These are oddballs in many ways. Up until recently they flew around with 2 extra main wheel assemblies in the forward bag bin. They had steel brakes where as the rest of our 57s had carbon brakes. The rims are different so it was deemed prudent to carry spares rather than stock an extra type wheel at all 57 stations. They finally converted the brakes to carbon units in light of rising fuel costs.

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 27):
ExNWA: DL has three 757 configurations (one is Song), one is a "standard" configuration and the other is a "transcon" configuration. Why? I have no clue. Maybe some of our DL employee contributors can answer that for us.

Actually there are more than three. The config I noted above and the 3 you've stated. This will go back down to three when the Song aircraft are finished being converted. As to why DL has the different configs, well they have introduced the trans con for the long haul routes because it works well for that type of flight. The standard has served well on domestic so there is little incentive for them to change that. The 22 seat F class config actually allows for more seats in coach and has 183 seats total vs 180 for our standard. Not much incentive to standardize that IMO. We will see yet another seat configuration when the TWA 757s are integrated into the fleet. All I can say is that generally different uses warrant different seat configs. Minor configuration differences are a mild nuisance if that and there is virtually no priority to change them.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:01 am

DL has always been much more tolerant of different seating configurations than other airlines. All you do is pre-assign the common seats and then keep the unique seats for gate assignment and you are fine. Even if there is a last minute equipment change, DL and most other airlines have sophisticated programs that reassign seats very quickly. Since no one has advance boarding passes (more than 24 hrs) and DL boards using bar coded scanners that catch any changes to a reservation, there is little harm in changing aircraft.

I wasn't aware ofthe difference in the rims but knew that some DL aircraft carried a spare parts kit to/from some cities.

Remember that part of the reason to decide on retiring some of the aircraft is because leases are all being renegotiated. It is possible to keep an aircraft longer than the original lease term but DL is also looking at the cost of overhauls vs. what the cost of acquiring new aircraft that will not require overhauls for several years.

Remember that about half of DL's fleet is owned so there is a benefit only in getting rid of leased aircraft as part of the reorganization process. Owned aircraft may b disposed of but the BK process favors getting rid of leased aircraft first. Wise companies start selling off airplanes toward the end of their life cycle and then leasing them back so there is some flexibility in adjusting the fleet size as business conditions change.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 28):
Yes....I believe that was actually mentioned in reply 2 and 3 of this very thread!  Smile

Put those two replies together and you get his! (reply 2, reply 3 = reply 23....oops! got caught with cheap humor  embarrassed  )



On a more serious note, DL will keep their 757s as long as they can. They play a huge role when it comes to domestic longhaul and international. Hint the reason they took the EX-TW/AA 757s. IF they were to retire them earlier, i doubt that the 738s could pick up the ENTIRE slack of the 757s.



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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:41 am

DL mx is very good. DL could keep their 757's for 30yrs and not retire one.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 32):
DL mx is very good. DL could keep their 757's for 30yrs and not retire one.

Delta maintenance is great. And they could proabably keep the 757s flying for 50 years. The question is at what point do the costs of maintaining an old airplane outweigh the revenues that can be brought in by that airplane. Simply keeping them flying is not the issue.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 19):
Do you really think Boeing had the ability to continue to improve a DC-9 offshoot any further? I think the whole 737NG program is to make Boeing more competitive with the Airbus A320 platform. I don't think Boeing could ever make a design originating back in the mid-1960s competitive with design that came in the late 1980s.
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I disagree, if the merger was really a merger and not a takeover then who's to say the MD and Boeing designers could not have worked together to improve the design? If you're argument is that the design originated in the 1960's, well guess what, so did the 737! If you look at the aircraft specs and performance the MD-90 is pretty comparable to the other NG narrow bodies. Furthermore, the 717 would have been a nice competitor towards the A318/19 family, had Boeing chose to market it.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 34):
If you're argument is that the design originated in the 1960's, well guess what, so did the 737!

And which one has sold more a/c over the years and why?

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 34):
if the merger was really a merger and not a takeover then who's to say the MD and Boeing designers could not have worked together to improve the design?

I will have to assert that it was more of a takeover and to get at McDonnell-Douglas' lucrative military contracts. MD hadn't done much in the new plane design market other than rehash over the DC-9 and DC-10 as and they were at the end of their rope financially speaking in commercial aircraft, much the way Lockheed was a few years earlier.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 34):
If you look at the aircraft specs and performance the MD-90 is pretty comparable to the other NG narrow bodies.

Than why did DL end up going more in the direction of the 738? They only ended up procuring 16 MD-90s as I recall. And how many 738s do they now have, with how many options and rolling options?

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 34):
Furthermore, the 717 would have been a nice competitor towards the A318/19 family, had Boeing chose to market it.

I think the best Boeing could do was re-badge it as the 717. Notice what the used a/c market is for these when compared to the 733. DL found themselves in strength with Wells Fargo Bank with their leases in Bankruptcy court since there was no way the bank could get the $$$ that was owed them on these a/c in the used market to break even let alone come out ahead. It's like a used Ford vs. a Toyota, what would you pick? What does the Kelly Blue Book or NADA Yellow Guide tell you to pick $$$ wise?

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 23):
DL still trying to acquire 757's. I remember hearing something about them trying to get some 757's from TWA and AA. It only makes sense to retire the old ones.
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If these first 752 ships have become hanger queens for DL and they can get the angle on some additional exTWA 752s from AA then I can understand that, and they can probably get more $$$ from FedEx for them since the later is chomping at the bit to convert increasing numbers of used 752s into freighter versions.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 35):
If you're argument is that the design originated in the 1960's, well guess what, so did the 737!

The MD-80 series sold somewhere around 1,500 aircraft, thats not peanuts. To this day AA has 305 MD-82/83, I don't think any airline has ever had that many 737's or A-320's.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 35):
Than why did DL end up going more in the direction of the 738? They only ended up procuring 16 MD-90s as I recall. And how many 738s do they now have, with how many options and rolling options?

Because Boeing announced they would cease production by 1998. Delta would have had to order them all in one big bulk if they wanted a large number. The 100+ MD88s were spread out over a seven year period. Do you think it is a coincedence the first 738 was delivered shortly after MD-90 production was halted? We'll never know how well it would have sold if MD had continued production and evolved the -30ER and -50 models.

In general, some of us just prefer the MD-80/90 to the 737 and visa versa.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:15 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 36):
In general, some of us just prefer the MD-80/90 to the 737 and visa versa.

Sorry, but they will be the next narrow bodies to make a mass exodus from DL's fleet I will predict. They'll be long gone before there is any mass exodus of the 752s or 738s. The economics just aren't there to support these any longer, even though the fleet age for the MD-88s is roughly the same for what it is for the 752s.
I should also point out that the 752 and 738 can effectively operate out of SLC, whereas the MD-88 has all sorts of limitations there, hence the reason you see virtually all of the MD-90s in SLC.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 29):
The 22 seat F class config is on ships 6901-6904. The difference is because we acquired them from another airline (which one escapes me right now).

These are the ex-SQ/ATA birds. The F cabin on these are actually fantastic - seats with legrests and extra pitch. They are used primarily for 'northern'-South America and Central America routes (BOG, UIO, GYE, SJO, etc.) but do make occasional guest appearances on some domestic legs. As a result, the seat maps for regular (non-Song-converted) 2-class 757s show 22 seats just in case one of these birds is assigned to the domestic routes.

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 31):
On a more serious note, DL will keep their 757s as long as they can. They play a huge role when it comes to domestic longhaul and international. Hint the reason they took the EX-TW/AA 757s. IF they were to retire them earlier, i doubt that the 738s could pick up the ENTIRE slack of the 757s.

I don't think anyone is saying that DL will replace their 757s en masse in the near future. However, DL execs have publicly said in some interviews that a few of the older 757s will be retired in the next few years.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 38):
I don't think anyone is saying that DL will replace their 757s en masse in the near future. However, DL execs have publicly said in some interviews that a few of the older 757s will be retired in the next few years.

Which is all the more reason for them to acquire as many of the newer 752s from the former TWA fleet now held by AA. Hence I can only speculate they are trying to go beyond the 10 they've already a signed lease in hand for starting in 2007 and they are trying to get perhaps even the remainder before FedEx snarfs them up and converts them.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 39):
before FedEx snarfs them up and converts them.

I have nothing to base this on except my gut feeling, but I will bet FedEx ends up buying RR powered 757s.
 
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 40):
I have nothing to base this on except my gut feeling, but I will bet FedEx ends up buying RR powered 757s.

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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 40):
I have nothing to base this on except my gut feeling, but I will bet FedEx ends up buying RR powered 757s.

If that is the case, then DL can pretty much run the table on the ex-TWA 752s. But if FedEx wants RR powered 752s, they'll have to compete with Canadian charter carrier Skyservice (Signature, Sunquest Vacations) to get them since they go after that engine type.
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RE: Delta's 757's

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 41):
what you flying these days?

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